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What does it mean to forgive?

It has been said that forgiveness is for those who have no power. We hear of people forgiving someone who murders, who commits some really bad deed. Does this mean that the person who committed the act will go unpunished? If so, will that not embolden the perpetrator to do the same again at some other time?
 
Glowpun said:
What does it mean to forgive?

It has been said that forgiveness is for those who have no power. We hear of people forgiving someone who murders, who commits some really bad deed. Does this mean that the person who committed the act will go unpunished? If so, will that not embolden the perpetrator to do the same again at some other time?
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Forgiveness is not for THEIR benefit, it is for your own.

Of course, simply forgiving someone who has no regrets about what they have done isn't going to suddenly change them into a "good person."

However, it does lift the stains of hatred and revenge from your own spirit. This will allow you to properly focus on both your grief at your loss, and your eventual recovery from that loss in order to continue life with a positive, fulfilling outlook.

It is a bonus if the person you forgive turns a new leaf in part because of your honest ability to forgive.

NOTE: Forgiveness does not mean forgetting your loss, or having to avoid precautions to ensure both your safety and the safety of those you care for.
 
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Forgive: To let go of the trauma with your heart, for what ever reason but normally after one gets enough of hate and this obsession with trauma that they learn that this victim culture BS stewing in the trauma and worshiping the victims is idiotic, because it gets in the way of both growth and quality of life.

Forgiveness is a stage of healing, about the last actually.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Forgiveness is not for THEIR benefit, it is for your own.

Of course, simply forgiving someone who has no regrets about what they have done isn't going to suddenly change them into a "good person."

However, it does lift the stains of hatred and revenge from your own spirit. This will allow you to properly focus on both your grief at your loss, and your eventual recovery from that loss in order to continue life with a positive, fulfilling outlook.

It is a bonus if the person you forgive turns a new leaf in part because of your honest ability to forgive.

NOTE: Forgiveness does not mean forgetting your loss, or having to avoid precautions to ensure both your safety and the safety of those you care for.
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I was going to comment at length, but I see there is no need. :)
 
Glowpun said:
What does it mean to forgive?

It has been said that forgiveness is for those who have no power. We hear of people forgiving someone who murders, who commits some really bad deed. Does this mean that the person who committed the act will go unpunished? If so, will that not embolden the perpetrator to do the same again at some other time?
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The basis of forgiveness is this.

to act as if it never happened.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Forgiveness is not for THEIR benefit, it is for your own.
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Forgiveness is a pardon from judgment granted by the only One in authority - God. I would take the position that God's forgiveness of our sins is not self-serving for His own benefit, but is an act of grace and mercy by "the great love with which He loved us" upon a person who does not deserve such a gift. Christ was judged in our place and paid the penalty for sin on the cross.

Since God alone is to judge, convict, and punish, scripture teaches us that only God can forgive. Therefore, when we speak of forgiving others we are simply relinquishing control to God and agreeing that He is Sovereign and Lord. We will hold no judgment against another because we have received grace and mercy, and as a result we pray for grace and mercy for all others knowing that we have been forgiven by the very same grace.

Forgiveness is of God alone and cannot be extended to another apart from God.
 
ludin said:
The basis of forgiveness is this.

to act as if it never happened.
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I would disagree. In fact I would say that is the basis of nothingness. The act of forgiveness is the ultimate act of regaining control after a violation is occurred. The ultimate end result of forgiveness is the development of strength and personal growth.
 
Schism said:
Forgiveness is a pardon from judgment granted by the only One in authority - God. I would take the position that God's forgiveness of our sins is not self-serving for His own benefit, but is an act of grace and mercy by "the great love with which He loved us" upon a person who does not deserve such a gift. Christ was judged in our place and paid the penalty for sin on the cross.

Since God alone is to judge, convict, and punish, scripture teaches us that only God can forgive. Therefore, when we speak of forgiving others we are simply relinquishing control to God and agreeing that He is Sovereign and Lord. We will hold no judgment against another because we have received grace and mercy, and as a result we pray for grace and mercy for all others knowing that we have been forgiven by the very same grace.

Forgiveness is of God alone and cannot be extended to another apart from God.
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Since you have introduced God into the equation, then you would surely acknowledge that God recognizes the need for individuals to forgive.

Our personal belief systems define the forgiveness process.
 
VanceMack said:
I would disagree. In fact I would say that is the basis of nothingness. The act of forgiveness is the ultimate act of regaining control after a violation is occurred. The ultimate end result of forgiveness is the development of strength and personal growth.
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he is faithful and just to forgive us all unrighteousness.

The act of forgiveness is to wipe out a supposed debt.
no matter what that debt maybe.

the basis of forgiveness is acting as if it never occurred.
otherwise you didn't really forgive the person.

For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his steadfast love toward those who fear him;
12as far as the east is from the west,
so far does he remove our transgressions from us.
 
ludin said:
he is faithful and just to forgive us all unrighteousness.

The act of forgiveness is to wipe out a supposed debt.
no matter what that debt maybe.

the basis of forgiveness is acting as if it never occurred.
otherwise you didn't really forgive the person.

For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his steadfast love toward those who fear him;
12as far as the east is from the west,
so far does he remove our transgressions from us.
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How do you experience trauma and go forth as if nothing ever happened? Would you not be better served by growing through the experience? Would not your forgiveness better be sealed as an act of unconditional love towards the perpetrator?
 
VanceMack said:
Since you have introduced God into the equation, then you would surely acknowledge that God recognizes the need for individuals to forgive.
Our personal belief systems define the forgiveness process.
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We forgive because He has forgiven us of much. in other words, we take no accounting of transgressions but rather defer to God.

VanceMack said:
How do you experience trauma and go forth as if nothing ever happened? Would you not be better served by growing through the experience? Would not your forgiveness better be sealed as an act of unconditional love towards the perpetrator?
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That's a fruit that God produces in us. It's not our doing, but God working in and through us.
 
Glowpun said:
What does it mean to forgive?

It has been said that forgiveness is for those who have no power. We hear of people forgiving someone who murders, who commits some really bad deed. Does this mean that the person who committed the act will go unpunished? If so, will that not embolden the perpetrator to do the same again at some other time?
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In Judaism we forgive because it is what God explicitly commands. (Leviticus 19:17-18). The Talmud wrestles with the question of whether we must forgive all who seek our pardon and the answer is that we must. However, no one can force you to pardon your fellow man, not even God. Sins against God can be forgiven by him alone; Sins against man can be forgiven by man alone.*

*A clarification is necessary here. God can forgive you of the actual sin, but not your transgression against man.
 
Glowpun said:
What does it mean to forgive?

It has been said that forgiveness is for those who have no power. We hear of people forgiving someone who murders, who commits some really bad deed. Does this mean that the person who committed the act will go unpunished? If so, will that not embolden the perpetrator to do the same again at some other time?
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To forgive means that you personally will not impose consequences on another who has offended or wronged you. In my opinion we only have the right to forgive the offense or wrong done to us. We have no right to forgive an offense or wrong done to somebody else.

To the second part of your comment, I would say that sometimes it is okay and appropriate to forgive. And sometimes it is more appropriate to exercise tough love and impose appropriate consequences for the unacceptable actions of another or not protect somebody from the consequences of their choices or actions.
 
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