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Clothed With the Sun, Moon Under Her Feet

laska said:
This is Pratt's calendar spreadsheet. You can put in dates and see what date is on the sacred calendars such as the Hebrew, Enoch, Venus, etc, whether it falls on a holy day etc. You may find certain calendars that your family is tied to. I have no doubt God is using these calendars to schedule sacred events. Calendar Spreadsheet

In regards to Sept 23, 2017 sign, I personally think something significant is going to happen, likely on Passover 2018. It may or may not be known to the world, just as the two previous fulfillment of the signs, the birth of Christ, and the official birth of The church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was not headline news to the world but profoundly significant dates in the history of the world that really matters in regards to the salvation of mankind throughout the eternities. If the 1832 sign heralded the coming of the ecclesiastical kingdom of God, maybe the 2017 one is heralding the political kingdom? I don't know, but given it is on the Feast of Trumpets I'm personally taking it as a call to repentance and trying to focus more on eternal things.
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If nothing happens significant on either Sept 23 2017, or Passover 2018, would you admit that Pratt does not know what he is talking about?
 
RAMOSS said:
If nothing happens significant on either Sept 23 2017, or Passover 2018, would you admit that Pratt does not know what he is talking about?
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Nope, as I implied it may be unknown to the world at the time. I have my personal reasons to believing in Pratt's research.
 
thinkagain said:
This is not about disagreement. This is about closing eyes, ears, mouth, nose and any other orifice that might let the bad news in.

Such a denial/avoidance reaction is common with people who are under cult indoctrination when they come across ideas or information that conflicts with cult doctrine.
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Be careful what you say. My wife was a Wiccan Witch.
 
Feast of Trumpets 2 BC-heralding the coming birth of Christ. Passover evening April 5, 1 BC, birth of Christ

Feast of Trumpets 1832-heralding birth of the kingdom of God in Zion(America). Passover April 6, 1833-The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints official.

Feast of Trumpets 2017-


At this time The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is not really official in the nation of Israel. No missions, no stakes. The LDS goes into a nation invited and in the front door legally.


Isaiah 2:3

"And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."
 
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All three Passover dates I believe are restoration dates. Key.
 
*2 BC sign heralds the coming of the Kingdom of God in the birth of Christ on Passover 1 BC.
*Shortly after birth of Christ the dragon tries to kill the child and the baby Jesus and His family have to flee into the wilderness into Egypt to escape Herod's edict.
*Two witnesses seal their testimony of the restoration with their blood: John the Baptist and Jesus. Fulfills Bible law that truth established through two witnesses and sealing of testimony with the blood of the testators sanctifies it.
*Daniel prophecy of 70 weeks until Messiah and end of sin taken from the beginning date of the command to rebuild Jerusalem(3 Apr 458 bc) gives the exact martyrdom date to the day on the Enoch calendar of Jesus on Fri 1 Apr 33 AD.


*1832 AD sign heralds the coming of the Kingdom of God in the birth of Christ's Church on Passover 1833 AD-The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints.
*Later in 1833 the Church had to flee the mobs intent on exterminating it from the face of the earth and had to flee into the wilderness to a place God had prepared for her safety.
*Two witnesses seal their testimony of the restoration with their blood: Hyrum and Joseph
*Daniel prophecy of 2300 days until sanctuary(Church) will be cleansed from the beginning date of the command to rebuild Jerusalem(3 Apr 458 BC) gives the year of the martyrdom of Hyrum and Joseph in 1844 AD. The sanctuary(temple) was cleansed in ancient Israel on the Day of Atonement when a goat and a bull(bull is symbolic of the tribe of Joseph) were sacrificed by the high priest and their blood was sprinkled on the mercy seat. Hyrum and Joseph was martyred on June 27, 1844 AD, on the Summer Day of Atonement on the Hebrew Calendar, one of four Day of Atonement's on the ancient Hebrew calendar on the 10th day of the four season marking months.

The climax of the Book of Daniel is Daniel by the power of God interpreting the King of Babylon's dream. The interpretation being in the last days that God would set up His Kingdom on the earth and that it will last forever while all other earthly kingdoms will fall and come to an end. The restoration of the Kingdom of God is the primary theme of the book. And Daniel saw the two restorations of the Kingdom of God that the Rev Ch 12 sign prophecies of in Passover 1 BC and Passover 1833 AD and gives the dates of the martyrdom of the prophets of those two restorations.


Now we have a third "woman clothed with the sun moon under her feet with a crown of 12 stars on her head giving birth with dragon waiting to pounce" sign on the Feast of Trumpets on Sept 23, 2017. After pondering the meaning of the date for about a month in a half after reading Pratt's article, I woke up in the very early morning hours of Christmas Eve, 2016 and inspiration struck.
 
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[FONT="][CENTER][B][I]"The prophecy of a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet may refer to rare celestial signs of the Feast of Trumpets in 2 BC, 1832, and 2017, which herald the future birth of her son.[/I][/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/CENTER][COLOR=#000000][FONT="]This article looks in detail at the prophecy in the Book of Revelation about a woman who gives birth to a son who will rule all nations with an iron rod. After a discussion of it referring to actual configurations of heavenly bodies in the skies, three interpretations are presented. In every case the sign occurs on the Hebrew Feast of Trumpets in the autumn. The first is that it could refer to the birth of Jesus Christ. Second, the possibility that it refers to the birth of the Kingdom of God is presented, along with supporting evidence. Finally, a prediction getting some attention promoted primarily by several Christian ministers that the sign will be fulfilled in 2017 is discussed. It is suggested that all three could be correct and actually implied by the prophecy."...
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See the context:

Revelation 12 said:
And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2 she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery. 3 And another portent appeared in heaven; behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems upon his heads. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, that he might devour her child when she brought it forth; 5 she brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which to be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
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It's Mary. The crown of 12 stars is possibly a reference to the 12 tribes of Israel. The child is Jesus, who rules the nations.

The woman fled to the wilderness: remember the flight to Egypt?
 
phattonez said:
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It's Mary. The crown of 12 stars is possibly a reference to the 12 tribes of Israel. The child is Jesus, who rules the nations.

The woman fled to the wilderness: remember the flight to Egypt?
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Have you read Pratt's article in the OP and my posts in this thread particularly my last post?
 
laska said:
Have you read Pratt's article in the OP and my posts in this thread particularly my last post?
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No, since I don't really buy the interpretation that the Apocalypse is predicting the future, at least not as is commonly understood. For this section, the interpretation that I provided is far more plausible.
 
phattonez said:
No, since I don't really buy the interpretation that the Apocalypse is predicting the future, at least not as is commonly understood. For this section, the interpretation that I provided is far more plausible.
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How do you know my interpretation if you haven't read the article in the OP and my posts. If you had you would know I am not saying "the apocalypse is predicting the future" whatever that means, and your interpretation is part of what both Pratt and i am saying. It captures the first time the astronomical sign has occurred on the Feast of Trumpets in 2 BC that heralded the birth of Christ on Passover 1 BC. Christ being born on the earth equates to the Kingdom of God being born on the earth. The sign happened a second time on the feast of trumpets in 1832, and it heralded the birth of the ecclesiastical Kingdom of God on Passover 1833 in the birth of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And now we have a third time coming up in a spectacular occurrence of the sign on Sept 23, 2017.
 
laska said:
How do you know my interpretation if you haven't read the article in the OP and my posts. If you had you would know I am not saying "the apocalypse is predicting the future" whatever that means, and your interpretation is part of what both Pratt and i am saying. It captures the first time the astronomical sign has occurred on the Feast of Trumpets in 2 BC that heralded the birth of Christ on Passover 1 BC. Christ being born on the earth equates to the Kingdom of God being born on the earth. The sign happened a second time on the feast of trumpets in 1832, and it heralded the birth of the ecclesiastical Kingdom of God on Passover 1833 in the birth of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And now we have a third time coming up in a spectacular occurrence of the sign on Sept 23, 2017.
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Interestingly enough I can find no other reference to this sign, because it's so poorly defined. How can I look up to see that it never happened between the dates of, but supposedly did happen on the dates of 2BC and in 1832? So how can I look this up for myself to see, according to the phrase, when the stars line up?

In fact, this sounds like the work of an amateur, since as he put it, "After the 1832 fulfillment date was discovered in my work just last month"
 
laska said:
"7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7)

"20 ¶And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the Lord your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper." (2 Chronicles 20:20)

How do you know the true or false prophets? Prayer and personal revelation.

"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." (James 1:5)

The above verse inspired a 14 yo boy in 1820 to pray and ask God which was the true church. And because of his great faith in those verses he received an answer. Heavenly Father and Christ visited him and he was told none of them were true, to join none of them.

The same principle is given in the end of the Book of Mormon:

"4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. I believe If Joseph Smith saw a vision, it was either demonic or totally of his own invention for his own "glorification".

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things." (Moroni 10:4)
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The Mormons are mixing up the Old Testament pre Christ scriptures with the post Christ death, burial, and resurrection New Testament Scriptures. "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." (James 1:5) This is not limited to some "prophet".
 
LittleNipper said:
The Mormons are mixing up the Old Testament pre Christ scriptures with the post Christ death, burial, and resurrection New Testament Scriptures. "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." (James 1:5) This is not limited to some "prophet".
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Mormons believe both the Old and New Testaments are the word of God. Adam and all of the patriarchs and true prophets of the OT were believers in Christ and had the exact same religion as Christ. Jesus quoted from the OT. The LDS believe James 1:5 is for anyone, and is the proper way to find the truth. It is what inspired the young Joseph to pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and have his prayer answered.
 
laska said:
Mormons believe both the Old and New Testaments are the word of God. Adam and all of the patriarchs and true prophets of the OT were believers in Christ and had the exact same religion as Christ. Jesus quoted from the OT. The LDS believe James 1:5 is for anyone, and is the proper way to find the truth. It is what inspired the young Joseph to pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and have his prayer answered.
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Christ fulfilled the LAW of the Old Testament. Christians are not under the threats of the LAW. The Mormons seem to be a combination of Judaizers and Mason/Shriner secret societies. Attending a Methodist church during the Great Awakening should have inspired Mr. Smith to pray.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Christ fulfilled the LAW of the Old Testament. Christians are not under the threats of the LAW. The Mormons seem to be a combination of Judaizers and Mason/Shriner secret societies. Attending a Methodist church during the Great Awakening should have inspired Mr. Smith to pray.
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You don't understand LDS theology.
 
phattonez said:
Interestingly enough I can find no other reference to this sign, because it's so poorly defined. How can I look up to see that it never happened between the dates of, but supposedly did happen on the dates of 2BC and in 1832? So how can I look this up for myself to see, according to the phrase, when the stars line up?

In fact, this sounds like the work of an amateur, since as he put it, "After the 1832 fulfillment date was discovered in my work just last month"
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All you have to do is google something like woman clothed with sun or rev ch 12 and see lots of material on it. To verify the sign has only occurred on Feast of Trumpets twice the last 2019 years you'll have to find someone with the software and have a knowledge of what to look for. Astronomers have software that can tell you the position of the planets, moon, and suns on any given day. I know Pratt has specialized software for that and you'll likely find no one more uniquely qualified to know this info. He has a calendar spreadsheet online that you can type in any date on our Gregorian calendar and it will show you the date on several sacred calendars and will highlight if its a holy day on the calendar.

The astronomer John Pratt is likely the leading person in the world on knowledge of the sacred calendars and has been doing research on them for decades. His bio is degrees in Physics from university of Utah and phd in Astronomy from the University of Arizona, career as rocket scientist for the Air Force, has several software patents, and taught Astronomy at University. He is the man on this type of stuff. I I have no idea why you would equate him stating he didn't come to the knowledge of the sign occurring on feast of trumpets 1832 until just a month previous to being amateur. He may have never thought of looking for the sign on all Feast of Trumpets until then. The key to unlocking the dates of the prophecy in Rev Ch 12 is to figure out when the sign occurs on the Feast of Trumpets. Once you figure out the Feast of Trumpets is the key to the Book of Revelations, and it certainly has Feast of Trumpets imagery throughout, you can solve the dates of other prophecies such as Rev 14:6-7- the angel Moroni delivered the gold plates to the latter day Joseph on the Feast of Trumpets 1827. So if you were looking for in the last days an angel to restore the everlasting gospel to the inhabitants of the earth on the Feast of Trumpets, the coming forth of the Book of Mormon fits perfectly. And what do Jewish tradition say in regards to the Feast of Trumpets? It is tied to a new revelation for Israel and the gathering of Israel. And Ezekiel speaks of in the last days the Lord using the stick of Judah(Bible) and the stick of Ephraim(Book of Mormon) to do just that. It all fits perfect.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Christ fulfilled the LAW of the Old Testament. Christians are not under the threats of the LAW. The Mormons seem to be a combination of Judaizers and Mason/Shriner secret societies. Attending a Methodist church during the Great Awakening should have inspired Mr. Smith to pray.
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Here is what the LDS believe: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/law-of-moses?lang=eng


Adam and many others such as Enoch, Noah, Abraham, etc had the higher law. The Law of Moses was instituted in Moses time because of disobedience by Israel and was a preparatory gospel and Christ fulfilled it. I am thankful Joseph did the wise thing and prayed and received revelation and found out all the Christian sects were false, and that through him God restored Christ's true Church.
 
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Synchronicity as a sign. Lots of little things that add up.
 
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