God's Foreknowledge And His Predestination Of Events Do Not Void Free Will:
The crucifixion of the Lord Jesus was the most evil/sinful act in history. And it
was foreknown and foreordained:
Note the following points from those verses up there:
Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel
in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed. They did
what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen. Acts 4:27-28
This man was handed over to you by Godís deliberate plan and foreknowledge;
and you, with the help of wicked men,put him to death by nailing him to the cross.
Acts 2: 23
♦ The wicked men who killed the Lord Jesus did exactly what God "decided beforehand" that
they would do.
♦ The Lord Jesus was handed over to these wicked men by "God's deliberate plan."
♦ The men who murdered the Lord Jesus are correctly described as "wicked men."
♦ We know from other Scripture verses that God will hold them accountable for
doing precisely what He had predestined them to do.
♦ How can God do that? Because these men chose to do their murder using their
Free Will. There was no outside-of-them power that was FORCING them to choose
to murder the Lord Jesus.
♦ The Sovereign God fulfilled His Plan, that "His Christ should suffer" and the wicked
"The things which God foreshowed by the mouth of all the prophets, that
His Christ should suffer, He thus fulfilled," Acts 3:18
men who carried out His Plan, did so in total freedom of will.
♦ And God declared them to be "wicked men" and we know from other Bible verses
they will be held accountable for their choice to murder the Lord Jesus.
♦ They were guilty men, the men who in total Free Will chose to do exactly what God's
"For they that dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers because they knew Him not, nor
the voice of the prophets which are read every Sabbath, fulfilled them in condemning
Him. And though they found no cause of death in Him, yet they asked Pilate
that He should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all things that were written
of Him, they took Him down from the tree, and laid Him in a tomb," Acts 13:27-29.
Plan had predicted they would do.
There were other events that were a part of God's Plan relating to the crucifixion of the
Lord Jesus and wicked men fulfilled these specific items that God predicted hundreds
of years before they were born, that they would sinfully choose to do.
I will list some of them in the next post.
And not only the crucifixion itself was foreordained by the Plan of God,
but many of the surrounding events were also predicted hundreds of
years BEFORE the wicked men carried out God's Plan:
♦ the parting of Christ's garments and the casting of lots for His vesture
(Ps. 22:18; John 19:24)
♦ the giving of gall and vinegar to drink (Ps. 69:21; Matt. 27:34; John 19:29)
♦ the mockery on the part of the people (Ps. 22:6-8; Matt. 27:39);
♦ the fact that they associated Him with thieves (Is. 53:12; Matt. 27:38)
♦ that none of His bones were to be broken (Ps. 34:20; John 19:36)
♦ the spear thrust (Zech. 12:10; John 19:34-37)
Sayeth Dr. Lorraine Boettner:
"Listen to the babble of hell around the cross, and tell us if those men were
Yet read all the forecast and prophecy and record of the tragedy and tell us if every
incident of it was not ordained of God!
Furthermore, these events could not have been predicted in detail by the
Old Testament prophets centuries before they came to pass unless they
had been absolutely certain in the foreordained plan of God.
Yet while foreordained, they were carried out by agents who were ignorant of who
Christ really was, and who were also ignorant of the fact that they were fulfilling
the divine decrees, Acts 13:27, 29; 3:17.
Hence if we swallow the camel in believing that the most sinful event in all history
was in the foreordained plan of God, and that it was overruled for the redemption
of the world . . .
. . . shall we strain at the gnat in refusing to believe that the smaller events of our
daily lives are also in that plan, and that they are designed for good purposes?"
__Dr. Loraine Boettner
Dr. Boettner's quote can be found HERE
Next, none of Dr Boettner's opinions address the issues with compatabilism that are brought forth by the incompatablists.
Appealing to 'prophecy' is a rather poor claim too. A lot of those claims for prophecy is not prophecy at all (psalm 22 in particular), but rather was used as a literary device to make things seem 'mysterious'. The NT authors like to misuse Jewish scriptures by mistransation and using them out of context was quite common.
Incompatibilism is the view that a deterministic universe is completely at odds with the notion that persons have a free will; that there is a dichotomy between determinism and free will where philosophers must choose one or the other. This view is pursued in at least three ways: libertarians deny that the universe is deterministic, the hard determinists deny that any free will exists, and pessimistic incompatibilists (hard indeterminists) deny both that the universe is determined and that free will exists. Some of these incompatibilistic views have more trouble than the others in dealing with the standard argument against free will.
For example, let's look at the artscroll translation of Zech 12:10
Nothing about spears there, but swords, yes. That is mistranslation, and out of context as it's worse.Zechariah - Chapter 12 - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible
10And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son.
Next, even if the 'prophecies' were accurate, and actual prophecies, that does nothing to address 'perfect' foreknowledge. and determinism.
Knee-jerk anti-government sentiment is not a viable political philosophy.
♦ We have for a long-time been here: You post what you want to post and
I post what I want to post. That means long ago we left the point of serious
and meaningful discussion.
♦ I seriously doubt we would agree on the color of a red apple. But that's not
a problem. This is the Internet and that's to be expected on the Internet.
♦ May the Force be with you, etc.
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