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God does answer Prayers and He is never late. [W:28]

notquiteright said:
So what does my voluntarily posting have to do with this?

I'm not anti-religious, or a bigot, just marvel at the times when folks give God credit for something when thousands of other perish- from innocent children to little old church going ladies.
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(1 Thess. 5:16-18).

Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.
If you need another verse Romans 8:28-29.

Yep we die that is a part of life.

I'm a bit confused- the company is paying mad money but it took this pay raise to finance a new car? :confused:
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it pays good money and we are a single income family.
my student loans eat up a huge chunk of my pay check but I was blessed with a job
that I can pay them.

Top IT company- didn't know there was such an animal these days- my wife does IT work- started as a junior programmer and is now a BA. She just ended a BA job and will be starting a Developer/programmer job for hard into 6 figures. We have been through tough times and fun times... didn't really think Divine Intervention had much to do with our lives.
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you can choose to ignore that. it is your choice. You should feel blessed and should be thankful. compared to the billions of other people in the world
you live in a country that provides that opportunity.

now my take- 10 years same 'wonderful' top IT company that merged and pushed off a promotion, but still 4 pay raises that gives you 'mad' money but thank God you got this last pay raise because you need a new vehicle- but now you got that promotion after a two year wait that your manager had to push for...
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I never sad mad money. but you can continue to distort what I said. we also lost 20k a year or so when the store my wife worked for closed.

it seems more like a company finally realized it should reward a long service employee (so few spend a decade at the same IT business- most workers are very mobile) and green lighted the promotion.

not knocking Christianity at all- just how it is used from time to time... :peace
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yes you are and I simply called you out on it.
yes peace no one forces you to read the religious threads.
 
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If you want to have a debate about whether or not people should believe that their prayers can be answered, then take it to another section. You are free to have that debate there without penalty. This section isn't for debating and arguing whether or not the notion of a god can or can not exist or questioning the very notion of faith. If a poster wants to continue to derail the thread in this direction then points and a removal will be coming. Thank you for understanding.
 
ludin said:
Nope not at all. I already thanked my managers, but God's timing is perfect in every way.
He does deserve the credit.
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I suspect you thanked God privately too. In this thread though, you're crediting God entirely and exclusively, even as you spoke of the time and effort your managers committed to you. I bet that when the merger delayed the process, you attributed that entirely to the people involved and not to God at all.

I just think it would actually be better (and arguably more Christian) to celebrate and encourage the element choosing to go above and beyond to help other people. A casual reader could take from your OP that it wasn't worth the managers putting in all the effort since God was going to make the promotion work for you anyway.
 
HonestJoe said:
I suspect you thanked God privately too. In this thread though, you're crediting God entirely and exclusively, even as you spoke of the time and effort your managers committed to you. I bet that when the merger delayed the process, you attributed that entirely to the people involved and not to God at all.

I just think it would actually be better (and arguably more Christian) to celebrate and encourage the element choosing to go above and beyond to help other people. A casual reader could take from your OP that it wasn't worth the managers putting in all the effort since God was going to make the promotion work for you anyway.
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you need to read more. I already thanked my manager, but even still all praise belongs to Him.

God is never late and he reminds me of this time and time again.
 
You know what I find funny.

You mention God's grace and mercy and answered prayer and all the negative nancy's show up in an poor
attempt to diminish the blessing.

The fact is that it just adds to my testimony that God will meet the needs of his people and will
bless the faithful. For he blesses the faithful and wicked alike.

What they don't understand is God's plan came at the right time. Either I was going to move to a different department
or I was going to get a promotion in my current department.

where one door closed another door opened.
 
ludin said:
My promotion finally came through. My managers have been trying to 2 years to get me
promoted to the next level. Last year it got scuttled due to a corporate merger.
Finally yesterday I found out that my promotion went through.

came with a nice pay raise that I need as our van is on it's last leg and
we are going to have to bite the bullet and get another car next year.
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You don't think its odd that the Creator, the master of all of existence, would take the time to dabble in the mechanics of your promotion? Don't get me wrong I don't begrudge you your promotion, but I've always found the idea that God personally intervenes in our daily affairs to be grotesque on a number of levels.
 
Sherman123 said:
You don't think its odd that the Creator, the master of all of existence, would take the time to dabble in the mechanics of your promotion? Don't get me wrong I don't begrudge you your promotion, but I've always found the idea that God personally intervenes in our daily affairs to be grotesque on a number of levels.
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matthew6
26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
 
ludin said:
matthew6
26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
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1. That isn't how I'd interpret those passages.

2. I don't accept the gospels as valid biblical texts.

3. It wouldn't change the underlying grotesque implications.
 
Sherman123 said:
1. That isn't how I'd interpret those passages.

2. I don't accept the gospels as valid biblical texts.

3. It wouldn't change the underlying grotesque implications.
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1. that is exactly how you interpret those passages because that is the context in which Christ is talking.
2. then don't post in the religious forum if you don't like bible verses.
3. their is no grotesque implication since you evidently don't understand the bible verses.
 
ludin said:
1. that is exactly how you interpret those passages because that is the context in which Christ is talking.
2. then don't post in the religious forum if you don't like bible verses.
3. their is no grotesque implication since you evidently don't understand the bible verses.
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1. That is your interpretation, I would see them differently.
2. Those are only one set of religious scriptures, not everyone who frequents the religious subforum is Christian. By saying that I don't believe it is a valid biblical text I mean that because of this I don't find it persuasive on a precedential level.
3. There is a grotesque implication in the belief that God interferes in whether or not someone gets a promotion. It means the Creator of All took the time to assist someone with their 9-5 but chooses to do nothing about the concentration camps, famines, and other oceans of blood being spilled around the world. I find the implication to be grotesque and the belief to be a vulgar smear on the divine. I also, and no offense is meant by this, but I also find it to be a childish conception of god.
 
Sherman123 said:
1. That is your interpretation, I would see them differently.
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I don't care. you can look up any biblical study you want they will all tell you the same thing.
God cares and looks after His Children and will meet their needs.

2. Those are only one set of religious scriptures, not everyone who frequents the religious subforum is Christian. By saying that I don't believe it is a valid biblical text I mean that because of this I don't find it persuasive on a precedential level.
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We are discussing the bible so I don't care. you don't like it don't come here.

3. There is a grotesque implication in the belief that God interferes in whether or not someone gets a promotion. It means the Creator of All took the time to assist someone with their 9-5 but chooses to do nothing about the concentration camps, famines, and other oceans of blood being spilled around the world. I find the implication to be grotesque and the belief to be a vulgar smear on the divine. I also, and no offense is meant by this, but I also find it to be a childish conception of god.
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He did do things about those. he provided the US military to stop it.
He provided the care and assistance that those people would need in their time of trouble.

If he cares enough for the flowers to bloom and the birds to eat how much more does he care about His creation.
your god might not answer prayer but my God does answer the prayers of His people and He hears their voice.
 
ludin said:
I don't care. you can look up any biblical study you want they will all tell you the same thing.
God cares and looks after His Children and will meet their needs.



We are discussing the bible so I don't care. you don't like it don't come here.



He did do things about those. he provided the US military to stop it.
He provided the care and assistance that those people would need in their time of trouble.

If he cares enough for the flowers to bloom and the birds to eat how much more does he care about His creation.
your god might not answer prayer but my God does answer the prayers of His people and He hears their voice.
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1. There are hordes of schools of theological thought which and biblical interpretation which support my views, you don't have a monopoly on that. Which is why I think its more productive to discuss the third point.

2. I don't believe the books you call the New Testament are a part of the Bible. If anything I think they are heretical, so as an argument from textual authority I wouldn't find it convincing.

3. So he provided indirectly for the elimination of these ills by allowing the US military to come into being but he took the time to intervene directly in a promotion for a job? Instead of just answering the prayers of those in the killing fields? You don't find that a bit absurd?

Furthermore I do not think that God personally wills the floors to bloom or the birds to eat. Nor do I think that the Torah actually indicates that he does.
 
Sherman123 said:
1. There are hordes of schools of theological thought which and biblical interpretation which support my views, you don't have a monopoly on that. Which is why I think its more productive to discuss the third point.
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since you have yet to provide anything of what they mean I will take it that you don't know.

2. I don't believe the books you call the New Testament are a part of the Bible. If anything I think they are heretical, so as an argument from textual authority I wouldn't find it convincing.
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then don't post in this thread. the New Testament is part of the bible.

3. So he provided indirectly for the elimination of these ills by allowing the US military to come into being but he took the time to intervene directly in a promotion for a job? Instead of just answering the prayers of those in the killing fields? You don't find that a bit absurd?
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What God does or how He does it is not up for me to decide.

Furthermore I do not think that God personally wills the floors to bloom or the birds to eat. Nor do I think that the Torah actually indicates that he does.
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that is not my problem that is yours.
If you have actually read anything in the torah God answered the prayers of individuals all the time.
so why would he not answer mine?

you just countered your entire argument with that right there.
 
ludin said:
since you have yet to provide anything of what they mean I will take it that you don't know.



then don't post in this thread. the New Testament is part of the bible.



What God does or how He does it is not up for me to decide.



that is not my problem that is yours.
If you have actually read anything in the torah God answered the prayers of individuals all the time.
so why would he not answer mine?

you just countered your entire argument with that right there.
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1. That the line isn't referring to literally clothing anyone. That it is referring to spiritually succor.

2. The New Testament is part of the bible in your opinion, not in mine or others. The thread isn't limited to just Christians.

3. So you don't find there to be anything offputting or dissonant about the idea that God intervened to give someone a promotion but evidently failed to answer the prayers of untold millions of victims of murder, rape, and torture? Furthermore it also obliterates free will because if he intervened to secure the promotion then it means he orchestrated, compelled, or diverted the actions of others to accomplish it.

Yes God answers the prayers of his chosen prophets and acts collectively on behalf of his chosen people on occasion, but these are extraordinary events and hardly routine. Rabbis will warn any Jew who is becoming a soldier not to assume that he or she is subject to the same protections which clothed Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. To take cover, to obey training, to follow the rules.

I think that the number of circumstances and moments in which God intervenes physically in the Universe must be limited, unique, and extraordinary. He certainly doesn't tear through the fabric of reality and warp our collective free will so that someone can get a promotion.
 
answers make come........but in God's good time............


and sometime we get what we ask for...........


and then sorry we asked
 
Sherman123 said:
1. That the line isn't referring to literally clothing anyone. That it is referring to spiritually succor.
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Then you are not reading the passage in full context because it is actually talking about both. which proves you don't know.

2. The New Testament is part of the bible in your opinion, not in mine or others. The thread isn't limited to just Christians.
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no this thread is started by me. therefore it isn't my opinion it is part of the bible.
if you don't like it don't post in it you are free to leave at any time.

3. So you don't find there to be anything offputting or dissonant about the idea that God intervened to give someone a promotion but evidently failed to answer the prayers of untold millions of victims of murder, rape, and torture? Furthermore it also obliterates free will because if he intervened to secure the promotion then it means he orchestrated, compelled, or diverted the actions of others to accomplish it.
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You mean the same God that made Israel wonder in the desert for 40 years killing off 3 generations? You mean the same God that allowed Israel to
be conquered and then saved and then conquered again and saved?

it doesn't obliterate free will at all.

Yes God answers the prayers of his chosen prophets and acts collectively on behalf of his chosen people on occasion, but these are extraordinary events and hardly routine. Rabbis will warn any Jew who is becoming a soldier not to assume that he or she is subject to the same protections which clothed Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. To take cover, to obey training, to follow the rules.
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Abraham wasn't a prophet, Isaac wasn't either, neither was David, Neither was Ruth or Ester.
Neither was Joshua. so once again you shoot your own argument down.

I think that the number of circumstances and moments in which God intervenes physically in the Universe must be limited, unique, and extraordinary. He certainly doesn't tear through the fabric of reality and warp our collective free will so that someone can get a promotion.
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He met a need for me and my family and I am giving Him thanks.
sorry you don't like it that is not my problem but that is your problem.

So I will sing his praise and give him the glory.
 
Always remember. God helps those who help themselves. Thanking God is a good way to acknowledge this. Congratulations on the promotion.
 
ludin said:
that is your opinion not mine. you are free to not partake of in a religious thread if you don't want to.
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And you, apparently, are free to be as snarky as you want.
It's not 'critical of religion' to disagree that God intervenes directly in everyone's lives. It's a valid point of discussion.
 
TheGoverness said:
I'm not criticising your religion; I'm simply stating my opinion.

But whatever, I'll dip if I'm being a nuisance.
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The problem isn't with you being a nuisance, it's with someone who thinks that being critical of their beliefs equals being critical of religion.
 
ludin said:
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That's great and I'm happy for you, but IMO who you really should be thanking is your managers who helped you get the promotion. God didn't do that, they did. And your own hard work helped you get that promotion as well, don't sell yourself short.

I can thank whoever I would like and for me God did provide.
He is the provider and protector and this isn't the first time I have had
a great need for my family and God has come through and provided.

The store my wife worked for was getting ready to close.
a year before that happened I got promoted to the position I have now.

a few months before she was going to have to leave (she was kept on to help close the store)
the company said I wasn't making enough compared to other people and I received a huge
salary increase.

God is good and all the time and all the time God is good.
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That's all fine and dandy but you're 'way out of line telling someone she shouldn't be posting here because she disagrees with you. Lots of religious people don't believe that God acts directly in their lives and it's not for you to say they can't express their beliefs because they differ from yours.
 
Grand Mal said:
And you, apparently, are free to be as snarky as you want.
It's not 'critical of religion' to disagree that God intervenes directly in everyone's lives. It's a valid point of discussion.
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I never said he does it in everyone's lives but he has done it in mine.
on many occasions he has intervened in my life.

sometimes good sometimes tests of faith.

I am not being snarky at all.
simply telling the truth.

I am not forcing anyone to comment in this thread.
 
ludin said:
My promotion finally came through. My managers have been trying to 2 years to get me
promoted to the next level. Last year it got scuttled due to a corporate merger.
Finally yesterday I found out that my promotion went through.

came with a nice pay raise that I need as our van is on it's last leg and
we are going to have to bite the bullet and get another car next year.
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Thank God, then, for Him having made you worthy of promotion.
 
Grand Mal said:
That's all fine and dandy but you're 'way out of line telling someone she shouldn't be posting here because she disagrees with you. Lots of religious people don't believe that God acts directly in their lives and it's not for you to say they can't express their beliefs because they differ from yours.
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It doesn't matter what they believe now does it.
There is biblical evidence and proof that God intervenes in peoples lives all the time.

from Abraham to the disciples themselves. to Paul and others.
Even still today he intervenes in peoples lives.

maybe not directly but directly.

PS you are not a mod but you can read the mod warning on the last page if you wish.
 
Moving right along and back to the topic....
 
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