Demographics and Divine Command

RAMOSS said:

For one, we have evidence and examples. We have the example of Easter island.

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Local areas can temporarily have a higher population than it can sustain. That's not what I'm arguing. What I'm saying is that on a global scale we do not currently, nor do we have the fear of in the near future, being overpopulated. Technological advances constantly extend any theoretical maximum population that the planet can support.

Does poverty exist at the local scale. Absolutely! But we have to differentiate overpopulation and poverty. These are different issues. Most of Africa is miserably poor, but their population densities are minuscule compared to Asia or even Europe. Their problem is poverty, not overpopulation.

What has kept it at bay so far is advances in technology, and the ability to tap into resources such as the aquifer, using that technology. We are using those resources at a much higher rate than they are being replenished, and there is no practical technological solution to replace or replenish those resources. Those are facts. Now, you might speculate that technological advances will overtake that.. but that is making unreasonable assumptions.

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Why is that unreasonable? This is exactly why overpopulation theorists have been wrong for centuries. They assume that technological advances cannot solve the problems, but they always do.

for example, this is an article about the Midwest aquifers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ow-long-before-the-midwest-runs-out-of-water/

It makes a prediction. The prediction is quite possibly in the lifetime of people alive today (only 25 years).. If this hypothesis is correct, there should be a decrease in food productivity in that area around 2040 to 2070 (you can bet with man's shortsightedness, it will be close to 2040 than 2070). It has data, it has something that physically can be measured, and from that data and what can physically be measured, it can make predictions to test the model.

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But then, as I've said, we can bring more water if necessary. It's not as if there is a GLOBAL water shortage. In a local area sure, droughts happen. But if it becomes a long term problem, water can be moved over long distances.

phattonez said:

Local areas can temporarily have a higher population than it can sustain. That's not what I'm arguing. What I'm saying is that on a global scale we do not currently, nor do we have the fear of in the near future, being overpopulated. Technological advances constantly extend any theoretical maximum population that the planet can support.

Does poverty exist at the local scale. Absolutely! But we have to differentiate overpopulation and poverty. These are different issues. Most of Africa is miserably poor, but their population densities are minuscule compared to Asia or even Europe. Their problem is poverty, not overpopulation.



Why is that unreasonable? This is exactly why overpopulation theorists have been wrong for centuries. They assume that technological advances cannot solve the problems, but they always do.



But then, as I've said, we can bring more water if necessary. It's not as if there is a GLOBAL water shortage. In a local area sure, droughts happen. But if it becomes a long term problem, water can be moved over long distances.

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Except, well, you are incorrect. That is a global phenomena. The pattern is repeating itself all over the world. I was just giving one specific example.

The reason for that command is that the death rate of that culture was huge. between war, disease, etc ... it was very easy to kill
off a population in no time. there was a need to make as many people as possible.

I think it was a few years ago Austrailia had a huge decline in population as well. they went on a campaign of have 2 for yourselves
and 1 for the government. they saw a huge increase in their population numbers.

having a declining birth rate is not a good thing in many cases. it means that there are possible gaps in generations.

RAMOSS said:

Except, well, you are incorrect. That is a global phenomena. The pattern is repeating itself all over the world. I was just giving one specific example.

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You gave one specific LOCAL example. As I've been stressing, there can be resource shortages at the local level. No one has ever doubted that. What we're talking about is global overpopulation. If there is a local resource shortage, resources can be diverted or people can migrate. Local problems are not the issue at hand here.

phattonez said:

You gave one specific LOCAL example. As I've been stressing, there can be resource shortages at the local level. No one has ever doubted that. What we're talking about is global overpopulation. If there is a local resource shortage, resources can be diverted or people can migrate. Local problems are not the issue at hand here.

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Yes, I gave one local example. That doesn't mean it isn't a global phenomena. Now, the specific example I give covers the entire mid west, and a lot of the food production in the united states. A similar situation is happening in both California and Florida.

The main problem I see is that it's likely going to cause conflict, unrest and war, because the population in that region of the world that still holds the most power and wealth is decreasing, while those regions that do not have, in many cases, a sharply increasing population.

Looks like it's only a matter of time until this results in some kind of big bang.

Perhaps we already see the beginning of it, with all the trouble with Muslims and massively increasing streams of immigrants.

RAMOSS said:

Yes, I gave one local example. That doesn't mean it isn't a global phenomena.

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Given that there is flooding and that rain water is dumepd into the ocean in other parts of the world, it assuredly is not a global phenomenon.

Now, the specific example I give covers the entire mid west, and a lot of the food production in the united states. A similar situation is happening in both California and Florida.

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And again we have other regions that have too much water. It's not as if there is a global water shortage.

I have a question... Is the word 'Divine' in The Holy Bible? Could you share a verse?