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Pork

Harry Guerrilla said:
Priest is generally the word that Catholics use.
Preacher/Minister is the more proper term for people of Protestant Christian faiths (Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, etc).

They are generally equivalent.
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I get it ,thx harry.
 
I think the truth is that Christianity began in a society that wasn't pig focused. They adopted traditional rules about pigs from Judaism. When Christianity moved to Europe, however, the rules changed because society was heavily pig focused. I don't think it is much more complicated than that.
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, Christrians aren't ancient hebrews anyway. However, it isn't the disease aspect that probably drove the prohibition against pork. The factor that I favor to be the most likely reason is that the early Jews were nomadic sheep herders, and to raise pigs you have to settle down. If they ate pork, they would be likely to want to raise pigs, and that would 'split the tribe'. It's more of a motivation of keeping the culture together (at the time the prohibition was chosen). Of course, after that, it became a matter of tradition.
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Nice theory but that doesnt account for the forbidding of blood in meat (or the forbidden mix of meat and dairy) as far as kosher laws go so I still believe it had a lot to do with ancient sanitary techniques when it came to preparing food which eventually became religious tradition.
 
PoS said:
Nice theory but that doesnt account for the forbidding of blood in meat (or the forbidden mix of meat and dairy) as far as kosher laws go so I still believe it had a lot to do with ancient sanitary techniques when it came to preparing food which eventually became religious tradition.
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Well, blood was considered 'Life', and there a lot of sensativity when it comes to blood and life. As for the forbidden mix of meat and dairy, one of the feasts of baal had as a traditional meal as veal boiled in milk. Therefore, by making that forbidden, it was a method for stopping the temptation of going to a competing religion. Same thing with at least one of the passages that are 'lie with man as with a woman', because a competing religion had fertility rites that had that as a religious practice.
 
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Acts 10 and 15. Christians were released from observance of Judaic dietary and ceremonial laws, under Grace.


Paul, later, strongly suggests not offending those who keep to the dietary restrictions by doing it in their face however.
 
I like how he talks about how cows eat healthy, clean grass. I wonder if he has ever seen our current mega farms and what cows are actually fed.
 
Goshin said:
Acts 10 and 15. Christians were released from observance of Judaic dietary and ceremonial laws, under Grace.


Paul, later, strongly suggests not offending those who keep to the dietary restrictions by doing it in their face however.
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And is said in Matthew (15:11), it's not what goes into your mouth but, rather, what comes out of your mouth that defiles you.
 
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Goshin said:
Acts 10 and 15. Christians were released from observance of Judaic dietary and ceremonial laws, under Grace.


Paul, later, strongly suggests not offending those who keep to the dietary restrictions by doing it in their face however.
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Well he probably tasted those Southern smoked pork butts.
He couldn't help himself. :2razz:
 
Medusa said:
I found an interesting video about pork and wonder what christian posters think about it.

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Jews and muslims do not eat pork for a reason, that actually goes back thousands of years.

In ancient times priests and other holy leaders of any religion were often the most educated in society. So those priests were chosen to determine what food was safe to eat and what was not. They were the fda of their times, but in nearly all ancient religions, pork and shellfish were banned by religious leaders as unclean..

This was because before modern cooking knowledge, both pork and shellfish carried alot of bacteria and parasites, and no religious leader then would ever approve such meats. Those traditions carry on today in older abrahamic religions and islam.
 
RAMOSS said:
Well, blood was considered 'Life', and there a lot of sensativity when it comes to blood and life. As for the forbidden mix of meat and dairy, one of the feasts of baal had as a traditional meal as veal boiled in milk. Therefore, by making that forbidden, it was a method for stopping the temptation of going to a competing religion. Same thing with at least one of the passages that are 'lie with man as with a woman', because a competing religion had fertility rites that had that as a religious practice.
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So they wrote an entire set of laws to discourage eating one dish? Sounds iffy to me. That theory doesnt explain why it was also forbidden to use the same utensils for diary and meat. The ancient peoples of the world were not dumb, they had a rudimentary knowledge of how disease was spread and it reflected on the foods they were allowed to eat under guise of religious laws.
 
PoS said:
So they wrote an entire set of laws to discourage eating one dish? Sounds iffy to me. That theory doesnt explain why it was also forbidden to use the same utensils for diary and meat. The ancient peoples of the world were not dumb, they had a rudimentary knowledge of how disease was spread and it reflected on the foods they were allowed to eat under guise of religious laws.
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The whole utensils I think are the taking things to an extreme (IMO). However, Uncle Murry had the corner on the silverware business..and he made a booming profit, and gave a nice bribe to the rabbis .

In all seriousness though, the sharing of the utensils is NOT in the Torah, but rather was decided upon by the rabbi's when trying to figure out HOW to follow the commandment. It is very ritualistic, and by the ritual, it is to try to bond the people together in shared ritual.
 
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The mitzvot are divided into three categories: mishpatim, eidot, and chukim. Mishpatim, which are the majority of the Torah, are rational and can be understood by applying logic, while Eidot are those laws which we might not have invented without the Torah but which after consideration can be rationalized with the application of logic. The last category are Chukim which are the 'irrational' commandments in that they are fundamentally indecipherable to logic, even if reasons can be advanced for their existence they still, at their core, are irrational. The most famous example of a chukim are the laws surrounding the sacrifice of the Red Heifer, but the laws of kashrut are generally included here as well. There are reams of dietary laws, some of them can be partially explained on sanitary grounds, but in the main they are illogical.

So why is it forbidden to eat pork? Because it is.
 
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