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Adam, Eve, and belly buttons

maquiscat

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Mods, if this belongs further down, feel free to move it. This seems the right place to put this though.

so seeing this:
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It suddenly occurred to me. If God has planned humans to breed from the start, why wouldn't he have also "sculpted" in a belly button on them when he created them? Why would anyone assume that He'd forget such a detail, simply because they were not born, but created grown? This question uses the presumption of the Adam/Eve creation being a true event, even if details are lacking. I do not assert this to be so but simply based the discussion off that premise.
 
maquiscat said:
Mods, if this belongs further down, feel free to move it. This seems the right place to put this though.

so seeing this:

It suddenly occurred to me. If God has planned humans to breed from the start, why wouldn't he have also "sculpted" in a belly button on them when he created them? Why would anyone assume that He'd forget such a detail, simply because they were not born, but created grown? This question uses the presumption of the Adam/Eve creation being a true event, even if details are lacking. I do not assert this to be so but simply based the discussion off that premise.
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This is seriously the stuff you spend your time thinking about? Lol.
 
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countryboy said:
This is seriously the stuff you spend your time thinking about? Lol.
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It's not like I spent a lot of time on it. I did say it just popped into my head upon seeing the picture. But there are those out there who would argue over this point. It will be interesting to see how many will show up here. Slug! Stop hogging all the popcorn!
 
maquiscat said:
It's not like I spent a lot of time on it. I did say it just popped into my head upon seeing the picture. But there are those out there who would argue over this point. It will be interesting to see how many will show up here. Slug! Stop hogging all the popcorn!
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You realize artistic renditions of Adam and Eve may not be anatomically correct, right? :mrgreen:
 
maquiscat said:
Mods, if this belongs further down, feel free to move it. This seems the right place to put this though.

so seeing this:

It suddenly occurred to me. If God has planned humans to breed from the start, why wouldn't he have also "sculpted" in a belly button on them when he created them? Why would anyone assume that He'd forget such a detail, simply because they were not born, but created grown? This question uses the presumption of the Adam/Eve creation being a true event, even if details are lacking. I do not assert this to be so but simply based the discussion off that premise.
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It seems to me that if one wanted replicable DNA, then a bellybutton would be required. They had to have DNA as that is the blueprint for the species, eh?
 
DaveFagan said:
It seems to me that if one wanted replicable DNA, then a bellybutton would be required. They had to have DNA as that is the blueprint for the species, eh?
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Sorry but that is bad logic. The belly button is nothing more than a scar from the umbilical cord. So it is possible, on the assumption of Adam and Eve being created and not born, for them to have the genetic blueprints that allowed her to develop the child in the womb and give birth, resulting in the belly button, without the original two having said scar.
 
Ahhhh, I am so glad that my belief system does not entail wondering about such things. Actually because it does not, that just might be excuse enough to ruminate upon it.

I don't even know if Adam and Eve existed. Neither does anyone else. The good thing for me is, my personal salvation and my eternal existence does not depend upon my belief.

My higher power couldn't care less.

I love that.

Life is good.

Cheers.
 
maquiscat said:
It's not like I spent a lot of time on it. I did say it just popped into my head upon seeing the picture. But there are those out there who would argue over this point. It will be interesting to see how many will show up here. Slug! Stop hogging all the popcorn!
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The picture (actually a painting) was based on the models available to the artist - obviously Adam and Eve were not readily available to pose for it. ;)

Some even believe that Adam was short one rib. What I wonder about is how many "others" were created. If all people descended from Adam and Eve then who were the others that Cain was banished to live among after he killed his brother Abel?
 
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Didn't God create Adam and Eve in his own image? If so, perhaps God has a belly button.
 
Um... this kind of literalism really defeats the deeper meaning of the Bible. No offense.
 
_Sal said:
Ahhhh, I am so glad that my belief system does not entail wondering about such things. Actually because it does not, that just might be excuse enough to ruminate upon it.

I don't even know if Adam and Eve existed. Neither does anyone else. The good thing for me is, my personal salvation and my eternal existence does not depend upon my belief.

My higher power couldn't care less.

I love that.

Life is good.

Cheers.
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I am not too worried about most of the OT stuff. But I find it fun to note and contemplate various aspects most other Christians don't think of. Such as how either God had to have created other humans after Adam and Eve, or the world initially populated through incest. There is no other way for it to work, and it's amazing how many never even think about it.
 
Northern Light said:
Um... this kind of literalism really defeats the deeper meaning of the Bible. No offense.
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You mean the same literalism that has people claiming that the earth is only about 6,000 years old?

Added: Also I note how you dismiss the Torah in this. After all the OT and the Torah are of common origin (I believe that the Torah has books that the Bible's OT doesn't, but I am not positive). So does this type of literalism defeat the deeper meaning of the Torah as well, or only the Bible?
 
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You mean the same literalism that has people claiming that the earth is only about 6,000 years old?
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Pretty much, or interpreting every detail down to some factual account. The art of allegory is lost on some people I guess.

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Added: Also I note how you dismiss the Torah in this. After all the OT and the Torah are of common origin (I believe that the Torah has books that the Bible's OT doesn't, but I am not positive). So does this type of literalism defeat the deeper meaning of the Torah as well, or only the Bible?
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I'm not sure why you're trying to look for a double-meaning in what I said. The Torah wasn't even on my mind when I wrote that.

But yes I think taking every word of any scriptural document as 100% historical fact is completely folly. I don't even do that when I'm reading actual modern history books, so why would I do it when I'm reading a religious text?
 
maquiscat said:
I am not too worried about most of the OT stuff. But I find it fun to note and contemplate various aspects most other Christians don't think of. Such as how either God had to have created other humans after Adam and Eve, or the world initially populated through incest. There is no other way for it to work, and it's amazing how many never even think about it.
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Haven't read the book for years....well, decades actually but if I recall correctly it is discussed by some character in East of Eden....it opened my eyes.
 
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We should ask His mom ... oh wait.
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Not exactly an improper thought. According to a Mormon I was friends with, there are those that believe that we are literally children of God, and as such we "grow up" to start universes of our own. Which might lend some credence to the multiverse theory.
 
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Not exactly an improper thought. According to a Mormon I was friends with, there are those that believe that we are literally children of God, and as such we "grow up" to start universes of our own. Which might lend some credence to the multiverse theory.
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True - good Mormon men get their own planets. And, Mormon women are forever pregnant. I think the gals got the short end of that stick.
 
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True - good Mormon men get their own planets. And, Mormon women are forever pregnant. I think the gals got the short end of that stick.
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2 Questions.

1. How Pregnant?
2. Do they ever actually give birth?

I know more than a few women who would gladly live forever early second trimester pregnant. No periods to deal with, no longer getting morning sick, have a valid excuse to eat as much of whatever they want, can blame any embarrassing emotional outbursts on something relating to pregnancy, are not uncomfortably big, can park in the pregnancy parking spots, and have no problems getting personal space on elevators or other normally confined spaces.
 
maquiscat said:
Mods, if this belongs further down, feel free to move it. This seems the right place to put this though.

so seeing this:

It suddenly occurred to me. If God has planned humans to breed from the start, why wouldn't he have also "sculpted" in a belly button on them when he created them? Why would anyone assume that He'd forget such a detail, simply because they were not born, but created grown? This question uses the presumption of the Adam/Eve creation being a true event, even if details are lacking. I do not assert this to be so but simply based the discussion off that premise.
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Belly button is where the soul gets inserted.
 
maquiscat said:
Not exactly an improper thought. According to a Mormon I was friends with, there are those that believe that we are literally children of God, and as such we "grow up" to start universes of our own. Which might lend some credence to the multiverse theory.
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Don't quote me on this...but I think that Mormons believe that everyone starts out as a spirit child and live with God on planet called Kolob. When the spirit child is ready, God sends it down to earth to be born. When Mormons die...and if they are in good standing with the church....the men will inherit their own planet and have many wives and make more spirit children to help populate the universe....or something like that. Basically, Mormons believe they have more power in numbers...so they have lots of children to help fill up the ranks...and their spirits have to come from somewhere..so why not Kolob?
 
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maquiscat said:
Mods, if this belongs further down, feel free to move it. This seems the right place to put this though.

so seeing this:

It suddenly occurred to me. If God has planned humans to breed from the start, why wouldn't he have also "sculpted" in a belly button on them when he created them? Why would anyone assume that He'd forget such a detail, simply because they were not born, but created grown? This question uses the presumption of the Adam/Eve creation being a true event, even if details are lacking. I do not assert this to be so but simply based the discussion off that premise.
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Innie or outtie?
 
_Sal said:
Ahhhh, I am so glad that my belief system does not entail wondering about such things. Actually because it does not, that just might be excuse enough to ruminate upon it.

I don't even know if Adam and Eve existed. Neither does anyone else. The good thing for me is, my personal salvation and my eternal existence does not depend upon my belief.

My higher power couldn't care less.

I love that.

Life is good.

Cheers.
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Thank you, Sal, for saying "my" higher power and not just declaring that the one you imagine is everyone else's, whether they like it or not. I really do appreciate the small things and that's a biggie for me.

As for the belly button, I think that the question demonstrates the intellectual knots that religion needlessly ties in the minds of men. I prefer the more scientifically accurate idea that there was no "first" man or woman. We slowly changed, and continue to change, over time. At some point, we started calling ourselves human but the first being to be called that is not exactly what we are now.

The better question is, if and when we evolve to the point where we no longer allow myths to define our past, will we have to call ourselves something else? If the word "human" describes the Earthly being that evolved from lower primates but refuses to accept, or remains conflicted about, that natural process that resulted in who we are, once the creation myth has evolved out of our historical narrative, that will represent a profound point of divergence. From there on, we may choose to call ourselves something with more meaning to the future, even if we are physically very similar to what we are today. No doubt, the evolution of ideas do as much to define us, as a species, as whether we still have a tail-or a belly button- or not.
 
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