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A poetry thread

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Yesterday I thought of this poem and wondered if others had favorites too.

"God's Grandeur" by Gerard Manley Hopkins

The world is charged with the grandeur of God.
It will flame out, like shining from shook foil;
It gathers to a greatness, like the ooze of oil
Crushed. Why do men then now not reck his rod?
Generations have trod, have trod, have trod;
And all is seared with trade; bleared, smeared with toil;
And wears man's smudge and shares man's smell: the soil
Is bare now, nor can foot feel, being shod.

And for all this, nature is never spent;
There lives the dearest freshness deep down things;
And though the last lights off the black West went
Oh, morning, at the brown brink eastward, springs —
Because the Holy Ghost over the bent
World broods with warm breast and with ah! bright wings.
 
Oh, DonaldSutherland, it is such a pleasure to see this whimsical side of you.

Thank you.
 
Here's one I wrote several years ago - it's a bit long (and I had to split it into two comments because of DP's 5000-character rule), but I'm pretty proud of it. It's a reply to Kipling's "White Man's Burden" (in which he was describing England's passing of the proverbial torch of world leadership to America - I strongly suggest you read it first before reading my poem), and there are elements Emma Lazarus' poem "The New Colossus" (found on our Statue of Liberty) as well. I hope you like it.


The Judgement of Peers

Angry, defiant, he answered the summons
Of great empires of antiquity;
Naught of this world was beyond his grasp
Save this verdict of history.

“You know the Burden you laid at my feet,
‘Twas never for white men alone,
But that futility borne by great empires of old
‘Make the tired, the poor as our own!’
And I stand before you triumphant!” he cried,
“O’er a century of woe and weal;
So proffer your arguments dire and prepare
To hear the strength of my appeal!”

In gilded seats of judgment sat
The peerage of empires past;
Sweet glory they’d known, and power unchallenged,
And illusion that such could last.

Many looked on from every land
Where the feet of men still tread
But three there were in positions of honor
Whose colors were gold and red
Hard and fierce, their miens reflected
The aspects their thrones had willed
Gold dragon, gold eagle, gold lions a-prowl
Crimson fields of blood they’d spilled.

The Dragon was eldest, was first to speak,
Of the temporal certainty,
“That you may learn the surest of all
The lessons of sovereignty.

“Such power you have, like none before,
But secular, not divine.
Millennia passed before I learned
The Middle Kingdom was not mine.
Kings I summoned, my Peacock Throne
Saw emperors kowtow to me.
But my wisdom provided no surety ‘gainst
The poisoned sweetness of vanity.

“I saw the danger of enemies without;
A great wall I built to defend.
The wall did not fail, but was easily breached
By corruption that festered within.

Your trust in power, in weapons of war
May give you a semblance of peace,
But the battle you fight is internal, eternal,
Your empire will falter and cease.”

The Eagle was next to speak, to decry
The folly of luxury.
“All roads led to my seven hills,
And led the barbarians to me.

“I knew well the peril of monarchy,
And trusted to tribunals.
But lawful republic fell to limitless pride,
To opulence and bacchanal.
But still we conquered, not comprehending
The end of our strength we had reached.
We perceived not the malice we had engendered
In savages we’d thought to teach.

“They turned on us, taught us that harshest of lessons:
‘Who falls farthest, falls hardest’,
And sentenced our children to perpetual dreams
Of past glories and bountiful harvests.”

The last to speak was the wisest, the Lion
On whose empire the sun never set.
“I begat you and shed blood beside you,
Our kinship ever benevolent.

“Before you were born, ‘twas I stood strong
‘Gainst the spectre of tyranny.
To contain Moor and Inquisitor I gladly paid
That price of admiralty.
I believed my Charter’d freedom and justice
Were sufficient to win the day,
And see! My children now stand on their own;
For all mankind they light the way!

“But you, my child, tho’ our hearts were one,
We desired the best for mankind.
Our paths have diverged, I will not follow
Your doomed imperial design.

“The historians now speak of Pax in past tense,
Not only of ours, but yours.
Romana, Britannica, Americana…
Is there aught that you can demur?
For yours is but a portion, a fraction
Of the centuries my peers survived;
My heart is heavy and cold with the thought
That my child may be less than I.

“You stood for the tortured, the wrongful imprisoned,
For freedoms of worship, of speech.
But now you sacrifice such liberties,
‘Pon a brass altar of security.
Empires thrive so long as they uphold
The ideals that made them great;
I fear you will not sit with my rank, the first,
But the second, the subordinate.

“’Tis your turn now to speak, my child,
Prove me wrong, I beg you, I plead.
Restore me the hope I once proudly held
That to freedom this world you would lead.”

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The brash young man nodded, quietly smiled,
And stood serenely composed,
Before these three who in all history’s grand sweep
Had longest borne the mantle of hope.

“So this be the judgment of my peers,
Cold and hard-edged indeed!
We cannot deny your centuries of glory,
For which your dear sons did bleed.
But neither need we appeal your decision,
Nor should we implore your leave,
For there’s one advantage that we yet wield,
Of which never did you conceive.
“For each of you praised the aristocrat,
The patrician, the mandarin,
And forever denied and denigrated
The pedigree of the publican.
Such similarity will always bind you
In the pages of history writ:
Your power restricted to only the bloodlines,
Of Han, of Roman, of Brit.

“You each believed ‘twas but destiny
Assured your perpetual reign,
But did you remember your gods’ caveat:
The wheel turns, all things must end?

“The Han, supreme, till a thunderbolt signaled
Their Mandate of Heaven was lost;
And Rome reigned nobly till honor and duty
Were o’ercome by comfort and sloth.
And you, O Lion, your wooden walls a-sail
Were our cradle, our crucible!
As from one in his prime to his sire now diminished
Our duty is oath-bound and filial.

“Our path is not yours, ‘tis not empire we crave,
But freedom of choice, of creed,
Your tempest-tossed fluttered folk and wild
Surely become the best we breed!
For any and all can be truly a part
Of this roiling and boiling pot,
Wherein melts away (if ever so slowly)
The hatred of those who are not.

“This world is not that which we jealously covet,
No dominion is our desire,
No Ozymandian edifice of stone,
Nor generations in royal attire.
Your paths we daren’t follow, though we have stumbled,
Supplanting freedom with patriots’ zeal;
And should we fall, yea, and someday we shall!
Others will rise bearing our seal.

“For we are not an empire or a nation,
But an idea whose time has come.
Your White Man’s Burden is bleached no longer,
But a grand spectrum, egalitarian!

“Today we declare our freedom from peerage,
From comparison with empires past;
Today we declare with harmonious discord
The Peace of Liberty, Pax Libertas!”
 
From The Book of Common Prayer, 1977, Psalm 42:

1) As the deer longs for the water-brooks,
so longs my soul for you, O God.

2) My soul is athirst for God, athirst for the living God;
when shall I come to appear before the presence of God?

3) My tears have been my food day and night,
while all day long they say to me,
"Where now is your God?"

4) I pour out my soul when I think on these things:
how I went with the multitude and led them into the
house of God,

5) With the voice of praise and thanksgiving,
among those who keep holy-day.

6) Why are you so full of heaviness, O my soul?
and why are you so disquieted within me?

7) Put your trust in God;
for I will give yet thanks to him,
who is the help of my countenance, and my God.


8) My soul is heavy within me;
therefore I will remember you from the land of Jordan,
and from the peak of Mizar among the heights of Hermon.

9) One deep calls to another in the noise of your cataracts;
all your rapids and floods have gone over me.

10) The Lord grants his loving-kindness in the daytime;
in the night season his song is with me,
a prayer to the God of my life.

11) I will say to the God of my strength.
"Why have you forgotten me?
and why do I go so heavily while the enemy
oppresses me?"

12) While my bones are being broken,
my enemies mock me to my face;

13) All day long they mock me
and say to me, "Where now is your God?"

14) Why now are you so full of heaviness, O my soul?
and why are you so disquieted within me?

15) Put your trust in God;
for I will yet give thanks to him,
who is the help of my countenance, and my God.
 
Okay, sorry, just one more psalm. I know, too easy, right. There are so many that are beautiful, so I won't derail the thread with just psalms.

Again, from The Book of Common Prayer, 1977, Psalm 120:

1) When I was in trouble, I called to the Lord;
I called to the Lord, and he answered me.

2) Deliver me, O Lord, from lying lips
and from the deceitful tongue.

3) What shall be done to you, and what more besides,
O you deceitful tongue?

4) The sharpened arrows of a warrior,
along with hot glowing coals.

5) How hateful it is that I must lodge in Meshech
and dwell among the tents of Kedar!

6) Too long have I had to live
among the enemies of peace.

7) I am on the side of peace,
but when I speak of it, they are for war.
 
A Hymn to God the Father by John Donne


WILT Thou forgive that sin where I begun,
Which was my sin, though it were done before?
Wilt Thou forgive that sin through which I run,
And do run still, though still I do deplore?
When Thou hast done, Thou hast not done; 5
For I have more.

Wilt Thou forgive that sin which I have won
Others to sin, and made my sins their door?
Wilt Thou forgive that sin which I did shun
A year or two, but wallow'd in a score?
When Thou hast done, Thou hast not done;
For I have more.

I have a sin of fear, that when I've spun
My last thread, I shall perish on the shore;
But swear by Thyself that at my death Thy Son
Shall shine as He shines now and heretofore:
And having done that, Thou hast done;
I fear no more.
 
Here are a couple prayers passed down in the Celtic Christian oral traditions from mother to daughter, about St. Brigit (also known as Bride or Brigid). These two are collected in the Carmina Gadelica. I don't know if these really count, depending on whatever definition the OP wants to use for what "poetry" is or isn't. In my poetry class at the university, these would definitely count. If the OP doesn't like them, I promise not to post any more like this. I like them.

Every day and every night
That I say the genealogy of Bride,
I shall not be killed, I shall not be harried,
I shall not be put in cell, I shall not be wounded,
Neither shall Christ leave me in forgetfulness.

(Carmina Gadelica, p. 81)

I am under the shielding
Of good Brigit each day;
I am under the shielding
Of good Brigit each night.
I am under the keeping
Of the Nurse of Mary,
Each early and late,
Every dark, every light.
Brigit is my comrade-woman,
Brigit is my maker of song,
Brigit is my helping-woman,
My choicest of women, my guide.

(Carmina Gadelica, p. 239)

I pulled both of those prayers from the book Holy Companions: Spiritual Practices from the Celtic Saints, by Mary C. Earle and Sylvia Maddox, pages 19 and 24, respectively.
 
It's easier to explain what poetry is not than what it is (e.g., it need not rhyme nor have a message).
 
Oh, DonaldSutherland, it is such a pleasure to see this whimsical side of you.

Thank you.

Sadly, it was the wrong side, in the wrong thread, in the wrong forum. Therefore, Psalm 51:


1 Have mercy upon me, O God,

according to thy loving-kindness:
according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies
blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity,

and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I acknowledge my transgressions:

and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned,

and done this evil in thy sight:
that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest,
and be clear when thou judgest. Rom. 3.4
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity;

and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts:

and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean:

wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Make me to hear joy and gladness;

that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
9 Hide thy face from my sins,

and blot out all mine iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God;

and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence;

and take not thy Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation;

and uphold me with thy free Spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways;

and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God,

thou God of my salvation:
and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
15 O Lord, open thou my lips;

and my mouth shall show forth thy praise...
 
These are the words of Saint Ita that I will arrange to look as poetic as they are. This is from the same book on Celtic Saints cited in the last post, from page 67:

Three things that please God most
are true faith in God with a pure heart,
a simple life with a grateful spirit,
and generosity inspired by charity.

The three things that most displease God
are a mouth that hates people,
a heart harboring resentments,
and confidence in wealth.

(The authors cited this as taken from Wisdom of the Celtic Saints, by Edward Sellner, page 154.)
 
I must say the first thing I thought of when I read "A poetry thread" in the Religious Discussion forum, the first thing I thought of were the Psalms. I adore the Psalms. I have many favorites. I guess maybe because they touch on every human emotion. Psalm 109, written by David is a favorite. David's enemies laughed at him for his devotion, but they could not laugh him out of it. (Ps 109:6-20) I think a lot of people of faith can relate to that one. Another favorite is Psalm 119. I'm convinced it too was written by David by the different phrases used that are attributed to him in other Psalms. I love that Psalm because it is one delighting in God's word and a true desire to keep His ways.

You know David is a man who "did it all" and that all wasn't always a godly "all". Yet God said about David in 13 Samuel said to Saul, "You have acted foolishly; you have not kept the commandment of the LORD your God, which He commanded you, for now the LORD would have established your kingdom over Israel forever. 14"But now your kingdom shall not endure. The LORD has sought out for Himself a man after His own heart, and the LORD has appointed him as ruler over His people, because you have not kept what the LORD commanded you." In that I find hope for even David was with sin, yet his heart desired God.

You know it took 700 years to comprise the book of Psalms. And today many Christians think hymns comprised 200 years ago to be outdated. As a Christian I find the words put to old hymns to be most poetic of all. I find the early Christian chants to be the same.
 
As a musician, I always think of the Psalms as songs.

Then again, many modern poetry textbooks include lyrics, so....
 
"Death, be not proud, though some have called thee
Mighty and dreadful, for thou art not so.
For those whom thou thinkest thou doest overthrow
Die not, poor Death, nor yet canst thou kill me."
-John Donne-

"No-one here gets out alive!"
-Jim Morrison-
 
On His Blindness by John Milton

WHEN I consider how my light is spent
E're half my days, in this dark world and wide,
And that one Talent which is death to hide,
Lodg'd with me useless, though my Soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
My true account, least he returning chide,
Doth God exact day-labour, light deny'd,
I fondly ask; But patience to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, God doth not need
Either man's work or his own gifts, who best
Bear his milde yoak, they serve him best, his State
Is Kingly. Thousands at his bidding speed
And post o're Land and Ocean without rest:
They also serve who only stand and waite.

See Matthew 25:14-30 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+25:14-30&version=NKJV
 
The Unicorn
by Shel Silverstein, from his classic book of poems Where the Sidewalk Ends

A long time ago, when the earth was green
And there was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen,
And they run around free while the world was bein' born,
And the loveliest of all was the Unicorn.

There was green alligators and long-neck geese.
There was humpy bumpy camels and chimpanzees.
There was catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
The loveliest of all was the Unicorn.

But the Lord seen some sinnin', and it caused him pain.
He says, "Stand back, I'm gonna make it rain."
He says, "Hey Brother Noah, I'll tell ya whatcha do.
Go and build me a floatin' zoo.

And you take two alligators and a couple of geese,
Two humpy bumpy camels and two chimpanzees.
Take two catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
Noah, don't you forget my Unicorn."

Now Noah was there, he answered the callin'
And he finished up the ark just as the rain was fallin'. He marched in the animals two by two,
And he called out as they went through,

"Hey Lord, I got your two alligators and your couple of geese,
Your humpy bumpy camels and your chimpanzees.
Got your catsandratsandelephants -- but Lord, I'm so forlorn
'Cause I just don't see no Unicorn."

Ol' Noah looked out through the drivin' rain
But the Unicorns were hidin', playin' silly games.
They were kickin' and splashin' in the misty morn,
Oh them silly Unicorn.

The the goat started goatin', and the snake started snakin',
The elephant started elephantin', and the boat started shaking'.
The mouse started squeakin', and the lion started roarin',
And everyone's aboard but the Unicorn.
I mean the green alligators and the long-neck geese,
The humpy bumpy camels and the chimpanzees.
Noah cried, "Close the door 'cause the rain is pourin'--
And we just can't wait for them Unicorn."

Then the ark started movin', and it drifted with the tide,
And the Unicorns looked up from the rock and cried.
And the water come up and sort of floated them away--
That's why you've never seen a Unicorn to this day.

You'll see a lot of alligators and a whole mess of geese.
You'll see humpy bumpy camels and lots of chimpanzees.
You'll see catsandratsandelephants, but sure as you're born
You're never gonna see no Unicorn.

 
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