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Islam vs. Christianity

If you're an atheist why bother defending liars who dubbed themselves prophets?

sorry for bad english

i dont
maybe they was lier.but maybe they wasnt bad for 1400+ years ago
for example.arab always married with 10+ people
but mohammad banned to 4

.they always killed baby(girl) until their baby been boy.they killed ( baby girl) alive in grave.
but mohammad banned it
mohammed did make new rule for slavery
and must black people suported him in war
or jewish always stoning bitch but jesus banned it
 
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sorry for bad english

i dont
maybe they was lier.but maybe they wasnt bad for 1400+ years ago
for example.arab always married with 10+ people
but mohammad banned to 4

.they always killed baby(girl) until their baby been boy.they killed ( baby girl) alive in grave.
but mohammad banned it
mohammed did make new rule for slavery
and must black people suported him in war
or jewish always stoning bitch but jesus banned it

I agree they may have been improvements for their times, but why do people STILL worship them? I will never understand fully.
 
I agree they may have been improvements for their times, but why do people STILL worship them? I will never understand fully.

because of evolution
it is in our dna
 
Religion is actually the opposite of what a natural human would do.

no
for example believe god


monkey in Forest
Listening new voice
he have 2 choice
1:search
2:Escape
if monkey always belive that every voice coming from something
he will always escape
but if he choose search
maybe that voice was tiger or bear.
it is my point.
our parents need believe god(nothing) for safety:eek:ur dna need too
 

thats insane, how do you think Christianity was spread? do you think jesus pranced and skipped across europe with posies in a wicker basket peacefully converting people? or was it spread through absolute slaughter?

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thats insane, how do you think Christianity was spread? do you think jesus pranced and skipped across europe with posies in a wicker basket peacefully converting people? or was it spread through absolute slaughter?

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You are wrong about the spread of Christianity in Europe. If you have an open mind here is a link to read that addresses this subject.
How Christianity Rose to Dominate Europe
 
thats insane, how do you think Christianity was spread? do you think jesus pranced and skipped across europe with posies in a wicker basket peacefully converting people? or was it spread through absolute slaughter?

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BTW, how do you suppose communism was spread comrade?
 
thats insane, how do you think Christianity was spread? do you think jesus pranced and skipped across europe with posies in a wicker basket peacefully converting people? or was it spread through absolute slaughter?

Christianity was not spread through slaughter. Could you please tell me where you got the idea that it was?
 
Yup, saved Vienna and thus the Hapsburg empire.

Seriously, beat him so bad made the man question his Faith...


That's an ass whoopin! :lamo
 

That honestly seems to have had more to do with ethnic hatred and putting down rebellion than it does Christianity, per se. The Saxons were being a persistent pain in Charlemagne's imperial ass (being bloody rivals of the Franks in general for centuries, and fighting a rather nasty insurgency against Charlemagne in particular for decades), so he settled the problem once and for all.

There were a few other incidents along these lines in Northern Europe, if I recall correctly. There was also the Teutonic Knights' "Crusade" against Baltic pagans in Prussia and Lithuania. However, examples of this kind of "aggressive" conversion of non-Christian peoples are ultimately few and far between. Even in the Teutonic Knights' case, the pagan kingdoms in question actually converted of their own accord before all was said and done, and basically rendered the Order's mission a moot point.

It also cannot be ignored that Christianity came to dominate most of the Mediterranean not because of violence and bloodshed, but in spite of it. By the time any wars were started over the issue (largely by 'Old Guard' Hellenic pagans, jealous of their lost influence), Christianity had already basically taken control of Roman society in everything but name.
 
That honestly seems to have had more to do with ethnic hatred and putting down rebellion than it does Christianity, per se. The Saxons were being a persistent pain in Charlemagne's imperial ass (being bloody rivals of the Franks in general for centuries, and fighting a rather nasty insurgency against Charlemagne in particular for decades), so he settled the problem once and for all.
whiff of double standards here :mrgreen:

So in one case somebody is using religion as an excuse to settle something completely different, in another they're using something completely different as an excuse to forcibly spread their religion?

There were a few other incidents along these lines in Northern Europe, if I recall correctly. There was also the Teutonic Knights' "Crusade" against Baltic pagans in Prussia and Lithuania. However, examples of this kind of "aggressive" conversion of non-Christian peoples are ultimately few and far between. Even in the Teutonic Knights' case, the pagan kingdoms in question actually converted of their own accord before all was said and done, and basically rendered the Order's mission a moot point.
Oh, the Saxon duke Widukind converted eventually as well. The "Don Corleone" offer was simply something that could not be refused.

It also cannot be ignored that Christianity came to dominate most of the Mediterranean not because of violence and bloodshed, but in spite of it. By the time any wars were started over the issue (largely by 'Old Guard' Hellenic pagans, jealous of their lost influence), Christianity had already basically taken control of Roman society in everything but name.
I basically agree, nevertheless the claim was made that Christianity was not spread by slaughter, the clear implication being "never".

THAT won't sail.
 
Christianity was not spread through slaughter. Could you please tell me where you got the idea that it was?

My ancestry is Czech and my ancestors were subjugated under the Hapsburgs. Many massacres happened during their occupation of the Czech lands. Czechs, as a majority, are not religious, don't speak German (contrary to the Hapsburg efforts) and kicked all the Germans out of Czechoslovakia after WWII via the Benes decrees.

If you don't believe Christianity brought slaughter via religious wars and subjugation, you've never studied European history, or Jan Hus.
 
whiff of double standards here :mrgreen:

So in one case somebody is using religion as an excuse to settle something completely different, in another they're using something completely different as an excuse to forcibly spread their religion?

Again, there's really no indication that religion was the primary motivation behind the massacre. To the contrary, it appears to have been personal in nature, given the historical record.

Saxon rebels had recently killed several of Charlemagne's envoys and trusted lieutenants in battle. Following literal decades of insurgency, that appears to have been something of a "final straw."

He rolled into the region with a "**** off" enormous army, and demanded that the locals turn the trouble makers over... Or else. They did (of course), and he may or may not have had them all executed (I'd actually be interested to know if any mass graves have been found in the area).

Religion was certainly a factor at play behind the ongoing conflict. I won't deny that. However, it was hardly the only one (ethnic hatred played just as large a role), nor does it appear to have been the primary motivation behind this particular massacre. Revenge, war weariness, and the desire to "save face" would seem to be more directly to blame.

I basically agree, nevertheless the claim was made that Christianity was not spread by slaughter, the clear implication being "never".

THAT won't sail.

I won't deny that it has occasionally happened. I would note, however, that the Church has pretty much always taught that forced conversions are invalid, and has even overturned several such events over the centuries (usually where lynch mobs or local rulers grew over-zealous in enforcing conformity).

In any eventuality, it can be safely said that Christianity's spread relied considerably less upon the sword than that of Islam. For that matter, a Communist, of all people, trying to attack Christians for "violence" is utterly laughable.
 
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Again, there's really no indication that religion was the primary motivation behind the massacre. To the contrary, it appears to have been personal in nature, given the historical record.

Saxon rebels had recently killed several of Charlemagne's envoys and trusted lieutenants in battle. Following literal decades of insurgency, that appears to have been something of a "final straw."

He rolled into the region with a "**** off" enormous army, and demanded that the locals turn the trouble makers over... Or else. They did (of course), and he may or may not have had them all executed (I'd actually be interested to know if any mass graves have been found in the area).

Religion was certainly a factor at play behind the ongoing conflict. I won't deny that. However, it was hardly the only one (ethnic hatred played just as large a role), nor does it appear to have been the primary motivation behind this particular massacre. Revenge, war weariness, and the desire to "save face" would seem to be more directly to blame.
Heck, I'm the first to agree that religion was a convenient rallying flag here. As it always has been, from the invasion of Iberia to the Crusades and all the way further.

My gripe (not necessarily at you) is the double standards often applied. When "they" do it it's violent spread of theirs, when we did it it wasn't really about religion.

Well the initial raiding party (for instance) that crossed at Gibraltar wasn't about bringing Allah to the infidel, it was about checking opportunities and pretty much coincidental at that. The larger army that followed took the opportunity that the first lot had found.

Land, riches and a place to stay and build.

Abd ar-Rahman's lot at Poitiers looted as did his predecessors and as his successors would. They weren't staying in that awful weather, for sure.

I won't deny that it has occasionally happened. I would note, however, that the Church has pretty much always taught that forced conversions are invalid, and has even overturned several such events over the centuries (usually where lynch mobs or local rulers grew over-zealous in enforcing conformity).

In any eventuality, it can be safely said that Christianity's spread relied considerably less upon the sword than that of Islam.
Except for those instances where the man in the field pursued own agenda.
For that matter, a Communist, of all people, trying to attack Christians for "violence" is utterly laughable.
Didn't catch that communist "angle" but I'd agree that where "Christian violence" was involved in history, it usually showed a case of misappropriation of what the faith is and was really about.

Urban II wasn't above it either.
 
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isalm is based on christianity
it isnt different......
but jesus was loser.because roma empire killed him.....
but mahamad was winner.because he was king.
and king have power

Read the New Testament. Christ is Risen and reigns today.

In addition, Islam is a works-oriented religion that never reveals how many works are needed to reach the hereafter. Adherents to Islam are nightly pacing their kitchen floors wondering and worrying if they're really going to make it.

Salvation in Christianity is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and not by works (Ephesians 2:8-9, John 3:16, etc.). In addition, Christians know they're saved (John 5:24, etc.).

Also, if Muslims really believe Jesus was a prophet, why didn't they believe him when he said he was the only way to the Father (John 14:6)?
 
your english sucks and you all need to improve your first language.this forum belongs to religious discussions.it is not about comdemning or slandering any religion!
 
read the new testament. Christ is risen and reigns today.

In addition, islam is a works-oriented religion that never reveals how many works are needed to reach the hereafter. Adherents to islam are nightly pacing their kitchen floors wondering and worrying if they're really going to make it.

Salvation in christianity is by grace through faith in jesus christ, and not by works (ephesians 2:8-9, john 3:16, etc.). In addition, christians know they're saved (john 5:24, etc.).

Also, if muslims really believe jesus was a prophet, why didn't they believe him when he said he was the only way to the father (john 14:6)?

because they believe :
Bible is changed and jesus never said it
 
because they believe :
Bible is changed and jesus never said it

Wrong. The earliest manuscripts have what Jesus said, which is: "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6

And if you have evidence John 14:6 was changed early on, please SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.

Do your homework.
 
Wrong. The earliest manuscripts have what Jesus said, which is: "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6

And if you have evidence John 14:6 was changed early on, please SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.

Do your homework.
it is just faith and believe
there is no evidence.like christianity
 
it is just faith and believe
there is no evidence.like christianity

I don't believe you have studied the evidence for Christianity. You can order this from Amazon. Be sure about your choice of religions. Do your due-diligence.

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Wrong. The earliest manuscripts have what Jesus said, which is: "I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me." - John 14:6

And if you have evidence John 14:6 was changed early on, please SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM.

Do your homework.

Do you have any secular evidence to prove Yeshua ben Yosef existed?
 
I don't believe you have studied the evidence for Christianity. You can order this from Amazon. Be sure about your choice of religions. Do your due-diligence.

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Wow, he keeps on putting that jpg out of that book, yet, so far, he has presented zero of the arguments from that book. I wonder how many times he has spammed the board with that exact same picture, with out actually referencing anything from the book. It's as if he saw the title of the book, and never read the book itself.
 
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