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Evolution, Religion, and Introspection

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If you believe in Evolution and Judeo-Christianity, do you believe Adam and Eve and the advent of introspection occurred at the same time?
 
JC Callender said:
If you believe in Evolution and Judeo-Christianity, do you believe Adam and Eve and the advent of introspection occurred at the same time?
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I saw a study of mitochondriale dna that made it seem rather believable that humanity had one over-mother and one over-father from whom we all have descended. If I recall correctly eve lived about 130.000 years prior to Adam. ;)

Discuss.


PS: I am agnostic to the shape and timing and origins of the All and doubt that we will be able to falsify Gödel's proof implying that we probably never can understand God, the Universe and everything.
 
Genetic 'Adam' and 'Eve' Uncovered

the bible isn't that far off.

the Hebrew meaning for adam is man or mankind.
and the Hebrew meaning for eve is actually chavah.

chavah means the mother of all living things. or the nurturer of all living things.
it has a very deep and significant meaning. in the Hebrew language and the one
that the bible does not convey very well.

however the bible is not far off compared to what we know about genetics.
 
JC Callender said:
If you believe in Evolution and Judeo-Christianity, do you believe Adam and Eve and the advent of introspection occurred at the same time?
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You may have to expand / explain your interpretation of what introspection means. The concept in modern terminology has roots to the advent of systems of science, and the concept in philosophical terms puts us somewhere around the 6th or 7th century BC.
 
OrphanSlug said:
You may have to expand / explain your interpretation of what introspection means. The concept in modern terminology has roots to the advent of systems of science, and the concept in philosophical terms puts us somewhere around the 6th or 7th century BC.
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This is basically what I mean:

in·tro·spec·tion
ˌintrəˈspekSH(ə)n/
noun
the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes.
 
JC Callender said:
This is basically what I mean:

in·tro·spec·tion
ˌintrəˈspekSH(ə)n/
noun
the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes.
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That context then is rooted in psychology.
 
joG said:
I saw a study of mitochondriale dna that made it seem rather believable that humanity had one over-mother and one over-father from whom we all have descended. If I recall correctly eve lived about 130.000 years prior to Adam. ;)

Discuss.


PS: I am agnostic to the shape and timing and origins of the All and doubt that we will be able to falsify Gödel's proof implying that we probably never can understand God, the Universe and everything.
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Actually, it's the other way around. It is a rather unfortunate nick name what scientists used for the concept that 'every gene has a specific common ancestor', and when it comes the y-chromosome, and the mitochondria DNA, because of popular culture, they used biblical terms. This caused a big misunderstanding , even though it was only an analogy. There is a last common ancestor for each and every gene we have in our body. Those are just cute names that are given to the genes that can be traced due to sexual differences.

The way that some Orthodox Jews explain Adam and Eve (the ones that accept evolution) is that Adam and Eve are the first people that had souls. It allows them to accept evolution, and still maintain their more literal view of the Torah.
 
ludin said:
Genetic 'Adam' and 'Eve' Uncovered

the bible isn't that far off.

the Hebrew meaning for adam is man or mankind.
and the Hebrew meaning for eve is actually chavah.

chavah means the mother of all living things. or the nurturer of all living things.
it has a very deep and significant meaning. in the Hebrew language and the one
that the bible does not convey very well.

however the bible is not far off compared to what we know about genetics.
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The bible is a long ways off from what we know about genetics. That genetic Adam lived about 70,000 years or so before the genetic Eve. Moreover, they are not the first humans, but rather humans that all other humans share a genetic relationship with.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The bible is a long ways off from what we know about genetics. That genetic Adam lived about 70,000 years or so before the genetic Eve. Moreover, they are not the first humans, but rather humans that all other humans share a genetic relationship with.
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It's not far off at all if the Biblical Adam and Eve were the first hominids created with an eternal spirit/soul.
 
ludin said:
yea I know right. questioning what is arguably a far fetch theory is down right abhorrent.
the fact is that the only reason that evolution even exists as a theory is to try and justify an existence without a creator.

however evolution in an of itself has many many flaws.

TrueAuthority.com - Creation vs Evolution - Micro vs. Macro Evolution
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Oh no, another web site with the word 'True' in it. It then goes on to build a straw man, and change definitions, and move goal posts.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
The bible is a long ways off from what we know about genetics. That genetic Adam lived about 70,000 years or so before the genetic Eve. Moreover, they are not the first humans, but rather humans that all other humans share a genetic relationship with.
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not really and well humans can't breed without interaction with each other.
if that was the case then man never would have gotten started to begin with.

so evidently they need to rethink their theory on that one.

it also would make sense if they all have the same creator that they all share the same genetic traits.
and God said let us make man in our image and likeness.
 
RAMOSS said:
Oh no, another web site with the word 'True' in it. It then goes on to build a straw man, and change definitions, and move goal posts.

Pretty sad actually.
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no worse than this post. that is what is sad. can't actually address the topic.
tell me how does a frog evolve into a bird.

how does a cat evolve into a dog.

better yet how does a single cell bacteria become a multi-cell organism even though it has never been observed it to that?
actually it does none of that at all. but your ad-hominem is noted.
 
ludin said:
no worse than this post. that is what is sad. can't actually address the topic.
tell me how does a frog evolve into a bird.

how does a cat evolve into a dog.

better yet how does a single cell bacteria become a multi-cell organism even though it has never been observed it to that?
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Who ever said a cat would evolve into a dog?

BUt, when it comes to single celled bacteria becoming a multi-cell organism, there is an intermediary step known as 'colonies'

THere are single celled organisms that , when under stress, form collagen connections between them to form colonies. It just so happens that this collagen is the same substance that is used in more complex multi cellular organisms to hold their cells together (its the same substance in your own body as a matter of fact).

Although there is a lot of unknowns as of yet, this is an article that discusses that thrust of the research. How Life Made the Leap From Single Cells to Multicellular Animals | WIRED
 
ludin said:
not really and well humans can't breed without interaction with each other.
if that was the case then man never would have gotten started to begin with.

so evidently they need to rethink their theory on that one.

it also would make sense if they all have the same creator that they all share the same genetic traits.
and God said let us make man in our image and likeness.
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I am not sure what you are getting at. Its a genetic Adam and a genetic Eve. You can read about it here: Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time : Nature News & Comment

They are in no way the first humans though. I know you think there are problems with the theory of evolution, but I assure you that the world's biologists do not share your concerns.
 
ludin said:
no worse than this post. that is what is sad. can't actually address the topic.
tell me how does a frog evolve into a bird.

how does a cat evolve into a dog.

better yet how does a single cell bacteria become a multi-cell organism even though it has never been observed it to that?
actually it does none of that at all. but your ad-hominem is noted.
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One small step at a time. Let's actually look at, you know, the evidence,

First of all, it wouldn't be a 'frog into a bird'

It would be 'an amphibian to a dinosaur to to bird over the course of 400 million years'.

First, let's look at the development of amphibian to land dwelling animals. The major development that allowed amphibians to become full land dwelling animals is the development of the egg shell. This page details a list of the transitional fossils we have from amphibians to the early egg laying land animals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils#Amphibians_to_amniotes

Over time, such features as shells around the embryo, and changes to the kidneys allows early egg laying land animals to appear.

Aminotes moved into alasours , to dinosaurs, and then some of those, developed into birds, over a 200 million year period.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I am not sure what you are getting at. Its a genetic Adam and a genetic Eve. You can read about it here: Genetic Adam and Eve did not live too far apart in time : Nature News & Comment

They are in no way the first humans though. I know you think there are problems with the theory of evolution, but I assure you that the world's biologists do not share your concerns.
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the worlds biologist have been proven so many times wrong with their theory of evolution I pretty much don't what they say.
I don't look to people who are constantly wrong with their theories as any kind of reliable source of information.

you might but then that is on you not me.
 
RAMOSS said:
One small step at a time. Let's actually look at, you know, the evidence,

First of all, it wouldn't be a 'frog into a bird'

It would be 'an amphibian to a dinosaur to to bird over the course of 400 million years'.

First, let's look at the development of amphibian to land dwelling animals. The major development that allowed amphibians to become full land dwelling animals is the development of the egg shell. This page details a list of the transitional fossils we have from amphibians to the early egg laying land animals

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils#Amphibians_to_amniotes

Over time, such features as shells around the embryo, and changes to the kidneys allows early egg laying land animals to appear.

Aminotes moved into alasours , to dinosaurs, and then some of those, developed into birds, over a 200 million year period.
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Did Scientists Evolve a Multicellular Organism from a Single-Celled Organism?

umm yea they can't form multi-cell organisms unless they are already capable of doing that.
 
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