The Satanic Commandments [W:12,51]

Ancient Herald · Oct 12, 2015

ludin said:
calling something that you are advocating is not trashing you.
and you seem to be supporting what was said in your first post.

you then went onto trash God. so what he called you very much seems to be on point as that seems to be
the side that you are supporting in this thread.

All i said was that those points in the commandments made some sense to me, then he called me a Satanist.

What you don't seem to understand is that a person can find something reasonable and understand it without advocating it.

Do you understand that concept, or are you so black and white in your thinking that you can only see that any sort of agreement or understanding is support and advocacy?

i simply wanted to have an objective discussion with reasonable people.

I guess that's an impossible thing because of how irrational some kinds of religious people are.

@countryboy, thank you for the heads up, but it's pretty much useless.

There will not be anything done about those who want to trash and bash me for making them feel uncomfortable so they will continue to personally attack me using any dirty rotten trick they can think of.

But eventually action will be taken against me while they will be allowed to act however they want. that is the way all political forums work.

But, when I see your user name, I want to listen to some John Denver.

ludin · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
All i said was that those points in the commandments made some sense to me, then he called me a Satanist.

What you don't seem to understand is that a person can find something reasonable and understand it without advocating it.

you then went on to trash God which is what Satanists do as well as Satan.
so you are advocating the same position that they do.

Do you understand that concept, or are you so black and white in your thinking that you can only see that any sort of agreement or understanding is support and advocacy?

yet you went on a step futher and continued to support and back their position.

i simply wanted to have an objective discussion with reasonable people.

the fact is that Satan is the root of all evil. Therefore any rules that he gives or passes down are evil as well.
while they may seem good natured evil sometimes disguises itself as good in order to deceive.

Satan is a liar a lion roaming seeking those to devour. So why would you find anything he has to say reasonable?

I guess that's an impossible thing because of how irrational some kinds of religious people are.

yes not trusting what a known liar and murderer that is satan is irrational :roll:

@countryboy, thank you for the heads up, but it's pretty much useless.

There will not be anything done about those who want to trash and bash me for making them feel uncomfortable so they will continue to personally attack me using any dirty rotten trick they can think of.

I am not uncomfortable at all I just realize the truth and where what you post comes from.

But eventually action will be taken against me while they will be allowed to act however they want. that is the way all political forums work.

no the rules on the religious forum are quiet clear.

But, when I see your user name, I want to listen to some John Denver.

that is because John Denver rocks.

Ancient Herald · Oct 12, 2015

ludin said:
you then went on to trash God which is what Satanists do as well as Satan.
so you are advocating the same position that they do.

yet you went on a step futher and continued to support and back their position.

the fact is that Satan is the root of all evil. Therefore any rules that he gives or passes down are evil as well.
while they may seem good natured evil sometimes disguises itself as good in order to deceive.

Satan is a liar a lion roaming seeking those to devour. So why would you find anything he has to say reasonable?

yes not trusting what a known liar and murderer that is satan is irrational :roll:

I am not uncomfortable at all I just realize the truth and where what you post comes from.

no the rules on the religious forum are quiet clear.

that is because John Denver rocks.

Except for one thing.

God creates all evil, and Satan can not operate without God's permission.

That makes God responsible for all acts of evil. Every single one.

Satan can not create anything, only corrupt it.

And obviously you do not understand a concept called facetiousness.

if you are going to personally attack me with lies ad slander, then I will do whatever it takes to put you down.

And you've already shown that you are a liar in other threads as well, when you assert that men have no business in women's restrooms

So go shove your utter crap in your behind.

ludin · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
Except for one thing.

God creates all evil, and Satan can not operate without God's permission.

umm no God cannot create all evil and be holy. that is a conflict of terms.
yes God tolerates Satans existence at this point in time but that will change and all evil will be banished.

That makes God responsible for all acts of evil. Every single one.

no it doesn't. again God cannot be Holy and evil at the same time.

Satan can not create anything, only corrupt it.

this is true.

And obviously you do not understand a concept called facetiousness.

obviously you don't like the fact you were called on something.

if you are going to personally attack me with lies ad slander, then I will do whatever it takes to put you down.

I have yet to do that so you are just spouting off for no reason.
saying that you are supporting and backing the same idea's of a Satanist is not lies and slander because that is exactly what you did.

And you've already shown that you are a liar in other threads as well, when you assert that men have no business in women's restrooms

that isn't a lie you obviously don't know what a lie is. that is a truth but a truth you don't want to hear.

So go shove your utter crap in your behind.

this is exactly why you will get an infraction.

Ancient Herald · Oct 12, 2015

Your god is not holy. He is not a kind and loving god. He is none of the things his followers claim he is.

And you don't know what the truth is. You are just being argumentative to turn this against me.

You people are all the same.

You can't argue my points o you have to personally attack me to no end.

You have no sense of decency or integrity of any sort. The ends always justify the means for you.

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ludin · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
Your god is not holy. He is not a kind and loving god. He is none of the things his followers claim he is.

this is your opinion and not one that is backed up by anything but your opinion.
God is Holy. therefore God cannot be any of the things you suggest.

And you don't know what the truth is. You are just being argumentative to turn this against me.

Actually I do I am using bible verses which prove you incorrect.
the fact is the rules you posted and support come from Satan.

Satan is the master of all evil. as you said all he does is corrupt and destroy.
yet you support the very things he suggests. kind of an irony of sorts.

you mistake the truth for being argumentative.

You people are all the same.

if you mean not believing what Satan says as anything but evil then yes most Christians are the same in that regard.

You can't argue my points o you have to personally attack me to no end.

This is a lie no where have I personally attacked you, however the same cannot be said of you.
saying that you support the same thing as what Satanist believe is not attacking you since you did it in your first post and
then a few posts later.

You have no sense of decency or integrity of any sort. The ends always justify the means for you.

ad hominem.

I am sorry you don't like the fact that we are pointing out the flaws in taking what a Satanist says with any kind of virtue.
virtue does not stem from satan. he is the one that actually has no sense of decency or integrity.

Which is why no Christian will ever support anything he says or his follower's say.

so far you have done nothing but come on here and yell and shout at Christians for not
supporting something that is evil.

actually no the ends justify the means is more of a subjective morality thing.
I do not believe in subjective morality.

Ancient Herald · Oct 12, 2015

ludin said:
this is your opinion and not one that is backed up by anything but your opinion.
God is Holy. therefore God cannot be any of the things you suggest.

Actually I do I am using bible verses which prove you incorrect.
the fact is the rules you posted and support come from Satan.

Satan is the master of all evil. as you said all he does is corrupt and destroy.
yet you support the very things he suggests. kind of an irony of sorts.

you mistake the truth for being argumentative.

if you mean not believing what Satan says as anything but evil then yes most Christians are the same in that regard.

This is a lie no where have I personally attacked you, however the same cannot be said of you.
saying that you support the same thing as what Satanist believe is not attacking you since you did it in your first post and
then a few posts later.

ad hominem.

I am sorry you don't like the fact that we are pointing out the flaws in taking what a Satanist says with any kind of virtue.
virtue does not stem from satan. he is the one that actually has no sense of decency or integrity.

Which is why no Christian will ever support anything he says or his follower's say.

so far you have done nothing but come on here and yell and shout at Christians for not
supporting something that is evil.

actually no the ends justify the means is more of a subjective morality thing.
I do not believe in subjective morality.

Actually saying god is holy or even exists is not backed by any sort of fact or empirical evidence in any way, and is a subjective opinion.

AND REPEATEDLY CALLING ME A SATANISTS WHEN I HAVE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT I DO NOT WORSHIP SATAN IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND SLANDER!

You have been ignoring the warning already posted in this thread.

My original post did not shout at Christians, it is you ****ing imbeciles and your ****ing personal attacks that have caused me to respond in this way.
It is plain tos ee you are incapable of any sort of objective, ubiased or uncivilized discussion without slander and personal attacks against me.
Your god is a ****ing psychopath and so are his followers.

And **** you.

ludin · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
Actually saying god is holy or even exists is not backed by any sort of fact or empirical evidence in any way, and is a subjective opinion.

this is the religious forum. we are discussing religion and if you are talking about God that means we are talking about the bible.
The bible says that God is holy. so unless you have some evidence in the bible that counters this then you are simply stating your opinion.

AND REPEATEDLY CALLING ME A SATANISTS WHEN I HAVE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT I DO NOT WORSHIP SATAN IS A PERSONAL ATTACK AND SLANDER!

since I have not done this you are yelling at the wall.
I have said that you say and support the same things that they do. that is no way calling you a Satanist.

You have been ignoring the warning already posted in this thread.

yes you have as you have repeatedly personally attacked me for pointing out the flaws in what they believe.
saying that you support what they say is not calling you a Satanist.

My original post did not shout at Christians, it is you ****ing imbeciles and your ****ing personal attacks that have caused me to respond in this way.

no your consequential posts afterward did when Christians started calling out the topic.

It is plain tos ee you are incapable of any sort of objective, ubiased or uncivilized discussion without slander and personal attacks against me.

If you can show where I personally attacked you please do so. since you can't I will leave it at that.

Your god is a ****ing psychopath and so are his followers.

again the bible says this is not true, and I am not a psychopath at all.
I simply do not support the teachings of Satanists.

I understand where they come from and where they come from is from the Father of lies and the Father of evil.
I have no reason to give them any merit, acknowledgement or justification.
there is nothing reasonable about satan in general.

And **** you.

all the hate I dont' understand.

Ancient Herald · Oct 12, 2015

We are not discussing anything. You are personally attacking me and misrepresenting me.

if this was an open and objective discussion, you would be addressing the op and the commandments, not making this about me.

And in continuing this fracas you are ignoring the warning in this thread so you will more than likely get an infraction yourself.

And the Bible is NOT the perfect book you claim it is.

Make this about the OP, not about me. If you treat me fairly and with respect, i will do the same.

But as you have been very dishonest, i have no desire to do so.

i will not respond to your **** anymore.

ludin · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey

© 1967

Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

well most people ask for this stuff.

Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

again most people usually ask how things are going.

When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

well it is typical to be nice to someone when in their home.

If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

yea because that shows love and kindness to people.

Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

umm yea ok.

Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

thou shalt not steal.

Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

magic stems from satan and any power that stems from him is not good but evil.

Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
Do not harm little children.

ok

Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

I guess that doesn't count against their animal sacrifices to satan then.

When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

yea because this shows love and kindness.

seems to me there is a lot of hate going on in most of these rules.
of course it figures seeing how they stem from satan.

I find these very reasonable, actually.

And a lot more freedom in those than in God's ten commandments.

yep broad is the way that leads to destruction but narrow is the way that leads to life and there are few that find it.
you should read the pilgrims progress sometimes it talks about this very thing.

RAMOSS · Oct 12, 2015

ludin said:
actually it is the opposite hedonism spawns from Satanism.
since Satan is the source of all evil

it would only be appropriate that anything that comes from him is evil as well including any commandments.

If you look at the history of hedonism, the original concept , when it was first conceived by the Greeks was the avoidance of pain, rather than the seeking of pleasure. It took less than one generation for it to be corrupted into the seeking of pleasure.

ludin · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
We are not discussing anything. You are personally attacking me and misrepresenting me.

show it because I have done no such thing.

if this was an open and objective discussion, you would be addressing the op and the commandments, not making this about me.

I have discussed the commandments. in the fact that they stem from satan and therefore they are evil since he is the master of evil.

And in continuing this fracas you are ignoring the warning in this thread so you will more than likely get an infraction yourself.

pointing out why the commandments are evil and where they come from and defending what the bible says about God is discussing the topic at hand.

And the Bible is NOT the perfect book you claim it is.

that is your opinion.

Make this about the OP, not about me. If you treat me fairly and with respect, i will do the same.

So far you have proven to be the opposite more so when pointed out you are wrong on your opinion of God and your view on God in general.
it gets even worse when pointed out where those commandments come from and that the source of those commandments are evil.

But as you have been very dishonest, i have no desire to do so.

again not letting you spout your hated opinion of God is not being dishonest. pointing out what the bible says about God vs satan is again is not being dishonest.

i will not respond to your **** anymore.

I am sorry you don't like the truth that the bible has to say. it sounds to me that you have some anger issues toward God that you need to resolve.
even though he loves you very much and there is nothing that you can say to him that he won't forgive.

however it is a fact that satan is a deceiver a liar and the source of all evil in the world.
so there is no reason to give credence to anything that he says as truthful or has any basis in morality.

this is a warning to those that would listen or support what he says.

ludin · Oct 12, 2015

RAMOSS said:
If you look at the history of hedonism, the original concept , when it was first conceived by the Greeks was the avoidance of pain, rather than the seeking of pleasure. It took less than one generation for it to be corrupted into the seeking of pleasure.

I am not arguing that fact, but this things goes back way before the greeks in different forms.
just might not have been called that.

however hedonism stems from satan. it technically is another perversion of sex.
same could be said for S/M as well depending on the degree. which is why that movie Grey was just so bad.
what was even worse to me was all the Christian women that not only read the book but saw the movie.

that is not God's vision of what sex and love are about it is a perversion of that. which is what satan does.

8 Bible verses about Hedonism

What is the Satanic bible?

it very much is the opposite of the bible and everything that it teaches.

DDD · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
Empirical evidence and the existence of Satan is actually irrelevant to the commandments.

And they are very relevant for they are a rebellion against the christian church, which influences lots of people in America and around the world.

Conflicting positions.

RAMOSS · Oct 12, 2015

ludin said:
I am not arguing that fact, but this things goes back way before the greeks in different forms.
just might not have been called that.

however hedonism stems from satan. it technically is another perversion of sex.
same could be said for S/M as well depending on the degree. which is why that movie Grey was just so bad.
what was even worse to me was all the Christian women that not only read the book but saw the movie.

that is not God's vision of what sex and love are about it is a perversion of that. which is what satan does.

8 Bible verses about Hedonism

What is the Satanic bible?

it very much is the opposite of the bible and everything that it teaches.

Point 1. Those bible verses really don't have anything to do with the concept of Hedonism, but rather over indulgence.
Point 2. "Got Questions" is a very biased site that I would not trust as a source about another viewpoint other than talking about fundamentalist Christianity.

Gardener · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey

© 1967

Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

Well, I guess we're all breaking that one, now, aren't we?

Logicman · Oct 12, 2015

RAMOSS said:
Point 2. "Got Questions" is a very biased site that I would not trust as a source about another viewpoint other than talking about fundamentalist Christianity.

Seems like your bias against 'anything Christian' is getting in the way of your objectivity.

Logicman · Oct 12, 2015

Ancient Herald said:
thirdly, this is really not about worshiping Satan, it is about a rebellion against the depravity of the Christian religion and the awful people who are a part of it.

"When I talked at the U.N. the subject I was to speak on was,“Navigating with Absolutes in a Relativistic World." I talked about the four searches: the search for evil and how to define it, the search for justice; how to define love, and when can we legitimately forgive? Evil, justice, love, and forgiveness. And then I asked the audience, “Is there any event in history where these four converged in one place, and at any one given moment? Yes. It happened on a hill called Calvary, in the person of Jesus Christ in whom perfect righteousness was revealed, in whom the love of God was shown, and who brought justice into focus in the penalty for sin, and offered me forgiveness." - Ravi Zacharias

Calvary - where the love of God for mankind was demonstrated.

RAMOSS · Oct 12, 2015

Logicman said:
Seems like your bias against 'anything Christian' is getting in the way of your objectivity.

Notice, I qualified it to say 'fundamentalist Christianity'. There is a big difference between that variation, and the normal, everyday, denomination. Do try to read the full sentence, and not mentally delete that which does not conform to your preconceptions.

Logicman · Oct 12, 2015

RAMOSS said:
Notice, I qualified it to say 'fundamentalist Christianity'. There is a big difference between that variation, and the normal, everyday, denomination. Do try to read the full sentence, and not mentally delete that which does not conform to your preconceptions.

Nuts. Jesus was a fundamentalist. He upheld the fundamental laws of God. His sacrifice at Calvary is the crux of fundamental Christianity. And you denounce that at every turn.

RAMOSS · Oct 12, 2015

Logicman said:
Nuts. Jesus was a fundamentalist. He upheld the fundamental laws of God. His sacrifice at Calvary is the crux of fundamental Christianity. And you denounce that at every turn.

Did he? He pushed for violating the Sabbath John 5:18 (according to writers who never knew him), He didn't honor his mother and his father. (Mark 3:31-35). He told one of his followers to violate the commandment to bury someone within 24 hours of their death Matthew 8:21-22. So, no, he violated the laws of God.

Logicman · Oct 12, 2015

RAMOSS said:
Did he? He pushed for violating the Sabbath John 5:18 (according to writers who never knew him), He didn't honor his mother and his father. (Mark 3:31-35). He told one of his followers to violate the commandment to bury someone within 24 hours of their death Matthew 8:21-22. So, no, he violated the laws of God.

Nonsense. He clarified the Sabbath, and put family in proper perspective to God. As for your 24 hour claim, where do you get that from?

ludin · Oct 12, 2015

RAMOSS said:
Point 1. Those bible verses really don't have anything to do with the concept of Hedonism, but rather over indulgence.
Point 2. "Got Questions" is a very biased site that I would not trust as a source about another viewpoint other than talking about fundamentalist Christianity.

1. it does because that is what hedonism is.
2. you don't like it because it doesn't agree with your theology that doesn't make it wrong.

I find that it is highly accurate.

RAMOSS · Oct 12, 2015

Logicman said:
Nonsense. He clarified the Sabbath, and put family in proper perspective to God. As for your 24 hour claim, where do you get that from?

Oh, are you that ignorant. It comes Deuteronomy 21:23, when it comes to burying a body of a criminal who was executed by sundown the next day. The oral law was 'if that is good enough for a criminal, most certainly it is proper to do that for an innocent person.

Manny · Oct 12, 2015

I've always had an inquisitive mind so I read the Satanic Bible book many years ago, as a young lad. Clearly it was written in the spirit of rebellion, and is a reaction to perceived injustices and hypocrisy of the church. I agreed with some of the criticisms, but in retrospect I conclude that those illnesses of the church are due to defects in humanity. We are the ones who implement the ideas of christianity into reality. And anywhere that there is a power structure you will find corrupt people who take advantage of things and who are phoney, deceiving liars. There is no institution in this world that is above corruption, but it is because of people. So my feeling is that while the church has many problems which we well know of today, that does not mean that the concept of god or christian morals are inherently wrong.
The conclusion that the book draws, that wrong is right and right is wrong, is unacceptable. What is needed is reform, not an inversion of the concepts good and evil.

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