SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY![W:161]

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tosca1 said:

Scary stuff being proposed in Quebec. I know it's not the USA.....but if it takes root, chances are it'll find its way on the other side of the border.

Bill 59.



- See more at: Quebec hate bill could stifle free speech, CIJA says | The Canadian Jewish News

Rights and freedom-wise, we're living in dangerous times. If we want to keep our rights and freedom intact - we shouldn't give an inch.

Our rights are under siege.

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Again Canada, and they have less freedoms when it comes to speech there than here in the US. I don't care for that law at all, but it has nothing to do with us here in the US nor homosexuality specifically.

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roguenuke said:

First, that is Canada.

Second, the issue was the picture on the flyer, not the message or the group sending out the flyers. And, as the link states, they have refused to deliver pornographic flyers in the past. So there is no reason why those carriers cannot refuse to deliver graphic pictures of dead babies.

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No matter. If they're paid by tax payers - they better do their job! Deliver the mail!
It's not for these mailmen to screen what, or what shouldn't be delivered. The nerve.

Those flyers are a form of free expression.


Some people get fooled by those mail that says: YOU'RE A WINNER! Only to find out that they're not actually winners. Some folks had said they were given false hopes (as when they received those mails, they were down on the dumps!)
So....a mailman who shares the same views of those people can refuse to deliver those flyers/mail?



See the double standard here?

A baker cannot refuse to partcipate in a celebration of SSM marriage (like as if there are no other bakers to go to), and yet these mailmen can refuse to deliver the mail (when in fact we all rely on mail delivery!)
So, if my mailman refuses to deliver something to me just because he thinks and decides (on my behalf), I shouldn't get it......
......my tough luck. I've got no choice, to boot! :lol:

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tosca1 said:

No matter. If they're paid by tax payers - they better do their job! Deliver the mail!
It's not for these mailmen to screen what, or what shouldn't be delivered. The nerve.

Those flyers are a form of free expression.

Some people get fooled by those mail that says: YOU'RE A WINNER! Only to find out that they're not actually winners. Some folks had said they were given false hopes (as when they received those mails, they were down on the dumps!)
So....a mailman who shares the same views of those people can refuse to deliver those flyers/mail?

See the double standard here?

A baker cannot refuse to partcipate in a celebration of SSM marriage (like as if there are no other bakers to go to), and yet these mailmen can refuse to deliver the mail (when in fact we all rely on mail delivery!)
So, if my mailman refuses to deliver something to me just because he thinks and decides (on my behalf), I shouldn't get it......
......my tough luck. I've got no choice, to boot! :lol:

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Again, this is happening in Canada, and has happened before there. I'm not saying that they should be allowed to refuse to deliver it, although it is a still a political flyer that is being refused delivery and I have no idea what laws Canada has when it comes to protection. Can they refuse to deliver harmful products? How about pornography? What if the flyer had pictures of dead people, claiming that this was what Christians do? Would that be okay?

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tosca1 said:

You'll have to go back to those threads in the other section. There were cases given that yes, religious right is getting chipped away.

Florist and bakers were taken to courts, and were penalized for practicing their belief.

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You keep repeating this lie with ZERO ability to provide one single fact that proves it nor can you list ONE right we lost due to SSM or adding to discrimination laws, not one. Nobody educated on this subject will ever take the lies you post seriously until you can support them. None of that actually happened based on facts, rights and legality. You are free to FEEL it did but thats meaningless.

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tosca1 said:

No matter. If they're paid by tax payers - they better do their job!

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Much like the City Clerk must issue marriage licenses to same sex couples.

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Ikari said:

Much like the City Clerk must issue marriage licenses to same sex couples.

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If I'm not mistaken, they're forced to, right?

In Canada, they're supposed to or they'll get in big big trouble. So, with these mailmen, we see that there's a double standard.

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tosca1 said:

You'll have to go back to those threads in the other section. There were cases given that yes, religious right is getting chipped away.

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Not By same sex marriage.

Florist and bakers were taken to courts, and were penalized for practicing their belief.

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And that isn't right.But it has more to do with anti discrimination laws than Ssm.

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CLAX1911 said:

Not By same sex marriage.

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The cases involved SSM.

And that isn't right.But it has more to do with anti discrimination laws than Ssm.

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No discrimantion there....since those gays were old clients of the baker. The baker had known them as gays and they were being served.
The baker only refused to participate in doing the cake for the wedding, due to religious belief. And apparently it was nicely explained.

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tosca1 said:

The cases involved SSM.

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So what?

No discrimantion there....since those gays were old clients of the baker.

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There absolutely was discrimination because to discriminate means to treat things differently. She didn't bake them a cake because of what they were. She treated them differently than a heterosexual couple. By definition it absolutely is discrimination. The only question is whether it should be lawful or not.

The baker had known them as gays and they were being served.
The baker only refused to participate in doing the cake for the wedding, due to religious belief. And apparently it was nicely explained.

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she still treated them differently than a heterosexual couple. She absolutely discriminated. Again the only question is whether it should be legal or not. It's perfectly legal to discriminate against many people, even acceptable. I personally think that it is acceptable for sweet cakes by Melissa to discriminate against homosexual couples when making wedding cakes because she apparently has some religious objection to it.

But I am not going to say it isn't discrimination to say that treating a homosexual couple differently than a heterosexual couple. And she did.

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tosca1 said:

If I'm not mistaken, they're forced to, right?

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you are mistaken there is no force. How could you know so little about this topic and post about it so much.

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tosca1 said:

The cases involved SSM.





No discrimantion there....since those gays were old clients of the baker. The baker had known them as gays and they were being served.
The baker only refused to participate in doing the cake for the wedding, due to religious belief. And apparently it was nicely explained.

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which is 100% factually GAY discrimination by facts and law and rights LOL

are you claiming that if you work for me for like 10 years and i know you have some different religious beliefs but I hire you anyway but when you ask for a promotion i tell you that i cant promote you higher cause of your religious beliefs that's NOT illegal discrimination you know, since i DID hire you and you have been employed here all this time. LMAO Wrong just like the bigoted criminal bakers that too would be illegal and a violation of your rights.

SO again you are factually wrong, let me know if there are any other mistakes i can help you with, You're welcome.

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tosca1 said:

If I'm not mistaken, they're forced to, right?

In Canada, they're supposed to or they'll get in big big trouble. So, with these mailmen, we see that there's a double standard.

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What part of Canada vs US do you not get? They do have different rules, different laws, different Constitution.

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I'd say too bad. Emancipation impacted Christianity, as did women's suffrage, interracial marriage and so forth. Our government is secular meaning it is forbidden from respecting your religion. Hell it says that in the first amendment.

So, too bad. Move to Ethiopia if you want to live in Christian theocracy. As cpwill said rights are negative in nature.

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How does letting people practice christianity effect couples rights to ssm?

Should we stop christianity so others can feel safe in their ssm?

I hope you find this ridiculous. Then I hope you realize your doing exactly that but in reverse when you try to deny others ssm.

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Dogger807 said:

1.) How does letting people practice christianity effect couples rights to ssm?
2.) Should we stop christianity so others can feel safe in their ssm?
3.)I hope you find this ridiculous.
4.) Then I hope you realize your doing exactly that but in reverse when you try to deny others ssm.

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1.) Id like to know that too it 100% doesnt, people are 100% free to practice Christianity. good thing since too Im a christian.
2.) of course not Christianity has nothgin to do with SSM
3.) I agree people trying to break the law and infringe on the rights of others are completely ridiculous
4.) THey dont care because the reality is it isnt about Christianity nor do they actually care about rights. Laws, rights, religion and the constitution are meaningless to these people they just want to treat others as lessers.