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SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY![W:161]

Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

OP can open another 25 threads (or another 250 for that matter) to keep going on like a dog at the same bone, none of this detracts from the fact that the position has found a complete whacking in all other attempts elsewhere so far.

The claim about freedom of religion and expression having been lost is as absurd here as it was elsewhere. Anyone so inclined is free to say that homosexuality is an abomination of his/her god's book of rules and can say the same thing about SSM.

To suggest otherwise is as dishonestly prevaricating as it was in other threads and in here is "backed" by the same sort of fact twisting that could not float in other places either.

To wit:
The SSM issue comes with what would be like a "gag order" when it comes to one's religious view about homosexuality.
If one should ask you, publicly, what the Bible says about homosexuality - there is pressure and intimidation (if not a penalty) for saying what you believe based on the Scriptures.
sometimes what you say is love, is merely your own rationalization - it is not love for your brother, but rather more of love of yourself. It is more convenient for you to agree,
We can still say that marrying a dog is really, really grossly disgusting, and a downright abomination! But that could be changing....thanks to the precedence of SSM ruling.Someone who married an animal might just challenge that. You think they should have the same right?
culminating in:
If I want any atheist's explanation of the Scriptures, I'd post a separate thread for it, thank you. Your views about the Scriptures and your judgment, are irrelevant to me. Sorry.
as the final but nonetheless futile attempt at skulduggery in trying to escape accountability for one's devious debate techniques and insipid world view, by going off to hide in a forum misunderstood as being reserved for believers only.

The irony of it apparent to everybody else since, when it comes to the point that the state starts dictating what the churches may preach (inside, dang it), there'll be plenty of non-believers among those that get out the long knives in opposition to such a move. On the simple but sensible assumption that what's done to THEM this week, will likely be done to US next week.

And even the undeserving like those who constantly advocate abolishing any freedom of expression other than their own, will benefit. Even where a lot of us may feel quite embarrassed by them, whether we adhere to any faith or none.

Since by their very behavior they're a disgrace to any position they hold.
 
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Will preaching the evils of buggery now be hate speech? I don't intend ever to celebrate the virtues of homosexuality, and anyone who doesn't like that can go chase himself. Unlike the leftists who make up most of the proponents of the homosexual agenda, I believe in the First Amendment. If the members of the Westboro Baptist Church or others like them want to publicly denounce homosexuality as an abomination, I strongly defend their right to do it. The intolerant little curs who want to silence anyone who doesn't say and think just what they want them to are in for some rude surprises. Despite the best efforts of leftists, this is still a free country.

You don't have real leftists in your country. You'll never be that lucky.
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

For years Christianity has negatively impacted the lives of others and Christians didn't give a $hit. If gays having the same rights as us straights bothers you then tough titty, get over it, $hit happens eh?

There are sensible Christians here not bothered by SSM. Reasonable people. There are Christian groups (The Quakers for example) who have argued vehemently for SSM - admirable. The rest of you are getting on our wicks pretending to be persecuted - you're not. You're hatemongers and the worst advert for Christianity. When will you learn that discrimination is wrong, and YOU Christians are not being discriminated against here.

Your opinion is duly noted, but I'm not talking about that....so all that is moot to me.

This is the topic:

SSM Ruling Impacts Christianity.
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

This is the topic: SM Ruling Impacts Christianity.

but you havent provided one fact that proves that yet . . . .this is why multiple posters have proven the OP wrong.
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

your opinion is duly noted, but i'm not talking about that....so all that is moot to me.

This is the topic:

ssm ruling impacts christianity.

Good. About time you were dragged into enlightment. Tough f*cking titty!
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

I simply have to address this issue. It is one of those things that I have a hard time letting go without giving an input - not to convince those who'd already staunchly stood their ground on this position - but for the sake of those who could easily get swayed, and confused by the suggested naive viewpoint that the SSM ruling has no impact on Christianity.


The main concern about the SSM ruling is about our right to religious belief and expression. Let's focus on that.


If, as a Christian you believe that homosexuality is NOT forbidden, nor is it a sin......then obviously, the SSM ruling does NOT impact YOUR "Christianity." The SSM ruling does not have an impact on your belief.

But what about those who believe that homosexuality is forbidden and that, it is considered a sin - according to our Scriptures?
There-in comes the impact.


Christians are commissioned to spread the Gospel. There is no getting around that. Mark 16:15


The SSM issue comes with what would be like a "gag order" when it comes to one's religious view about homosexuality. That impacts our Christianity, if we are one of those who believe in what the Scriptures say regarding the homosexual act.


- it impacts how we spread the Gospel. If one should ask you, publicly, what the Bible says about homosexuality - there is pressure and intimidation (if not a penalty) for saying what you believe based on the Scriptures. If we side-step the issue, then we are not disclosing what the Scriptures say about this act, and someone may be encouraged to commit an act simply based on the fact that there's not enough information given by us about the issue. If someone who's contemplating to commit adultery should ask you what the Scriptures really say about adultery - and you become evasive, or ambiguous with the answer - how will that person take it? Especially when he's already contemplating to commit that sin?

Are we going to fall in line with the devil and spread, "HALF-TRUTHS?"

Are we going to help the devil mislead others?



- it impacts the instructions in the Scripture that we are supposed to correct erring BROTHERS if they are committing something that will result in spiritual death!


Christians have a responsibility towards one another to help each other focus on the ultimate goal: eternal life.
We all know that we are all going to battle with temptation until the day we finally die - and we try to give each other strength to fight temptation, by reminding one another of the promise of Christ - the great importance of OBEDIENCE to God's will.

If your loved one is a drug addict, do you say to him, "it's okay....you can go on if that makes you happy." Is that love?
Or you've just simply given up arguing with him every time you try to admonish him, that now you just prefer - and had rationalized it - to agree with him? Have you justified why you now condone his addiction? Is it out of love for him, or for your own self-interest (like you don't want to deal with the stress of having arguments; or it's more convenient for you to condone his addiction, etc).

Before any of you point a finger and start spouting off about love, let me remind you that love comes in different shades. AND sometimes what you say is love, is merely your own rationalization - it is not love for your brother, but rather more of love of yourself. It is more convenient for you to agree, and go with the flow. Self-interest, is most likely at the root of it all.


That's just the impact I could think of right now, but there are many more.

The SSM ruling is the train that pulls a string of caboose with it.

It impacts different areas of Christianity.

What about the millions of Christians who were fighting for or in support of or they themselves are apart of the LGBT community and fight for LGBT marriage and equality? What about them? How does it impact them?
What it boils down to, the only "impact" it will have is.....
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You don't have real leftists in your country. You'll never be that lucky.

Your decayed continent is welcome to all the ones taking up space here. They could help the local self-hating white leftists as they work with Muslim immigrants to Islamize one European country after another.
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

I simply have to address this issue. It is one of those things that I have a hard time letting go without giving an input - not to convince those who'd already staunchly stood their ground on this position - but for the sake of those who could easily get swayed, and confused by the suggested naive viewpoint that the SSM ruling has no impact on Christianity.


The main concern about the SSM ruling is about our right to religious belief and expression. Let's focus on that.


If, as a Christian you believe that homosexuality is NOT forbidden, nor is it a sin......then obviously, the SSM ruling does NOT impact YOUR "Christianity." The SSM ruling does not have an impact on your belief.

But what about those who believe that homosexuality is forbidden and that, it is considered a sin - according to our Scriptures?
There-in comes the impact.


Christians are commissioned to spread the Gospel. There is no getting around that. Mark 16:15


The SSM issue comes with what would be like a "gag order" when it comes to one's religious view about homosexuality. That impacts our Christianity, if we are one of those who believe in what the Scriptures say regarding the homosexual act.


- it impacts how we spread the Gospel. If one should ask you, publicly, what the Bible says about homosexuality - there is pressure and intimidation (if not a penalty) for saying what you believe based on the Scriptures. If we side-step the issue, then we are not disclosing what the Scriptures say about this act, and someone may be encouraged to commit an act simply based on the fact that there's not enough information given by us about the issue. If someone who's contemplating to commit adultery should ask you what the Scriptures really say about adultery - and you become evasive, or ambiguous with the answer - how will that person take it? Especially when he's already contemplating to commit that sin?

Are we going to fall in line with the devil and spread, "HALF-TRUTHS?"

Are we going to help the devil mislead others?



- it impacts the instructions in the Scripture that we are supposed to correct erring BROTHERS if they are committing something that will result in spiritual death!


Christians have a responsibility towards one another to help each other focus on the ultimate goal: eternal life.
We all know that we are all going to battle with temptation until the day we finally die - and we try to give each other strength to fight temptation, by reminding one another of the promise of Christ - the great importance of OBEDIENCE to God's will.

If your loved one is a drug addict, do you say to him, "it's okay....you can go on if that makes you happy." Is that love?
Or you've just simply given up arguing with him every time you try to admonish him, that now you just prefer - and had rationalized it - to agree with him? Have you justified why you now condone his addiction? Is it out of love for him, or for your own self-interest (like you don't want to deal with the stress of having arguments; or it's more convenient for you to condone his addiction, etc).

Before any of you point a finger and start spouting off about love, let me remind you that love comes in different shades. AND sometimes what you say is love, is merely your own rationalization - it is not love for your brother, but rather more of love of yourself. It is more convenient for you to agree, and go with the flow. Self-interest, is most likely at the root of it all.


That's just the impact I could think of right now, but there are many more.

The SSM ruling is the train that pulls a string of caboose with it.

It impacts different areas of Christianity.

Your religious freedom does not mean that you are entitled to hace every tenet of your brand of Christianity codified into law.
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

Your decayed continent is welcome to all the ones taking up space here. They could help the local self-hating white leftists as they work with Muslim immigrants to Islamize one European country after another.
You might consider taking some water with it. Going without is clearly not doing you any good.

:2razz:
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

I simply have to address this issue. It is one of those things that I have a hard time letting go without giving an input - not to convince those who'd already staunchly stood their ground on this position - but for the sake of those who could easily get swayed, and confused by the suggested naive viewpoint that the SSM ruling has no impact on Christianity.


The main concern about the SSM ruling is about our right to religious belief and expression. Let's focus on that.


If, as a Christian you believe that homosexuality is NOT forbidden, nor is it a sin......then obviously, the SSM ruling does NOT impact YOUR "Christianity." The SSM ruling does not have an impact on your belief.

But what about those who believe that homosexuality is forbidden and that, it is considered a sin - according to our Scriptures?
There-in comes the impact.


Christians are commissioned to spread the Gospel. There is no getting around that. Mark 16:15


The SSM issue comes with what would be like a "gag order" when it comes to one's religious view about homosexuality. That impacts our Christianity, if we are one of those who believe in what the Scriptures say regarding the homosexual act.


- it impacts how we spread the Gospel. If one should ask you, publicly, what the Bible says about homosexuality - there is pressure and intimidation (if not a penalty) for saying what you believe based on the Scriptures. If we side-step the issue, then we are not disclosing what the Scriptures say about this act, and someone may be encouraged to commit an act simply based on the fact that there's not enough information given by us about the issue. If someone who's contemplating to commit adultery should ask you what the Scriptures really say about adultery - and you become evasive, or ambiguous with the answer - how will that person take it? Especially when he's already contemplating to commit that sin?

Are we going to fall in line with the devil and spread, "HALF-TRUTHS?"

Are we going to help the devil mislead others?



- it impacts the instructions in the Scripture that we are supposed to correct erring BROTHERS if they are committing something that will result in spiritual death!


Christians have a responsibility towards one another to help each other focus on the ultimate goal: eternal life.
We all know that we are all going to battle with temptation until the day we finally die - and we try to give each other strength to fight temptation, by reminding one another of the promise of Christ - the great importance of OBEDIENCE to God's will.

If your loved one is a drug addict, do you say to him, "it's okay....you can go on if that makes you happy." Is that love?
Or you've just simply given up arguing with him every time you try to admonish him, that now you just prefer - and had rationalized it - to agree with him? Have you justified why you now condone his addiction? Is it out of love for him, or for your own self-interest (like you don't want to deal with the stress of having arguments; or it's more convenient for you to condone his addiction, etc).

Before any of you point a finger and start spouting off about love, let me remind you that love comes in different shades. AND sometimes what you say is love, is merely your own rationalization - it is not love for your brother, but rather more of love of yourself. It is more convenient for you to agree, and go with the flow. Self-interest, is most likely at the root of it all.


That's just the impact I could think of right now, but there are many more.

The SSM ruling is the train that pulls a string of caboose with it.

It impacts different areas of Christianity.





Your religious freedom does not mean that you are entitled to hace every tenet of your brand of Christianity codified into law.


Pls read again. I'm not saying that. I'm explaining how the SSM ruling impacts Christianity.
 
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Your religious freedom does not mean that you are entitled to hace every tenet of your brand of Christianity codified into law.
I object to the wild understatement.

This is about making the whole bible into law. Her bible.
 
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Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again

Might as well copy and paste this...
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

Pls read again. I'm not saying that. I'm explaining how the SSM ruling impacts Christianity.

well get to it then you havent provided one fact that shows that yet
 
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Might as well copy and paste this...

agreed, until one person can support the lie claimed in the op its all that is needed to easily defeat such nonsensical dishonest claims :D
would you like to try? i bet not, now run away.

but if so can you post one fact how SSM does effect Christianity, please do so now, thanks
facts win again
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

agreed, until one person can support the lie claimed in the op its all that is needed to easily defeat such nonsensical dishonest claims :D
would you like to try? i bet not, now run away.

but if so can you post one fact how SSM does effect Christianity, please do so now, thanks
facts win again

Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again

thats what i thought you got nothing, we knew you would dodge the challenge lol
facts win again
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

thats what i thought you got nothing, we knew you would dodge the challenge lol
facts win again

Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

I simply have to address this issue. It is one of those things that I have a hard time letting go without giving an input - not to convince those who'd already staunchly stood their ground on this position - but for the sake of those who could easily get swayed, and confused by the suggested naive viewpoint that the SSM ruling has no impact on Christianity.

Take it up with god, he invented homosexuality.

Gay marriage doesn't affect you in any way, unless you needlessly obsess over it.

BTW, men shaving is a sin, so is boiling a baby goat in its mother's milk, and so is hanging around with a woman during her period.

Sinners!
 
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Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again

another dodge we are waiting for you to answer the topic question
I directly challenge you. In your next post please provide facts that support the lie that the SSM ruling factually impacts Christianity . . .or any religious rights, can you do it? if so please do so in your next post. thanks.
facts win again
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

another dodge we are waiting for you to answer the topic question
I directly challenge you. In your next post please provide facts that support the lie that the SSM ruling factually impacts Christianity . . .or any religious rights, can you do it? if so please do so in your next post. thanks.
facts win again

Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again

so thats a no, you cant answer the question, thanks for dodging it and proving me right we knew you wouldnt answer. lol
fact remains SSM doesnt factually impact Christianity or any religious rights and that lie is exposed
you post fails and facts win again
 
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so thats a no, you cant answer the question, thanks for dodging it and proving me right we knew you wouldnt answer. lol
fact remains SSM doesnt factually impact Christianity or any religious rights and that lie is exposed
you post fails and facts win again

Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

Translation: you know you failed argument is destroyed so you deflect. that's what I thought LMAO
your post fails and facts win again

Weird that doesnt answer the question, why do you keep dodging?
in your next post In your next post please provide facts that support the lie that the SSM ruling factually impacts Christianity . . .or any religious rights
hint: there are no facts that support that lie
facts win again
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

Pls read again. I'm not saying that. I'm explaining how the SSM ruling impacts Christianity.

"It impacts how we spread the gospel!" Well, too bad.
 
Re: SSM Ruling IMPACTS CHRISTIANITY!

Your decayed continent is welcome to all the ones taking up space here. They could help the local self-hating white leftists as they work with Muslim immigrants to Islamize one European country after another.

LOL. Leftists generally dispise the anti gay, anti women nature of Islam. But we do respect religious freedom. That's not the same as encouraging or condoning Islamisation. But you wouldn't understand that.
 
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