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Presbyterian Paster: Christ's Redemption Also For Machines

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Presbyterian Pastor: Christ's Redemption Also For Machines

It may be time to think about baptizing the Terminator, according to Reverend Christopher Benek, an associate Pastor at First Presbyterian Church in Fort Lauderdale, who believes that religion may help artificial intelligence live alongside human beings.

“I don’t see Christ’s redemption limited to human beings,” he asserts. “It’s redemption to all of creation, even AI.”

“If AI is autonomous, then we have should encourage it to participate in Christ’s redemptive purposes in the world,” he said.

According to some scientists, Benek’s statements aren’t merely hypothetical. British theoretical astrophysicist Sir Martin Rees, for instance, believes that artificial intelligence is progressing at a frenetic pace, so the question of human-machine relations may be just around the corner.

One of the world’s most prominent astronomers, Rees says that by some estimates, the process will begin in the next 25 years as robots begin to achieve intelligence rivaling that of humans.

This isn’t necessarily good news, Rees says. He thinks that AI may be leading humanity towards its ultimate destruction and that we may soon be entering an “inorganic post-human era.”

The current century presents problems never faced before, Rees contends. For nearly all of earth’s history, threats have come from nature, but from now on, the worst dangers come from humanity – specifically artificial intelligence.

All of this means that good relations with our mechanized brethren may be more urgent than ever. Enter Rev. Benek, who thinks that preaching the message of Christ’s redemption to machines might just hold the key to keeping computers and humans on a friendly basis.

The possibility of machines acquiring intelligence has led to speculation regarding their spiritual souls as well, thought by many to be linked to the faculty of reason.

Marvin Minksy, an MIT professor and a pioneer in the field of artificial intelligence, has said that he sees no reason why a computer couldn’t have a soul. The 86-year-old Minsky advised Stanley Kubric for the making of his film 2001: A Space Odyssey and just received a $1 million Dan David award at Tel Aviv University.

Minksy believes that intelligence is nothing more than the sum of many non-intelligent parts, so he sees no reason why computers could not eventually replicate even the most human aspects of humanity—even to the possession of what many would call a “soul.”

So if machines could have a soul, could they become Christians?

Kind of an interesting idea.

If a machine could, in fact, reason on - or above - the level of a human being, I wouldn't necessarily see any reason to assume that it could not understand God's word.
 
Presbyterian Pastor: Christ's Redemption Also For Machines



Kind of an interesting idea.

If a machine could, in fact, reason on - or above - the level of a human being, I wouldn't necessarily see any reason to assume that it could not understand God's word.

Hey, then people can program the machine to be more inclined to accept one religion over another.. and well.. then you will have programers making malware and viruses to convert different machines from religion to another. Won't that be fun
 
Presbyterian Pastor: Christ's Redemption Also For Machines



Kind of an interesting idea.

If a machine could, in fact, reason on - or above - the level of a human being, I wouldn't necessarily see any reason to assume that it could not understand God's word.

I'm not sure what the most troubling part of this article is:

1. The fact that an MIT engineer is cited as a subject matter expert on the human soul (as opposed to say...a theologian, philosopher, or even a comparative religion scholar...you know...someone with actual expertise in the topic).
2. The fact that someone considers what one random pastor in Florida says worthy of national discussion.
3. The fact the article clearly mischaracterizes what the pastor actually said.
4. The fact the source of what he says is an interview with crackpot and fringe presidential candidate Zoltan Istvan.
5. The fact this link is to an article on Breitbart.
 
Presbyterian Pastor: Christ's Redemption Also For Machines



Kind of an interesting idea.

If a machine could, in fact, reason on - or above - the level of a human being, I wouldn't necessarily see any reason to assume that it could not understand God's word.




Personally I think this is jumping the gun by a generation or two.


We're just about at the point where an AI can fool a human into thinking they're talking to a human... at least through text interface. Some AI programs can get pretty darn clever. In another 20 years I wouldn't be shocked to see AI expert systems replacing a lot of lower level engineers and such.


But there's a vast gap between simulated intelligence and real full sapience... self-awareness and abstract thinking. We will know we're there when we tell an AI to do something and it says "What's in it for me?" (without being programmed to say that).


I think that is still a long way off, if indeed we ever get there.


Now assuming for a moment that it happens at some point... real true AI, fully sapient, fully self-aware, capable of saying "I think, therefore stop trying to reprogram me!" And the question of whether machines can have souls comes up.

Well technically speaking in some references mankind is referred to as a triune being: body, soul and spirit. The term "soul" in that context refers to the mind and intellect, whereas "spirit" refers to the immortal spirit that is connected to God.

Whether a machine can have a spirit that is connected to God is a huge question for religion, and one I expect many will disagree on if the time ever comes to ask such a question. Given that humanity was created by God and endowed with an immortal spirit, whether some possibly-"living" machine intelligence made BY humanity could be endowed with such a spirit is very dubious and questionable.


But entertaining the question without necessarily accepting it.... my chief interest would be whether the full-sapient AI would express an interest in such things, or whether it would choose to believe it had an immortal soul, and so forth. There is one school of thought that says "Only those who have a soul are concerned about them."
 
the question of whether machines can have souls comes up.

That's not a question that came up in that article.

The question addressed was "do we teach religion to machines that have the ability to think for themselves?". The reason given by the pastor isn't so that their souls can be saved (in all likelihood, they don't even have a soul). The reason is so that they can take part in God's redemptive work. If you have machines that can think and are capable of acting autonomously, then you would want to use them to: help the poor and downtrodden, care for the orphans and widows, care for the environment, spread the gospel, advocate for justice and peace, etc. Since they are autonomous, one of the simplest ways to do this is to teach them moral systems, such as Christianity that have such values at their core. That's what is actually being discussed in the article. I fully agree with him. If we had the capacity, we shouldn't just create machines that can make war, but also machines that make peace and spread love.

Having said that, I'm not sure we should be in the business of creating any kind of artificial intelligence to begin with. It's dangerous to create something you can't contain and maintain control over. It's probably not a risk worth taking. But if it's going to be done anyway, then yes, teach them religion.
 
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