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Women in Christianity

Declan

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"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says." 1 Corinthians 14:34

"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, " Act 10:34


So God is impartial or he is not, and it would appear that Bible contradicts itself on the issue of women.

What are the implications for women who make a joyful noise unto the Lord?
 
Christianity is an ala carte religion, which is one of the reasons for its popularity. Pick the section you like and ignore the one that contradicts it.
 
I'll play devil's (er....god's?) advocate on this one, just to keep this interesting, lol.

The argument could be made that the primary point from Corinthians is that it's important to follow the LAW. That it's not so much about a woman's place, as it is about obeying the law.




Now, to go back to my USUAL role, then we have the issue that the bible also places a much higher priority on God's laws, than on mans. So it's meh.
 
I'll play devil's (er....god's?) advocate on this one, just to keep this interesting, lol.

The argument could be made that the primary point from Corinthians is that it's important to follow the LAW. That it's not so much about a woman's place, as it is about obeying the law.




Now, to go back to my USUAL role, then we have the issue that the bible also places a much higher priority on God's laws, than on mans. So it's meh.

If a Catholic woman participates in confession then is she not condemning herself for daring to speak inside a church?
 
If a Catholic woman participates in confession then is she not condemning herself for daring to speak inside a church?

Well, again, to play the advocate...you have to take this in the context of time period. Women silent in the church refers to women speaking during discourse and the like. Churches were, and in some place, still are...meeting places. Church = town hall. It was this way for centuries. Court was held in church. Everything of any import was announced at church. In such an environment, no, women were not granted to speak, because they had no voice in society. BECAUSE of religion. Confession? That's fine. Because that's private, and not about anything of any real import to the town.
 
Well, again, to play the advocate...you have to take this in the context of time period. Women silent in the church refers to women speaking during discourse and the like. Churches were, and in some place, still are...meeting places. Church = town hall. It was this way for centuries. Court was held in church. Everything of any import was announced at church. In such an environment, no, women were not granted to speak, because they had no voice in society. BECAUSE of religion. Confession? That's fine. Because that's private, and not about anything of any real import to the town.

But we do not live in that time period, and the Bible's rules are rules or they are not rules. Since I do not recall Jesus saying"....at least for now. In the future people can just do what they want" perhaps you could point out a Bible verse that gives women a reprieve from the law once they burned their bras and started voting and such.
 
You should probably distinguish between what Jesus said and what Paul said. As for women speaking during confession, I don't think you understand how all this works.
 
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says." 1 Corinthians 14:34

"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, " Act 10:34


So God is impartial or he is not, and it would appear that Bible contradicts itself on the issue of women.

What are the implications for women who make a joyful noise unto the Lord?

Peters comment had nothing to do with gender.... so i'm not sure where you're seeing the contradiction.
Peter was talking of Gods judgement of all people of all nations....

IOW, if they do right by God, according to his laws... he'll judge them accordingly, no matter who they are or where they are from..
 
Peters comment had nothing to do with gender.... so i'm not sure where you're seeing the contradiction.
Peter was talking of Gods judgement of all people of all nations....

IOW, if they do right by God, according to his laws... he'll judge them accordingly, no matter who they are or where they are from..



In a sermon I heard many years ago, the preacher pointed out that Paul was addressing a specific congregation of believers who had had problems with certain women disrupting services in a disorderly manner, and that this was the reason for this statement, and that it wasn't to be taken as a general commandment. He had a lot of background material backing up his position... pity it was so long ago I can't remember it very well.
 
You should probably distinguish between what Jesus said and what Paul said. As for women speaking during confession, I don't think you understand how all this works.

the "silent women" thing is generally thought to be concerning women teaching the word in church... I've never heard it argued that it means women must not make any noise while in church.
well... until now , that is.:lol:
 
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says." 1 Corinthians 14:34

"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, " Act 10:34


So God is impartial or he is not, and it would appear that Bible contradicts itself on the issue of women.

What are the implications for women who make a joyful noise unto the Lord?

It has to do with their teaching authority during public worship. Look at the way that Priscilla is mentioned in Acts: she's not condemned, far from it.
 
You should probably distinguish between what Jesus said and what Paul said. As for women speaking during confession, I don't think you understand how all this works.

There is no contradiction between Jesus and the inspired writings of St. Paul.
 
I didn't say that there was; I said that there was a difference. This is why in many Bibles, what Jesus said is printed in red.
 
In a sermon I heard many years ago, the preacher pointed out that Paul was addressing a specific congregation of believers who had had problems with certain women disrupting services in a disorderly manner, and that this was the reason for this statement, and that it wasn't to be taken as a general commandment. He had a lot of background material backing up his position... pity it was so long ago I can't remember it very well.

bingo this is exactly what it was about.

the church at Corinth was having major issues. Corinth being the root word of corrupt.
it was a major port city and it was about as corrupt as things got.

the church there had so many issues that Paul wrote 2 letters to them.

at the writing of this letter and this passage there were many issues and the women of the church were causing more problems. they were introducing pagan rituals and other things into the course of the services. so paul laid down the rules of how people should be conducting themselves.

This is a better view of Paul's view on the situation.

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

now before anyone goes off the wall and says well it says subject. The word subject in this context means respect.
a wife should respect her husbands authority as head of the household.

in the opposite husbands are to love their wives that they would be willing to lay down their lives for her.

in proverbs it says that a virtuous women is more valuable than rare gems (better translation).
 
I didn't say that there was; I said that there was a difference. This is why in many Bibles, what Jesus said is printed in red.

It's not as if Jesus Himself wrote the words. The Gospels are just as authoritative as the inspired letters of St. Paul. There is no difference.
 
"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says." 1 Corinthians 14:34

"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, " Act 10:34


So God is impartial or he is not, and it would appear that Bible contradicts itself on the issue of women.

What are the implications for women who make a joyful noise unto the Lord?

If a Catholic woman participates in confession then is she not condemning herself for daring to speak inside a church?

The passage isn't calling for absolute silence. Simply that women hold their peace in matters of "official" Church discussion.

i.e. No female preachers/priests.
 
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"Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says." 1 Corinthians 14:34

"So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, " Act 10:34


So God is impartial or he is not, and it would appear that Bible contradicts itself on the issue of women.

What are the implications for women who make a joyful noise unto the Lord?

Here is the explanation for that:

Answer:
First Corinthians 14:33–35 states, “As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”
At first glance, this seems to be a blanket command that women are never allowed to speak at all in the church. However, earlier in the same epistle (1 Corinthians 11:5), Paul mentions women’s praying and prophesying as allowable activities, and we know that older women are to teach younger women (Titus 2:4).
Therefore, 1 Corinthians 14:33–35 must not be an absolute command for women to always be silent in church.

The concern of 1 Corinthians 14, and much of the epistle, is order and structure in the church. The Corinthian church was noted for the chaos and lack of order rampant in that assembly (verse 33).


Part of the confusion in the Corinthian church included women speaking in tongues and prophesying; these women were taking the lead in the services instead of being submissive to the authorities in the church (see 1 Timothy 2:11–15). Apparently, certain women in the Corinthian church were also out of order in disruptively asking questions during the already chaotic services.
God’s instruction through Paul is that the women should “keep silent in the churches” (1 Corinthians 14:34); the immediate context is prophesying (verses 29–33), and the broader context would include tongues-speaking (verses 27–28).This rule is for “all the congregations of the saints” (verse 33), not just for Corinth. If anyone truly has the gift of prophecy, he or she will recognize the apostle Paul’s authority in this matter (verses 36–38).

The command of 1 Corinthians 14:34 is not that women be absolutely silent in the church all the time. It is only saying that women should not participate in the giving of prophecy, the speaking of tongues, or the interpreting of tongues in the general assembly. These are teaching functions in the church and are thus authoritative; such roles are reserved for men (see 1 Timothy 2:11–12).

Women can take many roles in the church and are “co-workers” in the ministry (Philippians 4:3).

The one restriction is that they do not assume a role of spiritual authority over adult men.



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