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I've tried to put myself in shoes of Christian parents who face the reality of having gay offsprings, and couldn't imagine how to find the right words to deal with it, without compromising religious beliefs, yet at the same time, showing love and compassion.

I've stumbled on WRETCHED. The second letter is how love sounds.




 
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God doesn't give you your children to judge them, Tosca; He lends them to you to love. You surely understand "Hate the sin, but love the sinner."
 
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nota bene said:
God doesn't give you your children to judge them, Tosca; He lends them to you to love. You surely understand "Hate the sin, but love the sinner."
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No, not to judge them. But, we're supposed to teach them....to bring them to God.
That's the reason they were given to parents and caregivers.


It's about how to talk to them....without pushing them away.
Most especially, without compromising the dictates of God.

That's the hard part I suppose - finding the right words to say. The balancing.

I might end up facing the same dilemma faced by parents some day , who knows.....the second letter gave me the inspiration. I hope it gives others too.
 
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All you can do is rear your children in the ways of the Lord, Tosca. You cannot control who they are or what they become. And you would do well to remember too that there are gay people who are also sincere Christians.
 
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nota bene said:
All you can do is rear your children in the ways of the Lord, Tosca. You cannot control who they are or what they become. And you would do well to remember too that there are gay people who are also sincere Christians.
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Have you watched the video? Listened to the second letter?

How does one rear children in the ways of the Lord? I don't understand where you're coming from.

Anyway, what exactly is a "sincere" Christian?
 
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Never mind, Tosca. You're being willfully obtuse here, and I can conclude only that this is only because what I've said doesn't fit your agenda of pretending to be compassionate while condemning one sin over another. Or perhaps you simply don't have kids yourself and are theorizing here?
 
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Jesse Booth said:
One who follows the dictates of Christianity and has the personality trait known as sincerity? What kind of question was that?
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Where do we base the dictates of Christianity?
If one is a sincere Christian, whose teachings do we base that upon?
 
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I think the second letter is worse than the first. At least the first one is honest. The second one is passive-aggressive to the point of being control freaky.
 
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For some reason I get the feeling that I'm being rebuked, or something.....or maybe not at all. :lol:


Can you please explain to me what's wrong with this statement in the OP?


how to find the right words to deal with it, without compromising religious beliefs,

yet at the same time, showing love and compassion.
 
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If you ever have to deal with it, have confidence that the Holy Spirit will give you the words.
 
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Declan said:
I think the second letter is worse than the first. At least the first one is honest. The second one is passive-aggressive to the point of being control freaky.
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Are you a Christian?
 
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nota bene said:
If you ever have to deal with it, have confidence that the Holy Spirit will give you the words.
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How do we know this video isn't one of the many ways by God to show us inspiration? We need not say them verbatim - but we get an idea how to deal with it.

Perhaps, having a son to suddenly announce he's gay is like a bomb exploding in parents' faces who's never had any inkling at all - it must be like getting shell-shocked. The first few words to come out of parents' mouths could be deadly to the relationship with their son.

I think it/s practical for us to muse how we'll handle that situation if ever it arises. I surely wouldn't want to sever my relationship with my son....and I'd like for him to understand that my love for him hasn't lessened.
 
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Declan said:
How does that matter?
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Read the OP.

You have to put yourself in the shoes of Christians who have to do the "balancing" which means, they need not compromise their belief.

Some parents faced with this situation end up doing that - like that Rep US senator (?) who recently became a proponent for gay marriage when his son came out of the closet.
 
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tosca1 said:
Where do we base the dictates of Christianity?
If one is a sincere Christian, whose teachings do we base that upon?
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I suppose the dictates of Christianity would be the Ten Commandments. Since there's so many different interpretations of the Bible, those, and the belief in Jesus Christ, are the only criteria we can categorize Christianity with. By my logic, I suppose anybody who honestly tries to live a life in accordance with the teachings of their chosen Christian denomination is a sincere Christian.
 
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tosca1 said:
I've tried to put myself in shoes of Christian parents who face the reality of having gay offsprings, and couldn't imagine how to find the right words to deal with it, without compromising religious beliefs, yet at the same time, showing love and compassion.

I've stumbled on WRETCHED. The second letter is how love sounds.




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I don't see where it would compromise Christian beliefs to leave the issue alone. The bible says to let he who is without sin cast the first stone. It also says we are all sinners. So, both being established, no human has the right, per the bible, to cast any stones. It's not your job to judge. It's your job to love. People get so caught up in enforcing the bible that they seldom realize that defeats the whole purpose of the bible.
 
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tosca1 said:
I've tried to put myself in shoes of Christian parents who face the reality of having gay offsprings, and couldn't imagine how to find the right words to deal with it, without compromising religious beliefs, yet at the same time, showing love and compassion.

I've stumbled on WRETCHED. The second letter is how love sounds.




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It's their lives. If they want to use them to earn a place in Hell? Let them. ;)
 
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tosca1 said:
Read the OP.

You have to put yourself in the shoes of Christians who have to do the "balancing" which means, they need not compromise their belief.

Some parents faced with this situation end up doing that - like that Rep US senator (?) who recently became a proponent for gay marriage when his son came out of the closet.
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None of that changes that the second letter sounds just as awful as the first. The POV of the writer is that their son cannot be gay and a Christian which is balderdash.
 
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Jesse Booth said:
I suppose the dictates of Christianity would be the Ten Commandments.
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The 10 Commandments are the basis for guidance but they're not the only commands of God by any means.


Since there's so many different interpretations of the Bible, those, and the belief in Jesus Christ, are the only criteria we can categorize Christianity with. By my logic, I suppose anybody who honestly tries to live a life in accordance with the teachings of their chosen Christian denomination is a sincere Christian.
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One may be a sincere Christian....but the onus is on the person to discern what teachings are false.

A denomination may call itself Christian - but, is it?

If one does not acknowledge ALL the teachings of Christ, how can there be sincerity in that? Which dictate do we follow - Christ (even if it isn't palatable to us), or society's dictates? Do we conform to this world?
Anyway, that's why I asked what exactly is a "sincere" Christian. That's my point.
 
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tosca1 said:
The 10 Commandments are the basis for guidance but they're not the only commands of God by any means.




One may be a sincere Christian....but the onus is on the person to discern what teachings are false.

A denomination may call itself Christian - but, is it?

If one does not acknowledge ALL the teachings of Christ, how can there be sincerity in that? Which dictate do we follow - Christ (even if it isn't palatable to us), or society's dictates? Do we conform to this world?
Anyway, that's why I asked what exactly is a "sincere" Christian. That's my point.
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It's an interesting philosophical question, I'll give you that. I'm going to have to think a bit more about this one.
 
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nota bene said:
Never mind, Tosca. You're being willfully obtuse here, and I can conclude only that this is only because what I've said doesn't fit your agenda of pretending to be compassionate while condemning one sin over another. Or perhaps you simply don't have kids yourself and are theorizing here?
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What is wrong with this statement, nota bene?

how to find the right words to deal with it, without compromising religious beliefs, yet at the same time, showing love and compassion.


True, our children aren't ours but were entrusted to us by God.

Do you disagree that a parent's primary role is to bring his child to Christ?

ANSWER THAT QUESTION.



How am I being obtuse?




and I can conclude only that this is only because what I've said doesn't fit your agenda of pretending to be compassionate while condemning one sin over another.
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wow. On one hand you're talking about not to judge....and yet, you've judged me that I'm only pretending to be compassionate.

What "condemning one sin over the other?" What on earth are you talking about?

You're not making any sense. For some reasons I get the feeling that I've stepped on your toes somehow.
 
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nota bene said:
God doesn't give you your children to judge them, Tosca; He lends them to you to love. You surely understand "Hate the sin, but love the sinner."
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If we truly love others, then we must correct them when they are in error (1 Corinthians 1:11; Galatians 6:1). How else can we obey verses like 1 Corinthians 5:11–13; 6:4; 2 Thessalonians 3:6; 1 Timothy 6:20; or Titus 3:9? It is our responsibility to teach proper teachings and use our discernment.

TeleKat said:
So, both being established, no human has the right, per the bible, to cast any stones. It's not your job to judge. It's your job to love.
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You are correct when you allude to the fallibility of human judgement. However, the crux of your comment is incorrect. Human infallibility does not mean that we cannot judge; it rather means that we cannot judge incorrectly or without judging ourselves first. We must rely on God's Word and not our own.

“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24).
 
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nota bene

Or perhaps you simply don't have kids yourself and are theorizing here?
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Why is that relevant? Don't I make any sense?
 
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TeleKat said:
I don't see where it would compromise Christian beliefs to leave the issue alone.
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How can you leave the issue alone if you're the one facing that dilemma? As a Christian, you've got your responsibilities as a parent to your child - and your other children!


The bible says to let he who is without sin cast the first stone. It also says we are all sinners. So, both being established, no human has the right, per the bible, to cast any stones. It's not your job to judge. It's your job to love. People get so caught up in enforcing the bible that they seldom realize that defeats the whole purpose of the bible.
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You're misinterpreting that verse about casting stone. The Christian parent's primary role is to teach their children and bring them to Christ.

And no, to say that an act is wrong isn't the kind of judgement in that verse you're referring to.
What? You're saying we should just let murderers or rapists alone......don't even say they're committing crimes, or doing something wrong?
 
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