Do you believe Jesus??? [W:170]

Bodhisattva said:

Weren't you debating that Jesus's words, the Bible, are true and could prove it? Seems you were...

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Yes, I gave you the method to prove them way back in this thread. What I meant above was no scientific proof. You can however prove it to yourself. I doubt it's anything you would consider. You've evaded so many things in our discussions back and forth, it's hardly been a discussion.

Cable said:

Yes, I gave you the method to prove them way back in this thread. What I meant above was no scientific proof. You can however prove it to yourself. I doubt it's anything you would consider. You've evaded so many things in our discussions back and forth, it's hardly been a discussion.

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Pretty sure I have answered every single question or point that you have made and that you have been the one that certainly evaded my points, as in the big post above where I bring up some the the logistical issues with God, the size of the universe, time frame of humanity, etc.

Bodhisattva said:

Pretty sure I have answered every single question or point that you have made and that you have been the one that certainly evaded my points, as in the big post above where I bring up some the the logistical issues with God, the size of the universe, time frame of humanity, etc.

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OK. I may have mixed you up with Ramross. My apologies if I have.
Your argument above simply says common sense proves to you there is no God.
In my experience, uncommon sense proves there is. There is nothing really to answer in your long post, although I did take a short jab at it.
In the end it's what you think vs. what I think.

My point about your perspective is that nothing would matter. There is no good or evil except what each individual wants to call good or evil.
There is no right or wrong way to spend one's life, as there is no ultimate goal or purpose. We are born, we live, we die, the end.
So in fact, if your philosophy is truth, then it would allow for my philosophy as well, because it won't matter either way in the long run.

Cable said:

OK. I may have mixed you up with Ramross. My apologies if I have.
Your argument above simply says common sense proves to you there is no God.
In my experience, uncommon sense proves there is. There is nothing really to answer in your long post, although I did take a short jab at it.
In the end it's what you think vs. what I think.

My point about your perspective is that nothing would matter. There is no good or evil except what each individual wants to call good or evil.
There is no right or wrong way to spend one's life, as there is no ultimate goal or purpose. We are born, we live, we die, the end.
So in fact, if your philosophy is truth, then it would allow for my philosophy as well, because it won't matter either way in the long run.

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All good... in the end we are both open to the possibilitiies, it seems.

Bodhisattva said:

All good... in the end we are both open to the possibilitiies, it seems.

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Yes, I am open to the truth. I think it would be foolish to be anything less. The sticky wicket with faith in God is that the truth (proven fact) may come after you pass from this life. The indication from the bible is that at this point it's too late to make up your mind. That is why it is so important to me to try to understand it and make my decision to the best of my ability today.
There are many that say "I will wait and see, I won't believe anything that I can't see hard scientific evidence for today."
If scientific evidence were the only evidence I might understand and agree with that perspective.
But there are very important things in life that are not scientifically provable. We touched on this with love (our our children or others).
Sure you can prove your significant others are here and show you some forms of affection, but love itself is an emotion or feeling, not a thing you can put under a microscope.
Similarly justice is a state that isn't hard and fastly available for scrutiny.
These things can live in the spiritual world and indicate we have a spiritual side, not just a physical or carnal side.

This is why we have issues when atheists indicate that Christians shouldn't vote "their religion," never understanding that they are voting their "religion" of no spirituality.
While I certainly agree that Christians should never make a law that says all must bow down to Christ, I recognize that my bellow believers in Christ should be able to vote about activities they are morally obligated to uphold.
Almost everyone can agree that we should have laws that protect children from sexual predators. But not all agree we should protect society from other sexually deviations from the forms God created.
I'm not trying to illustrate what sexual things we should approve, but trying to illustrate why one person votes one way, and the other person votes the other way, based on their faith.
Atheists claim they have no faith, but in effect they have actually made a faith choice when they say I will not let a spiritual concern govern my life decisions to any degree. Their faith is that no spiritual side should be given play. It should not be considered to be a reality.

So it is a very important personal question, and one we all must make as individuals. This personal decision does however have an effect on our society. This is why it is so fraught with passionate contention.

Unlike the Islamic State, I understand that I can't force others to believe what I believe. But I can appeal to others reason. This is what we do.

Do I believe Jesus? - Yes.
But do I believe any of you?



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