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Is the Pope getting erratic? If so, what can be done by Catholic tradition?

Paxaeon said:
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First line... "In general, marriages between non-Catholics, of whatever religion, are considered valid". After that, it lists the exceptions to that. If you would have read Title TITLE VII. MARRIAGE (Cann. 1055 - 1165), Chapters I, II and III, it says basically the same thing. Christian Marriages outside the Catholic Church are valid so long as certain rules are not violated such as:

1/ a marriage of transients;
2/ a marriage which cannot be recognized or celebrated according to the norm of civil law;
3/ a marriage of a person who is bound by natural obligations toward another party or children arising from a previous union;
4/ a marriage of a person who has notoriously rejected the Catholic faith;
5/ a marriage of a person who is under a censure;
6/ a marriage of a minor child when the parents are unaware or reasonably opposed;​

You haven't proved a thing except that you're stubborn.
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The burden of proof is on you to know what the heck you are talking about in the first place.
 
Paxaeon said:
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Since you were the one who initially stated I was wrong, the onus is on you to prove it. As I pointed out, the Catholic Code of Cannon Law specifically stated that "Christian marriage" has "the essential properties of unity and indissolubility" and therefor is recognized outside of the Catholic sacramental union.
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I was not the one who stated you were wrong, but context is important to quotes and quotes out of context are easily misunderstood or applied erroneously.

Can. 1055 §1. The matrimonial covenant, by which a man and a woman establish between themselves a partnership of the whole of life and which is ordered by its nature to the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring, has been raised by Christ the Lord to the dignity of a sacrament between the baptized.

§2. For this reason, a valid matrimonial contract cannot exist between the baptized without it being by that fact a sacrament.

Can. 1056 The essential properties of marriage are unity and indissolubility, which in Christian marriage obtain a special firmness by reason of the sacrament.
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So without the Sacrament of marriage there is not a valid matrimonial contract.

Again context is critical.
 
gilbertc1908 said:
I was not the one who stated you were wrong, but context is important to quotes and quotes out of context are easily misunderstood or applied erroneously. So without the Sacrament of marriage there is not a valid matrimonial contract. Again context is critical.
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You speak of context then deliberately avoid mentioning CHAPTER I, Can. 1063 to Can. 1082 which allows for dispensations in marriages not strictly prohibited in TITLE VII. MARRIAGE (Cann. 1055 - 1165), Moreover, Canon law specifically states "Christian Marriages" not "Catholic Marriages" when it comes to recognized marriages and allowable dispensations.
 
Paxaeon said:
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You speak of context then deliberately avoid mentioning CHAPTER I, Can. 1063 to Can. 1082 which allows for dispensations in marriages not strictly prohibited in TITLE VII. MARRIAGE (Cann. 1055 - 1165), Moreover, Canon law specifically states "Christian Marriages" not "Catholic Marriages" when it comes to recognized marriages and allowable dispensations.
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Let me help you with this one since you clearly are confused. To be married in Catholic Church is one of the Sacraments, therefore one of the two folks must be a Catholic and both must be baptized Christians (Christian marriage).

Two Catholics in good standing marrying in a Catholic Church by a Catholic priest and satisfying the proper steps valid Catholic Sacrament of marriage.
A Catholic gets married to another baptized Christian in a Catholic Church by a Catholic priest and satisfying the proper steps (Christian marriage if you will), valid Catholic Sacrament of marriage.
Catholic marrying a Christian in a non-Catholic ceremony without first gaining the proper specific permissions in concert with their future spouse, valid natural marriage not recognized by the Catholic Church as a Sacramental rite so not a valid Catholic marriage.
Catholic marrying a non-Christian even in a Catholic ceremony is a not a valid Catholic Sacramental marriage. is a valid legal or natural marriage.
Two Lutherans marrying in a Lutheran ceremony, valid natural marriage, not a valid Catholic Sacrament of marriage.

This should make it a bit simpler for those seeking to understand the nuance.
 
gilbertc1908 said:
Let me help you with this one since you clearly are confused. To be married in Catholic Church is one of the Sacraments, therefore one of the two folks must be a Catholic and both must be baptized Christians (Christian marriage).

Two Catholics in good standing marrying in a Catholic Church by a Catholic priest and satisfying the proper steps valid Catholic Sacrament of marriage.
A Catholic gets married to another baptized Christian in a Catholic Church by a Catholic priest and satisfying the proper steps (Christian marriage if you will), valid Catholic Sacrament of marriage.
Catholic marrying a Christian in a non-Catholic ceremony without first gaining the proper specific permissions in concert with their future spouse, valid natural marriage not recognized by the Catholic Church as a Sacramental rite so not a valid Catholic marriage.
Catholic marrying a non-Christian even in a Catholic ceremony is a not a valid Catholic Sacramental marriage. is a valid legal or natural marriage. Two Lutherans marrying in a Lutheran ceremony, valid natural marriage, not a valid Catholic Sacrament of marriage.
This should make it a bit simpler for those seeking to understand the nuance.
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I'm not a "Canon Lawyer", I'm not even a Catholic. I only know what I was taught. To that extent, I'm over my head in this discussion. As I have no Canon Lawyers available, my next step is to find an online source that explains canon law to me, and for that I use "Canon Law Made Easy" and in particular, the question; Catholics in Non-Sacramental Marriages. It states plainly that Catholics are restricted, not banned, and require dispensations at the local level. It even lists the same article of Canon Law I posted here.

Through all of it, it is still my understanding that the Catholic Church recognizes marriages between non-Catholics to be valid BUT it only becomes problematic when a Catholic marries a non-Catholic.
 
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