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Scott Hahn on Revelation

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This book came out a few years ago - it's not the first one I have read that says this, but it's the easiest to lay your hands on. Protestants have been sitting on their suitcases waiting for the "end times" and the rapture for as long as I can remember, I believed it myself at one time, and it was one of the hardest thing for me to let go. Here is the review of the book "The Lamb's Supper: The Mass As Heaven On Earth" by the editor of the National Catholic Register:

Around the year 95, the Roman government banished a Christian to a rocky penal colony in the Aegean Sea for the capital crime of prophesying.
The sentence did not have the desired effect.

From the isolated island, Patmos, the Christian, a man named John, went right on foretelling the future. Only now, instead of addressing small bands of hiding church members in hushed and rushed meetings, he had time to write out full accounts of his offending visions. These centered around the return of a deceased Jewish man -- an obscure, itinerant religious teacher who had been tortured and executed as a criminal six decades prior -- as king of all creation.

...John made it clear that his revelations were to be read immediately by the addressee churches (seven congregations in Asia). His goal in writing seemed to be exhorting his brothers and sisters in the Christian faith to persevere no matter how severely they might be persecuted for their beliefs and practices. That didn't mean John made the precise significance of his letters obvious. He had to couch some of his visualizations in code language because despotic emperors of the day demanded to be worshiped as gods by citizens and subjects alike. John would have been swiftly silenced had a Nero, Caligula or Domitian discerned that he was referring to them when he wrote of evil monsters raging against their own creator. (Using the numerical equivalents assigned to Hebrew letters, the name Nero Caesar can be converted to the number 666.)

...for Scott Hahn, a former Protestant minister who followed scriptural and historical clues all the way into the Catholic Church, identifying Revelation as a cloaked playbill to the Mass is only the beginning. Digging deeper, he unearths an essential aspect of the Mass long embedded in Catholic theology, but largely overlooked at the popular level by even the most devout Catholics in the present day: The Mass mirrors the activities going on now and eternally in heaven. "We go to heaven when we go to Mass," writes Hahn, a theology professor at Franciscan University of Steubenville. "This is not merely a symbol, not a metaphor, not a parable, not a figure of speech. It is real."

With this, his third book, Hahn, whose speaking voice is familiar to thousands, seems to be hitting his stride as an author. On these pages, as in his live presentations, he relays even the most esoteric scriptural minutiae with the enthusiasm of a sportscaster calling play-by-play at the big game. His command of the material is such that he could have written an occasionally groundbreaking scholarly commentary. But it's clear he's not interested in attracting accolades from academic circles. Instead Hahn, whose passion for teaching plainly flows from an ardent love of learning, has set his mind to imparting the riches of his findings upon hungry hearts.
The result is a shot of spiritual adrenaline for those about to attend Mass. "When Jesus comes again at the end of time, He will not have a single drop more glory than He has right now upon the altars and in the tabernacles of our churches," Hahn writes. "God dwells among Mankind right now because the Mass is heaven on earth."
Is the average, rank-and-file Catholic aware of this Church teaching? Not likely, else the mute daydreamers wouldn't outnumber the vocal participants in so many parishes. Having observed this phenomenon in light of the exuberant Protestant tradition he left behind, Hahn seems to have perceived that many regular Sunday Mass-attendees -- the ones who show up out of a dry sense of duty -- are intuitively aware of the wonder of it all. They only want for information.
Well, here it is. Richly sourced from writings of popes, theologians and Church fathers, Lamb's Supper dishes up everything Catholics need to know in order to savor the Mass as a vivid and revitalizing experience.

"I want to make clear that the idea behind this book is nothing new, and it's certainly not mine," writes Hahn. "It's as old as the Church, and the Church has never let go of it. ... [Yet] this idea, that the Mass is `heaven on earth,' arrives [today] as news, very good news."
So does this book. Don't miss it.

David Pearson is features editor of the National Catholic Register.

Edited for length.
 
I've always had a fascination with the end-times and prophecies in general. I believe there will be an end-time and it won't be pretty but, I don't cherish the thought or have my bags packed. ;)
 
I've always had a fascination with the end-times and prophecies in general. I believe there will be an end-time and it won't be pretty but, I don't cherish the thought or have my bags packed. ;)

The end can come at any time for any one of us, but as far as the actual "end time" (or the second coming) most people will probably be oblivious to it anyway, so it's tough to say when to call it. I stopped worrying about it a long time ago.

The point Hahn makes in his book is that there is a great deal of insight into what Heaven is like in Revelation, but a lot of people miss it because they are too intent on reading their own preconceived notions into the text.
 
This is the one Book of the New Testament I have chosen not to read. I am just going to continue trusting my Father and standing on the promises of my Savior and doing what I personally can do, which is to pray.
 
I just checked at Amazon.com, and The Lamb's Supper: The Mass As Heaven On Earth is available and in Kindle format too.
 
This is the one Book of the New Testament I have chosen not to read. I am just going to continue trusting my Father and standing on the promises of my Savior and doing what I personally can do, which is to pray.

I was exactly like that NB, for the last 30 years. It didn't make a lot of sense to me, and I was content with not knowing the day or the hour. Then I watched this youtube video by Paul Washer on the White Throne judgement. It changed my perspective on the whole book. Now I find it quite interesting, and not really from the prophetic point of view. More toward a view of Heaven and God.

IJM, is "Mass" what protestants would call "Worship service" ?
 
I was exactly like that NB, for the last 30 years. It didn't make a lot of sense to me, and I was content with not knowing the day or the hour. Then I watched this youtube video by Paul Washer on the White Throne judgement. It changed my perspective on the whole book. Now I find it quite interesting, and not really from the prophetic point of view. More toward a view of Heaven and God.

IJM, is "Mass" what protestants would call "Worship service" ?

"Mass" is what Catholics (and by that I mean all who worship in the Catholic tradition, it's not limited to Roman Catholics) call worship. Mass is a very ancient and prescribed order of worship, Justin described it this way:

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

In our Mass, the words are almost entirely scripture, and even when they are not, they point to scripture. This is aside from the actual words of scripture that are read to the congregation. So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
I was exactly like that NB, for the last 30 years. It didn't make a lot of sense to me, and I was content with not knowing the day or the hour. Then I watched this youtube video by Paul Washer on the White Throne judgement. It changed my perspective on the whole book. Now I find it quite interesting, and not really from the prophetic point of view. More toward a view of Heaven and God.

IJM, is "Mass" what protestants would call "Worship service" ?

Far more than simple worship. It is a re-presentation of Calvary. The sacrifice of Calvary is made present to us during the Mass, and during the Mass the Son offers Himself to the Father in an unbloody manner, and Christ is made truly present under the appearance of bread and wine. It is literally Heaven on Earth. It is far more than simple worship.
 
The Book of Revelation and the Mass:

 
Have you ever been exposed to any of this as an Episcopalian, Nota Bene? Just curious.

I ask because unless I am very much mistaken, your experience in ECUSA predates my own, and what I know about it I get from my wife and some of the other long time Episcopalians.
 
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Lots to ponder. Thank you for posting this audio. I had to look up "perusia"/"presence." Which is the preferred spelling--that or "parousia"?
 
Have you ever been exposed to any of this as an Episcopalian, Nota Bene? Just curious.

I ask because unless I am very much mistaken, your experience in ECUSA predates my own, and what I know about it I get from my wife and some of the other long time Episcopalians.

Yes, I was exposed to all of it. I am no longer an Episcopalian but was reared very "High-Church" and was also graduated from a Sacred Heart school, so I am very familiar and comfortable with the liturgy.
 
This book came out a few years ago - it's not the first one I have read that says this, but it's the easiest to lay your hands on. Protestants have been sitting on their suitcases waiting for the "end times" and the rapture for as long as I can remember, I believed it myself at one time, and it was one of the hardest thing for me to let go. Here is the review of the book "The Lamb's Supper: The Mass As Heaven On Earth" by the editor of the National Catholic Register:



Edited for length.

Just as an FYI, not all Protestants believe in a pre-trib rapture.
 
Yes, I was exposed to all of it. I am no longer an Episcopalian but was reared very "High-Church" and was also graduated from a Sacred Heart school, so I am very familiar and comfortable with the liturgy.

Well, I was asking more about the revelation teaching presented here. I had not heard of this until the last few years.
 
Just as an FYI, not all Protestants believe in a pre-trib rapture.

Oh, yeah, I am aware of that. It seems like there about as many teachings on Revelation as there are people teaching it.
 
Oh, yeah, I am aware of that. It seems like there about as many teachings on Revelation as there are people teaching it.

I figured you were, just wanted the info out there for those not aware. :)

I honestly don't understand the idea of pre-trib rapture. It seems to run contrary to Scripture. Nor do I understand all those trying to predict when the end times is going to occur using numerology etc. The Bible tells us explicitly not to do that.
 
I figured you were, just wanted the info out there for those not aware. :)

I honestly don't understand the idea of pre-trib rapture. It seems to run contrary to Scripture. Nor do I understand all those trying to predict when the end times is going to occur using numerology etc. The Bible tells us explicitly not to do that.

I don't understand the idea of the rapture in general. Is Christ going to have a second coming or a second and third coming? Years ago I read a book by Pat Robertson (yeah, I know, he's gotten senile since then) and he was opposed to any rapture at all. At that time there were people talking about a pre-trib rapture, a mid-trib rapture, and a post-trib rapture.

To be honest, I don't believe any of that matters, but it is distracting.
 
I don't understand the idea of the rapture in general. Is Christ going to have a second coming or a second and third coming? Years ago I read a book by Pat Robertson (yeah, I know, he's gotten senile since then) and he was opposed to any rapture at all. At that time there were people talking about a pre-trib rapture, a mid-trib rapture, and a post-trib rapture.

I know, it's crazy. Re-instituted temple sacrifice? Huh? The Jews being obliterated in some sort of fiery Armageddon? :shock:

This Rapture's pretty cool. :D

 
I know, it's crazy. Re-instituted temple sacrifice? Huh? The Jews being obliterated in some sort of fiery Armageddon? :shock:

This Rapture's pretty cool. :D



Wow, I used to hear this song on the radio and I never knew who it was. I'm such a geek.
 
This book came out a few years ago - it's not the first one I have read that says this, but it's the easiest to lay your hands on. Protestants have been sitting on their suitcases waiting for the "end times" and the rapture for as long as I can remember, I believed it myself at one time, and it was one of the hardest thing for me to let go. Here is the review of the book "The Lamb's Supper: The Mass As Heaven On Earth" by the editor of the National Catholic Register:

Edited for length.

Whatever the spiritual meaning of revelation is ... i.e. what God intended.

The writer certainly wrote it as basically a "F-U" to Nero, the empire and the Rich and powerful of the empire, it's probably the most political book in the New Testament.

It's apocolyptic in the origional sense of the Word.
 
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