Faith and Works

ludin said:

I never said they did.

I have already explained this to you like 50 times you still don't get it so I will explain it one more time and no more. If you don't get it then you never will.
As Christians we are called to be Christ like. In fact that is the definition of a Christian. One who is like Christ.

As Christ was sinless we are called to be the same. Of course this is not possible. That is where the blood of Christ comes into effect. It wipes away the sin of the world.
It makes you righteous in the site of God.

You also have to under the culture contexts as well. in most cases He was healing the lame or someone else. that society considered that they or their parents had sinned
in order for them to have that affliction.

Click to expand...

Does that mean that no effort is required on our part? The grace is freely offered to us to make us perfect. Only the perfect can enter Heaven. We must cooperate with that grace or else we can never be perfected. God does not force it upon us.

phattonez said:

Does that mean that no effort is required on our part? The grace is freely offered to us to make us perfect. Only the perfect can enter Heaven. We must cooperate with that grace or else we can never be perfected. God does not force it upon us.

Click to expand...

you will never be perfect outside the blood of Christ. not sure what part of this you still don't understand.

ludin said:

you will never be perfect outside the blood of Christ. not sure what part of this you still don't understand.

Click to expand...

Is the blood of Christ forced on us? Can we attain Hell by refusing to try to become perfect even with His grace?

phattonez said:

Is the blood of Christ forced on us? Can we attain Hell by refusing to try to become perfect even with His grace?

Click to expand...

already been over this please read past posts not going over it again.

ludin said:

you will never be perfect outside the blood of Christ. not sure what part of this you still don't understand.

Click to expand...

Which Christian believes that you can be Perfect outsie the blood of CHrist? What denomination?

RGacky3 said:

Which Christian believes that you can be Perfect outsie the blood of CHrist? What denomination?

Click to expand...

if you would have read my post I didn't say denomination did I? no I didn't. I said some preachers are starting to preach it.

ludin said:

if you would have read my post I didn't say denomination did I? no I didn't. I said some preachers are starting to preach it.

Click to expand...

Some examples?

ludin said:

you will never be perfect outside the blood of Christ. not sure what part of this you still don't understand.

Click to expand...

Perhaps you both are seeing conflict when there really isn't much of one. Nobody is capable of perfection. Don't you both agree on this?

We are "perfected" in Christ, and not on our own merits. "Washed in the Blood," as the Baptist hymns go. Don't you both agree that it is through Christ's atoning sacrifice that we hope for eternal life/are "saved"?

Don't you both agree that gratitude for this gift requires, although I'd never thought about it quite this way, "cooperation with that grace"? That we "show forth that grace not only with our lips, but in our lives by giving up ourselves to they service and by walking before thee in holiness and righteousness all the days of our lives" (Book of Common Prayer 1928)?

I think there is more on which you agree than on which you disagree.

Here is the entire prayer:

A General Thanksgiving

Almighty God, Father of all mercies, we thine unworthy servants do give thee most humble and hearty thanks for all thy goodness and loving-kindness to us and to all men; We bless thee for our creation, preservation, and all the blessings of this life; but above all for thine inestimable love in the redemption of the world by our Lord Jesus Christ, for the means of grace, and for the hope of glory. And we beseech thee, give us that due sense of all thy mercies, that our hearts may be unfeignedly thankful, and that we show forth thy praise, not only with our lips, but in our lives; by giving up ourselves to thy service, and by walking before thee in holiness and righteousness all our days; through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom with thee and the Holy Ghost be all honour and glory, world without end. Amen. https://www.churchofengland.org/pra...-common-prayer/prayers-and-thanksgivings.aspx