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Is Mormonism a variant of Christianity, or a whole different religion?

Well then...your experience is different than mine. Maybe living in Sacramento is different than living in the Mormon heartland of SLC (I actually grew up in Murray, a suburb about 10 miles to the south). And I don't say that facetiously. My experience with Mormons outside of Utah is that they are very different than many Mormons in Utah. My experience with Mormons outside of Utah is that they actually know the teachings of the Mormon faith better than Mormons in Utah.

That's an interesting point. I'm currently being visited by three missionaries. One from Utah, one from the Phillipines, and one a Maori from New Zealand. The Utard is far more uptight about his religion, whereas the other two are more relaxed, and are more about it being a personal religious experience, rather than a bookish, churchy sort of thing.

As to the OP, Mormons, in general, will follow the teaching of Christ more often in their daily lives than any other group I've come across, so I'd say that makes them Christian. Disagreements in theology don't discount what they actually do.
 
Mormons claim to be Christians. Isn't that enough? If not, then what claim do Protestants have to Christianity? The Catholic church came first. Doesn't it get dibs?

Please explain to us why the mainline Protestant Churches are not "catholic" themselves, in the small "c" sense, that is, if you know that "catholic" really means.
 
Actually....pretty much everything he said is accurate.

Been a member since 1967, previously a Baptist.....
a lot of stuff the LDS are accused of is imaginations of a FEW members but not considered gospel by the majority.
Yes, the origin of the church has some "history", but so do all christian religions.....
 
I don't believe the Mormons accept the Nicene Creed and that is the foundational litmus test of Christianity.

That said, for all intents and purposes, they consider themselves to be a branch of Christianity, so why not accept them as one? As to the other comments about Mormonism being a con because of what some see as its dubious origins and the lack of evidence for many of their claims.... Well how is that different than Christianity, Judaism, or Islam?
if there is a single foundational litmus test of christianity, it is found in Matthew 25, the part about doing unto the least of these my brothers. Service, and charity, toward our fellow man is most important when determining the liklihood of an individual being christ-like. Anybody can profess to being a follower of Christ, those who actually obey Christ are proving their convictions.
 
Been a member since 1967, previously a Baptist.....
a lot of stuff the LDS are accused of is imaginations of a FEW members but not considered gospel by the majority.
Yes, the origin of the church has some "history", but so do all christian religions.....

I agree....but is there anything in the OP that as a current member of the Mormon church that you would dispute? In my experience, the OP was pretty accurate. (although I disagree with his premise that Mormonism is not "Christian".)
 
I agree....but is there anything in the OP that as a current member of the Mormon church that you would dispute? In my experience, the OP was pretty accurate. (although I disagree with his premise that Mormonism is not "Christian".)



My understanding is that although Mormonism incorporates some aspects of Christianity, it is more like Islam in that it forks in a completely different direction and is therefore not really a Judeo-Christian religion (though still Abrahamic). It talks of owning planets after death; that Jesus and God are separate entities (literally father and son), and that Joseph Smith is equal to Jesus as a celestial being. I have not studied Mormonism to any great extent... yes, I have mostly just watch that funky cartoon.

No way is it completely different, there are more similarities than differences. Owning planets, that is not doctrine that I know of, but more likely the musings of misguided individuals. The cartoon is an exaggeration of LDS beliefs put out by people who have a different version of indoctrination than other Christian religions. Smith is not equal to Jesus, but probably right up there with the great prophets, MOST OF WHOM had some incorrect notions of their own that they added because they wanted to.....not to mention some actions that fly in the face of current beliefs, like having multiple wives, concubines, etc.
If you want to know what a Catholic believes, do you ask a Baptist Preacher or a Catholic priest? Many "Christians" like to demean other Christian's beliefs, claiming superior knowledge from unknown sources.
 
My understanding is that although Mormonism incorporates some aspects of Christianity, it is more like Islam in that it forks in a completely different direction and is therefore not really a Judeo-Christian religion (though still Abrahamic). It talks of owning planets after death; that Jesus and God are separate entities (literally father and son), and that Joseph Smith is equal to Jesus as a celestial being. I have not studied Mormonism to any great extent... yes, I have mostly just watch that funky cartoon.

they are very well christian,though yes their direction in things is very different from other sects of jewish and christian beliefs.
 
they are very well christian,though yes their direction in things is very different from other sects of jewish and christian beliefs.

as have been posted there are huge differences between the two of them.

1. They believe that God was a man that became God by living a moral life. totally 100% unbiblical.
2. They believe that God birthed everyone including Christ and Satan with some mother again 100% unbiblical.
3. They believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers again 100% unbiblical
4. They do not believe that Jesus is God even though there is plenty of theological evidence to support the trinity regardless of what JW's say.
5. They believe in 3 heavens when the bible only mentions 1.
6. They do not believe in Hell even though Christ and the bible specifically mention that people that follow satan will go there.
7. They believe in some great apostasy that supposedly occurred even though it didn't.
8. To this date even the Mormon church has found 0 evidence to support the historical accuracy of what the book of Mormon claims in terms of people and civilizations.

so yea there is a huge splinter between the two of them. not saying Mormons are bad people in fact many of them are very nice and kind, however they have a very skewed
view of the bible based on what joseph smith says vs what Jesus and the bible says.
 
as have been posted there are huge differences between the two of them.

1. They believe that God was a man that became God by living a moral life. totally 100% unbiblical.
2. They believe that God birthed everyone including Christ and Satan with some mother again 100% unbiblical.
3. They believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers again 100% unbiblical
4. They do not believe that Jesus is God even though there is plenty of theological evidence to support the trinity regardless of what JW's say.
5. They believe in 3 heavens when the bible only mentions 1.
6. They do not believe in Hell even though Christ and the bible specifically mention that people that follow satan will go there.
7. They believe in some great apostasy that supposedly occurred even though it didn't.
8. To this date even the Mormon church has found 0 evidence to support the historical accuracy of what the book of Mormon claims in terms of people and civilizations.

so yea there is a huge splinter between the two of them. not saying Mormons are bad people in fact many of them are very nice and kind, however they have a very skewed
view of the bible based on what joseph smith says vs what Jesus and the bible says.

We've been over most of these claims before. Continuing to repeat them only harms your own credibility.
 
as have been posted there are huge differences between the two of them.

1. They believe that God was a man that became God by living a moral life. totally 100% unbiblical.
2. They believe that God birthed everyone including Christ and Satan with some mother again 100% unbiblical.
3. They believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers again 100% unbiblical
4. They do not believe that Jesus is God even though there is plenty of theological evidence to support the trinity regardless of what JW's say.
5. They believe in 3 heavens when the bible only mentions 1.
6. They do not believe in Hell even though Christ and the bible specifically mention that people that follow satan will go there.
7. They believe in some great apostasy that supposedly occurred even though it didn't.
8. To this date even the Mormon church has found 0 evidence to support the historical accuracy of what the book of Mormon claims in terms of people and civilizations.

so yea there is a huge splinter between the two of them. not saying Mormons are bad people in fact many of them are very nice and kind, however they have a very skewed
view of the bible based on what joseph smith says vs what Jesus and the bible says.

Psh!

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We've been over most of these claims before. Continuing to repeat them only harms your own credibility.

not really since these claims come straight from LDS material has I and others have posted over this thread.
either from Joseph Smith himself or his head followers.

anyone can find it in a 5 minute google search.

As Paul wrote there can only be 1 Word of God not multiple. So you either believe the Word of God or you believe the word of joseph smith.
both can't be correct.

given the inconsistencies in what Smith wrote there is no reason to believe that what he wrote is accurate compared to the people who either
met Christ himself or knew his disciples.
 
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As Paul wrote there can only be 1 Word of God not multiple. So you either believe the Word of God or you believe the word of joseph smith.
both can't be correct.

Until a few centuries after the last of it was written, what we now have as the New Testament did not exist as a single document. There were more than a dozen separate documents floating around written by Paul alone, along with the Four Gospels, each written by a different author, and assorted letters and documents written by John, and Peter and James and Jude and possibly a few other authors. All this in addition to the various previously-existing documents that went into what we now have as the Old Testament. The process of gathering them together into what would become a single, unified volume, didn't even begin until about the third or fourth century.

So, do you believe the word of God, or do you believe the word of Peter, or do you believe the word of Matthew, or do you believe the word of John, or do you believe someone else's word? If there can be only one word, in the sense that you intended to mean, then you cannot believe them all.

And if you accept that the “one word” can include many writings from many different authors, that previously existed as many separate documents; then why can you not believe that there have been other prophets of God who have recorded his word, but whose writings were not among those that became part of the Bible? Did God only care to reveal his word to one subset of his people, in one part of the world, in one segment of time, while ignoring and neglecting his people in other parts of the world, in other times?

When Jesus said:, “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”, was he not speaking of other people elsewhere in the world, with whom the people to whom he said this had no contact or knowledge?
 
Until a few centuries after the last of it was written, what we now have as the New Testament did not exist as a single document. There were more than a dozen separate documents floating around written by Paul alone, along with the Four Gospels, each written by a different author, and assorted letters and documents written by John, and Peter and James and Jude and possibly a few other authors. All this in addition to the various previously-existing documents that went into what we now have as the Old Testament. The process of gathering them together into what would become a single, unified volume, didn't even begin until about the third or fourth century.

Actually those letters went into the New testament. yet out of all those letters and writings they were all verified and sourced check before they were included. which is why many books were not included like the books of Thomas, Judas, Mary. the texts were either inconsistent with other writings that had been verified or their authors could not be sourced as to where the information came from.

actually the bible was canonized before that as early as 200 and by 350 at the latest it was fully canonized.

So, do you believe the word of God, or do you believe the word of Peter, or do you believe the word of Matthew, or do you believe the word of John, or do you believe someone else's word? If there can be only one word, in the sense that you intended to mean, then you cannot believe them all.

Sure I can as they have all been verified and they are consistent in their message between each other. IE Paul doesn't contradict the gospels and likewise. There writtings is what makes up the word of God.

And if you accept that the “one word” can include many writings from many different authors, that previously existed as many separate documents; then why can you not believe that there have been other prophets of God who have recorded his word, but whose writings were not among those that became part of the Bible? Did God only care to reveal his word to one subset of his people, in one part of the world, in one segment of time, while ignoring and neglecting his people in other parts of the world, in other times?

When those other so called prophets have conflicts with the original authors that knew Christ and walked and talked with him or they knew his disciples then yes I will call into question what they write.

Nope as He sent the apostles and disciples out to preach his Gospel. By the end of Paul's life he had setup and or organized Churches in almost every major city in the Roman empire.

When Jesus said:, “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”, was he not speaking of other people elsewhere in the world, with whom the people to whom he said this had no contact or knowledge?

Yep one fold (the saved in Christ) one shepherd (himself). If he did and there were other people as they were anointed and appointed by the disciples and the apostles.
Yet the message that was spread was still consistent with their message.

The teachings of the LDS not so much. In fact the LDS has given up on trying to historically prove what Smith wrote. Why? because 0 evidence exists to prove that all these groups of people ever existed.

for one huge hurtle you do not believe that Christ is God. You believe like JW's that he is something other than God or a part of the God head.
you believe that he is some created being yet the bible absolutely 100% rejects this and Christ himself rejects this. Yet Smith says otherwise so you believe Smith over Christ himself.
Worse as pointed out by someone else you believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers which is not the case. Lucifer was an angel. a very high ranking angel but an angel none the less.
Christ was not created and has always existed.

that is when I start questioning the validity of what is being preached and taught.
you can't demote Christ's deity to something else and still say I am a Christian.
 
as have been posted there are huge differences between the two of them.

1. They believe that God was a man that became God by living a moral life. totally 100% unbiblical.
2. They believe that God birthed everyone including Christ and Satan with some mother again 100% unbiblical.
3. They believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers again 100% unbiblical
4. They do not believe that Jesus is God even though there is plenty of theological evidence to support the trinity regardless of what JW's say.
5. They believe in 3 heavens when the bible only mentions 1.
6. They do not believe in Hell even though Christ and the bible specifically mention that people that follow satan will go there.
7. They believe in some great apostasy that supposedly occurred even though it didn't.
8. To this date even the Mormon church has found 0 evidence to support the historical accuracy of what the book of Mormon claims in terms of people and civilizations.

so yea there is a huge splinter between the two of them. not saying Mormons are bad people in fact many of them are very nice and kind, however they have a very skewed
view of the bible based on what joseph smith says vs what Jesus and the bible says.

bolder number 4,i cant think of any mainstream sect that viewed the son of god as god,nor understand how the son of god can be god himself.further i dont ever recall the bible calling jesus god,but i do recall him being called the messiah.


for the rest of your points i wont even bother,every sect is different.heck just baptists methodists and catholics are vastly different,but are all christian,much the same that mormons are christian,just because they dont copy and paste does not mean they are not christian.
 
bolder number 4,i cant think of any mainstream sect that viewed the son of god as god,nor understand how the son of god can be god himself.further i dont ever recall the bible calling jesus god,but i do recall him being called the messiah.

pretty easy 1 spirit which has 3 distinct personalities God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
John chapter 1 sums up the deity of Christ.

for the rest of your points i wont even bother,every sect is different.heck just baptists methodists and catholics are vastly different,but are all christian,much the same that mormons are christian,just because they dont copy and paste does not mean they are not christian.

While they might disagree on some outliers their core belief system is exactly the same. they all follow the nicean creed as their core belief system.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, begotten of the Father [the only-begotten; that is, of the essence of the Father, God of God,] Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father;

We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible.
Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man;

or some version of this.
 
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