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Is the Old Testament God actually Jesus to most Christians?

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Is the Old Testament God actually Jesus to most Christians? If so, how does that square with your beliefs, if you are a Christian?
 
I doubt it, since Jesus wasn't incarnate as of yet.
 
Amadeus said:
Is the Old Testament God actually Jesus to most Christians? If so, how does that square with your beliefs, if you are a Christian?
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I think of God and Jesus as separate and distinct entities, though most Christians seem to believe the God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three manifestations of the same entity.
 
Declan said:
I think of God and Jesus as separate and distinct entities, though most Christians seem to believe the God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are three manifestations of the same entity.
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They are two separate entities. One is a man, the other is not defined, and probably never will be, accurately.
 
lizzie said:
I doubt it, since Jesus wasn't incarnate as of yet.
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If Jesus is God, then chronology is irrelevant. He speaks for God, as God, and carries God's message. My question is if God the Father (who is actually Jesus) is the Old Testament God. In which case, wouldn't Jewish law (e.g. The Ten Commandments) be very relevant to Christians?
 
Amadeus said:
Is the Old Testament God actually Jesus to most Christians? If so, how does that square with your beliefs, if you are a Christian?
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God is God is God . . .
 
Amadeus said:
If Jesus is God, then chronology is irrelevant. He speaks for God, as God, and carries God's message. My question is if God the Father (who is actually Jesus) is the Old Testament God. In which case, wouldn't Jewish law (e.g. The Ten Commandments) be very relevant to Christians?
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I think the 10 Commandments are very relative to Christians and non-Christians alike.
 
Declan said:
I think the 10 Commandments are very relative to Christians and non-Christians alike.
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The Ten Commandments wouldn't be my ideal set of laws. I wouldn't think most Christians would approve of them, since they include decrees like stoning.
 
Amadeus said:
Is the Old Testament God actually Jesus to most Christians? If so, how does that square with your beliefs, if you are a Christian?
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Yes, and it squares with Christian beliefs because it is the Christian belief. It's not really that hard.

What is your purpose with all of these silly threads?
 
Amadeus said:
If Jesus is God, then chronology is irrelevant. He speaks for God, as God, and carries God's message. My question is if God the Father (who is actually Jesus) is the Old Testament God. In which case, wouldn't Jewish law (e.g. The Ten Commandments) be very relevant to Christians?
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Well, not really. Prior to Jesus becoming incarnate, the old testament God was of the old law. It is considered a radical change in not only the concept of God, but in what is required for salvation. Yes, Jewish law (to the extent of the ten commandments) is relevant, but the vast majority of Judaic law is not.
 
countryboy said:
Yes, and it squares with Christian beliefs because it is the Christian belief. It's not really that hard.
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Thanks.

What is your purpose with all of these silly threads?
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If don't want to participate, then don't. If you do, then don't try to gauge my motivation. Take the questions at face value.
 
lizzie said:
They are two separate entities. One is a man, the other is not defined, and probably never will be, accurately.
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Not according to the Bible. I really don't understand this proclivity by some to ask questions of Christian beliefs which are clearly spelled out in the Bible, then attempt to refute those beliefs. It's fine if you don't believe, or have your own ideas, but why try to contradict what is clearly written in our Holy book?
 
Amadeus said:
If Jesus is God, then chronology is irrelevant. He speaks for God, as God, and carries God's message. My question is if God the Father (who is actually Jesus) is the Old Testament God. In which case, wouldn't Jewish law (e.g. The Ten Commandments) be very relevant to Christians?
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The Ten Commandments are relevant to Christians. What makes you think they aren't? No offense, but are you seriously that ignorant of Christian beliefs, or are you just flame baiting? I really cannot tell which.
 
Amadeus said:
The Ten Commandments wouldn't be my ideal set of laws. I wouldn't think most Christians would approve of them, since they include decrees like stoning.
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Be that as it may, the Old Testament is part of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, so personal preference is not really the best metric to use in defining relativity IMHO. The Ten Commandments were written in stone, but I do not recall any of them actually requiring stoning explicitly.
 
Amadeus said:
Thanks.



If don't want to participate, then don't. If you do, then don't try to gauge my motivation. Take the questions at face value.
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Okie doke.
 
Amadeus said:
Is the Old Testament God actually Jesus to most Christians? If so, how does that square with your beliefs, if you are a Christian?
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Why would it be? The idea of trinity is a theological concept, not a biblical explanation.
 
countryboy said:
Not according to the Bible. I really don't understand this proclivity by some to ask questions of Christian beliefs which are clearly spelled out in the Bible, then attempt to refute those beliefs. It's fine if you don't believe, or have your own ideas, but why try to contradict what is clearly written in our Holy book?
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Well, frankly, I understand your beliefs thoroughly, as I was heavily indoctrinated as a child, up until my mid-20's, and I have no problem at all with what you believe. My point was that prior to Jesus' incarnation, the concept of God was different, and Christians today often recognize that. They may believe that Jesus and God were the same thing, once Jesus incarnated, but prior to that, was the OT God, whose very laws and religious beliefs were radically different. They understand old law as opposed to new, once Jesus walked the earth.
 
Amadeus said:
The Ten Commandments wouldn't be my ideal set of laws. I wouldn't think most Christians would approve of them, since they include decrees like stoning.
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The Ten Commandments mention nothing of stoning. You might try actually reading the Ten Commandments. It's pretty easy reading, there are only ten of them and they actually fit on two stone tablets that could be carried by one person. :roll: In fact, here ya go, I'll throw ya a bone. :wink:

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet.
 
lizzie said:
Well, not really. Prior to Jesus becoming incarnate, the old testament God was of the old law. It is considered a radical change in not only the concept of God, but in what is required for salvation.
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I'm not sure I understand. Why would God's law radically change because God has decided to manifest as a human? If God is a linear being (susceptible to change), then he is inherently fallible.

Yes, Jewish law (to the extent of the ten commandments) is relevant, but the vast majority of Judaic law is not.
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Okay, then the Ten Commandments are relevant.
 
Amadeus said:
I'm not sure I understand. Why would God's law radically change because God has decided to manifest as a human? If God is a linear being (susceptible to change), then he is inherently fallible.



Okay, then the Ten Commandments are relevant.
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Are you familiar with references to the old law, and the new law in the Bible?

Since my concept of God isn't the one you describe, its fallibility is inconsequential to me.
 
Amadeus said:
If Jesus is God, then chronology is irrelevant. He speaks for God, as God, and carries God's message. My question is if God the Father (who is actually Jesus) is the Old Testament God. In which case, wouldn't Jewish law (e.g. The Ten Commandments) be very relevant to Christians?
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Yes and it is.
 
lizzie said:
Well, frankly, I understand your beliefs thoroughly, as I was heavily indoctrinated as a child, up until my mid-20's, and I have no problem at all with what you believe. My point was that prior to Jesus' incarnation, the concept of God was different, and Christians today often recognize that. They may believe that Jesus and God were the same thing, once Jesus incarnated, but prior to that, was the OT God, whose very laws and religious beliefs were radically different. They understand old law as opposed to new, once Jesus walked the earth.
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Apparently, you weren't fully "indoctrinated", because you have little to no understanding of the concept of Messiah. Jewish, or Christian. I don't mean that personally or to offend, but it is apparent.
 
countryboy said:
The Ten Commandments mention nothing of stoning. You might try actually reading the Ten Commandments. It's pretty easy reading, there are only ten of them and they actually fit on two stone tablets that could be carried by one person. :roll: In fact, here ya go, I'll throw ya a bone. :wink:

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2. You shall not make idols.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet.
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What if your parents are douchebags?
Also, #10 is horrifically anti-capitalism. The whole coveting thing is what drives our economy.
 
countryboy said:
Apparently, you weren't fully "indoctrinated", because you have little to no understanding of the concept of Messiah. Jewish, or Christian. I don't mean that personally or to offend, but it is apparent.
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No, I do have a good understanding. I just don't believe the same things I did when I was young.
 
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