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Bible says Noah's flood was regional.

Jerry said:
Sure, but it can't touch china, and it didn't, which means the flood did not cover all of the inhabited land.
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China was not always inhabited by humans.
 
JP Cusick said:
I agree that there was no worldwide flood as told in the Bible, but I view that story as a metaphor giving a totally different message which is completely obscured by people who demand that the flood and Noah were literally true.

Another point that troubles me is the ridiculous attempts at trying to find the Noah's Arc on the side of any mountain as if that would be proof of the flood and thereby proof of God and proof that the Bible is absolute.

When people do not accept the moral teachings of the scriptures then why would they believe some ancient ruins of a boat on the side of a mountain?

Jesus even said a thing similar = "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31

When people have always rejected everything then surely they are not going to believe based on finding Noah's Arc.
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No matter what "the faithful" say they desperately want some proof. any proof that something in the Bible is real. It is not easy to believe the fairytale of eternal life. The fact that they continue to come up empty will not stop them from looking and even exaggerating some relic as "real" when it could not be.
 
Jerry said:
Humans did not always exist, that's true. Did you have a point?
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Yes. If you read my posts you can figure out what it is.
 
Paschendale said:
The original Hebrew is very explicit about the flood covering the whole world.
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The original intent of "Jack and the Beanstalk" was that it were real beans and real beanstalk and etc, but the original words do not make it as real.

Just as Jonah being swallowed for 3 days by a big fish was just a story for children.

Quote: "Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." Titus 1:14
 
JP Cusick said:
The original intent of "Jack and the Beanstalk" was that it were real beans and real beanstalk and etc, but the original words do not make it as real.

Just as Jonah being swallowed for 3 days by a big fish was just a story for children.

Quote: "Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." Titus 1:14
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I don't think Jack and the Beanstalk was ever intended to be a true story. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that bible stories actually happened either. I just don't like when people try to argue that they're half true in order to justify a spiritual or supernatural conclusion.
 
Logicman said:
They probably got the story from the first descendants of Noah.
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Uh Huh. You do realize that the Epic of Gilgamesh has very different themes and outcomes compared to the Noahic story right? Furthermore, the geography and timeline of traders from the Black Sea do not support in any way that the Noah story came before the Epic of Gilgamesh. The Torah ripped off an existing story.
 
obvious Child said:
Uh Huh. You do realize that the Epic of Gilgamesh has very different themes and outcomes compared to the Noahic story right?
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So? It's still a big flood story, right? And who's to say the Gilgamesh guy who first wrote about it wasn't smoking dope at the time and screwed it up?

obvious Child said:
Furthermore, the geography and timeline of traders from the Black Sea do not support in any way that the Noah story came before the Epic of Gilgamesh. The Torah ripped off an existing story.
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That's your story. I believe Jesus when he spoke about the "Days of Noah." After all, he's God and if you want to try to discredit him you'll need to bust the resurrection. Which the skeptics in this forum have still failed to accomplish.
 
Logicman said:
So? It's still a big flood story, right? And who's to say the Gilgamesh guy who first wrote about it wasn't smoking dope at the time and screwed it up?
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Because we have zero evidence of a flood story before the black sea traders headed south. And we have evidence of the Epic of Gilgamesh well before the traders headed south. It is logical to conclude that the area that did in fact have the story first with archeological evidence and that spread with its traders was the origin area. Furthermore, there actually is geological evidence of a large flood in the black sea basin. There is zero evidence for a global flood or a large enough regional flood in the Middle East. It's no coincidence that we start to see the flood story appear in the archeological and anthropological record as Black Sea traders moved south. If the story started with the Israelites, we should see such evidence start in Egypt and Palestine first. Furthermore, aside from a flood and relatively few people surviving, their themes are quite different. The plethora of Gods in Gilgamesh send the flood to kill man because they found man "too loud." Not sinful, not theologically faithful enough, just too loud. That is not even remotely similar to the Noahic story at all.

That's your story. I believe Jesus when he spoke about the "Days of Noah." After all, he's God and if you want to try to discredit him you'll need to bust the resurrection. Which the skeptics in this forum have still failed to accomplish.
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Since when did pointing out the evidence for the flood story wasn't Jewish in origin mean we are busting God?

Seriously, you do yourself no favors nor theistic people alike when you make such crazy accusations.

I can easily fire back at you pointing out how you are assuming YOUR god is the correct one with no evidence to support such a claim whatsoever.

Besides, the flood story is hardly the only thing Christianity ripped off from other religions.
 
obvious Child said:
Because we have zero evidence of a flood story before the black sea traders headed south. And we have evidence of the Epic of Gilgamesh well before the traders headed south. It is logical to conclude that the area that did in fact have the story first with archeological evidence and that spread with its traders was the origin area. Furthermore, there actually is geological evidence of a large flood in the black sea basin. There is zero evidence for a global flood or a large enough regional flood in the Middle East. It's no coincidence that we start to see the flood story appear in the archeological and anthropological record as Black Sea traders moved south. If the story started with the Israelites, we should see such evidence start in Egypt and Palestine first. Furthermore, aside from a flood and relatively few people surviving, their themes are quite different. The plethora of Gods in Gilgamesh send the flood to kill man because they found man "too loud." Not sinful, not theologically faithful enough, just too loud. That is not even remotely similar to the Noahic story at all.
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You're reporting one side of the argument. The web is full of arguments that Noah's Flood was real. Just Google "Evidence Noah's Flood". There's scientists on both sides of the issue.

obvious Child said:
Since when did pointing out the evidence for the flood story wasn't Jewish in origin mean we are busting God?

Seriously, you do yourself no favors nor theistic people alike when you make such crazy accusations.

I can easily fire back at you pointing out how you are assuming YOUR god is the correct one with no evidence to support such a claim whatsoever.

Besides, the flood story is hardly the only thing Christianity ripped off from other religions.
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Once again you're lost in your own arguments.

The flood is real, Jesus and the resurrection are real, and in due time you'll realize the error of your beliefs.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Don't be silly, Noah's only a fairy tale.
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That's ok because this thread is not about rather or not the flood actually occurred. We can even shake hands and agree that the bible is a complete work of fiction top to bottom and that's ok because fictional books exist and we can talk about what a book says even if we all know the story is a fairy-tail. We can prove the bible is real, you can hold one in your hands today. You can look up the story in Genesis and verify for yourself that the story does indeed exist just as you can physically pick up and hold for yourself a book of fairy-tails.

OP isn't saying the story is literally true, OP is talking about what the book says and what the book doesn't say. For example: Harry Potter was not a witch, he was a wizard, even-though it's a fictional story and Harry Potter never actually existed. The book exists and the story exists and we can read the text each person for them-self. Hogwarts was a school of wizardry, not witchcraft, even-though it was a complete work of fiction.

Likewise the Story of Noah is a story of a regional flood even if the whole thing is a fairy tail. It can be a fictional story of a regional flood all at the same time.
 
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obvious Child said:
Because we have zero evidence of a flood story before the black sea traders headed south. And we have evidence of the Epic of Gilgamesh well before the traders headed south. It is logical to conclude that the area that did in fact have the story first with archeological evidence and that spread with its traders was the origin area. Furthermore, there actually is geological evidence of a large flood in the black sea basin. There is zero evidence for a global flood or a large enough regional flood in the Middle East. It's no coincidence that we start to see the flood story appear in the archeological and anthropological record as Black Sea traders moved south. If the story started with the Israelites, we should see such evidence start in Egypt and Palestine first. Furthermore, aside from a flood and relatively few people surviving, their themes are quite different. The plethora of Gods in Gilgamesh send the flood to kill man because they found man "too loud." Not sinful, not theologically faithful enough, just too loud. That is not even remotely similar to the Noahic story at all.



Since when did pointing out the evidence for the flood story wasn't Jewish in origin mean we are busting God?

Seriously, you do yourself no favors nor theistic people alike when you make such crazy accusations.

I can easily fire back at you pointing out how you are assuming YOUR god is the correct one with no evidence to support such a claim whatsoever.

Besides, the flood story is hardly the only thing Christianity ripped off from other religions.
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Actually, you are wrong. There is evidence of a massive flood in the Tigris /Euphrates region about 2900 bc. However, the Giglimesh story probably was recounting the flood in 3500 bce around Ur.
 
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