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Scriptures that justify homosexual lifestyle vs Scriptures that condemn it

The highest possible score is 54,977.

Why isn't anybody posting any scripture references?

This is thread is going to end up being boring and one-sided. :gunsmilie:shoot versus :joke::2mad::liar2

I'm going to bed. Hopefully I can read some Bible verses in the morning when I log in to this thread.
 
I have invited a few friends to help us understand the other side of the argument. They will give us the scriptures to support their argument.

Dear Zyphlin, Dragonfly, iguana man, Clax1911, phattonez, Captain America, Chromium and Crabcake,

You are invited to a very important thread to debate the issue of open homosexuality using scriptures from the Bible. We desperately need your help to make this thread interesting. It would be boring if this debate was one-sided and only one side of the argument used scripture. Please help us make this a wonderful and exciting thread. Break out the Bible and start whooping some butt. King James, New International, Holman Christian Standard, The Message, English Standard Version. It doesn't matter. Just open that Bible and have some fun presenting your side of the argument. Let's go!

vasuderatorrent

Well i don't think you get to ask my participation and then set up numerous warnings that would exclude me (and possibly others on your list). Evidently you want my opinion so...

I'm not here for "points" either (or "likes"). That's not the essence of debate to me.

At the time it was written, the culture would've had a more profound impact on scripture than the other way around. It had few followers after all. Consider too that so little of the original text remains (dead sea scroll fragments being the oldest), it has been translated and redacted and re-translated dozens of times, from a population that relied heavily on oral memory. Thus, the culture at the time offers the best insight into what most of scripture was getting at.

Homosexuality was probably not compatible with the ancient Hebrews. They were a tribe that drifted and under constant threat and needed to keep its population up. This link explains in detail the hypothesis that they had to distinguish themselves from other religions in the region, such as Assyrians, who even had homosexual priests:

A History of Homophobia: 1 The Ancient Hebrews

It identifies opposition to homosexuality, specifically the temple prostitution of the Assyrians, as originating under King Josiah around 600 BC and links this to a dozen other Mosaic laws restricting sexual behavior.

By the time of the NT, there would have been hundreds of years of these laws, so although much of Jesus' proclamations come across as hip or even revolutionary, i think we can infer two possibilities from his silence (in the gospels at least). Either there was no need to address it and instead defer to 600 years of Hebrew culture, or he did not expect a radical shift in this area would win many followers.

Regardless, i do not find evidence that the surrounding culture - or by extension, scripture - accepted homosexual behavior. Where i differ from others in your list is it doesn't matter to me. Brutal persecutions followed as Rome switched to Christianity and we can see this trend to this day in much of Africa, so the last thing i'll do is follow any dictates from this religion. I don't believe the ancients, whether the more lenient Greeks or the Hebrews, knew a damn thing about sexuality in the modern sense - its causes, longevity, or various forms.
 
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The bible never says that two men cannot love each other, it never says that they cannot kiss each other it never says they cannot make love with each other. It says basically says don't go around ****ing. That is the same commandment it gives to heterosexuals.

You are ignoring what it says and spinning it and taking it oput of context to make it mean what you want it to mean
 
Oh, okay than from genesis 1:1 - revaluation 22:13 don't say once that a man can't love another man

We can round it off to 31000 points.

Yet Jesus explains what marriage is in Matthew. Jesus leaves no room for Gay marriage by saying as it was from the beginning


Matthew 19:4-6New King James Version (NKJV)

4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made[a] them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?[c] 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
 
Well i don't think you get to ask my participation and then set up numerous warnings that would exclude me (and possibly others on your list). Evidently you want my opinion so...

I'm not here for "points" either (or "likes"). That's not the essence of debate to me.

At the time it was written, the culture would've had a more profound impact on scripture than the other way around. It had few followers after all. Consider too that so little of the original text remains (dead sea scroll fragments being the oldest), it has been translated and redacted and re-translated dozens of times, from a population that relied heavily on oral memory. Thus, the culture at the time offers the best insight into what most of scripture was getting at.

Homosexuality was probably not compatible with the ancient Hebrews. They were a tribe that drifted and under constant threat and needed to keep its population up. This link explains in detail the hypothesis that they had to distinguish themselves from other religions in the region, such as Assyrians, who even had homosexual priests:

A History of Homophobia: 1 The Ancient Hebrews

It identifies opposition to homosexuality, specifically the temple prostitution of the Assyrians, as originating under King Josiah around 600 BC and links this to a dozen other Mosaic laws restricting sexual behavior.

By the time of the NT, there would have been hundreds of years of these laws, so although much of Jesus' proclamations come across as hip or even revolutionary, i think we can infer two possibilities from his silence (in the gospels at least). Either there was no need to address it and instead defer to 600 years of Hebrew culture, or he did not expect a radical shift in this area would win many followers.

Regardless, i do not find evidence that the surrounding culture - or by extension, scripture - accepted homosexual behavior. Where i differ from others in your list is it doesn't matter to me. Brutal persecutions followed as Rome switched to Christianity and we can see this trend to this day in much of Africa, so the last thing i'll do is follow any dictates from this religion. I don't believe the ancients, whether the more lenient Greeks or the Hebrews, knew a damn thing about sexuality in the modern sense - its causes, longevity, or various forms.

Except God destroyed several towns for sexual sin

Genesis 19:1-38 ESV / 94 helpful votes

The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth and said, “My lords, please turn aside to your servant's house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way.” They said, “No; we will spend the night in the town square.” But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
 
Yet Jesus explains what marriage is in Matthew. Jesus leaves no room for Gay marriage by saying as it was from the beginning

Sorry kid, that verse doesn't say, "no same sex marriage." You are saying what it doesn't say is what it is against, that is always a tactic of dishonest people.
 
The highest possible score is 54,977.

Why isn't anybody posting any scripture references?

This is thread is going to end up being boring and one-sided. :gunsmilie:shoot versus :joke::2mad::liar2

I'm going to bed. Hopefully I can read some Bible verses in the morning when I log in to this thread.
I did, you pretended I didn't.

You ruined it.
 
You are falsely accusing because I don't affirm your position.

Not at all. Show me the temple prostitutes mentioned in Leviticus 18

Leviticus 18:22 ESV / 1,315 helpful votes

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
 
Sorry kid, that verse doesn't say, "no same sex marriage." You are saying what it doesn't say is what it is against, that is always a tactic of dishonest people.

Then show where the Bible condones same sex marriage. You ignore Jesus says as it was from the beginning. That means that was God's plan when he made a Man and a female. There is no mention of any other way for marriage
 
Not at all. Show me the temple prostitutes mentioned in Leviticus 18

It was written in Hebrew, the term used was Qadesh, which doesn't mean homosexual. It means a shrine prostitute that was male and also an eunuch. Qadeshah was female. Which was also forbidden.

Posting English translations over and over don't really make your argument.
 
It was written in Hebrew, the term used was Qadesh, which doesn't mean homosexual. It means a shrine prostitute that was male and also an eunuch. Qadeshah was female. Which was also forbidden.

Posting English translations over and over don't really make your argument.

I showed the verse it does not say homosexual. Try again It also does not say prostitute
 
Yeah, I believe that. :roll:

If you were honest how come you told me I could never understand?

You are far more interested in political crap than what Christ has to say.

As long as yiu deny your sin and refuse to see what the Bible says you will not understand. I did not say I gave you a scripture that says it
 
Then show where the Bible condones same sex marriage.
Show me where it condones driving cars and using computers? They must be sins too because the bible didn't mention them.

You ignore Jesus says as it was from the beginning.
that's a lie. I didn't ignore anything. He never said anything about homosexuals. How can I ignore something he never said?

That means that was God's plan when he made a Man and a female. There is no mention of any other way for marriage
You aren't God, stop speaking for him.
 
As long as yiu deny your sin and refuse to see what the Bible says you will not understand. I did not say I gave you a scripture that says it
I don't deny my sin, I am a sinner.

You deny Christ and then place your words above his. You say I must be free of sin to be saved, one again Christ disagrees with you.

Christ says come to him to be saved, just as you are.

Christ said to ask and I shall receive. You say something opposite.

You clearly dispised God's word.
 
I showed the verse it does not say homosexual. Try again It also does not say prostitute
You didn't show a verse, you showed English translation. Frankly one that didn't really reflect Leviticus that well.

Again,

It was written in Hebrew, the term used was Qadesh, which doesn't mean homosexual. It means a shrine prostitute that was male and also an eunuch. Qadeshah was female. Which was also forbidden.
 
The score is now 13 to 0. :yawn: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

This is so boring. I think I'll go back to sleep.

Does everybody understand how this thread works?

First you state your opinion. Second you type in the Bible reference.
 
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