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Texas Attorney General tells Houston city hall: Stop bullying Christians[W:14]

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TheDemSocialist said:
Every single president has been a Christian, Christmas is a federal holiday, we mention God in our national motto, and pledge. The majority of our congressmen and women are Christians, they say a Christian prayer before session. Stop with this "Christians" are oppressed nonsense.
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Then stop supporting unconstitutional acts and trying to supress peoples speech and religious views you don't like.
 
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Lovebug said:
Yes, obviously the Houston mayor is requesting Mosque and Synagogue transcripts as well.
I don't see this as a discrimination issue but a 1st Amendment one. That is why I am wondering if the mayor is ordering transcripts from other religious and non religious institutions.
I am also interested to see what else but biblical truth the mayor wishes to be preached in churches.
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Neo-Communist liberals like Mayor Parker are primarily anti-Christian.

They had very close allies among the Jews and Mulsims. So even though both faiths condem homosexuality as does Christianity, hypocrites like Parker would never, ever demand them from these groups.

That fact is there is not a shread of evidence in any of the Bible that supports homosexuality anymore than it supports beastiality, or worshiping a bronze calf.

Mayor Parker should be thrown into irons and charged with 1st Amendment civil rights violations.
 
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AGENT J said:
im still reading as many nonbiased and objective things on this I can find, what was the punitive action? where did you read that?
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She evidently invalidated a petition submitted by the conservative pastors based on allegations from a partisan group that some, or perhaps many, of the signatures were gathered illegally as the pastors were actively preaching politics from their pulpits.

Not only is the allegation of "poiliticing from the pulpit" very difficult to sustain (it does not matter whether the pastors in question are conservative or progressive), but the mayor, who is also opposed to the pastors, took action with out having any real evidence. When challenged, she resorted to blanket subpoenas (fishing).

Initially, she championed the subpoenas and called the pastors "fair game". Now, she claims the subpoenas were sent with out her knowledge and were not sent by the city attorney per se. In short, the mayor not only has an authoratarian streak, but she is also very clumsy and not very knowledgable.

All the resident of a state, regardless of therir socio political orientations, have the right to expect that local officials will not be blatantly partisan when enforcing administrative regulations. The mayor of Houston is failing in that expectation badly and clumsily. Gregg Abbott is right to get involved.
 
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ludin said:
Then stop supporting unconstitutional acts and trying to supress peoples speech and religious views you don't like.
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Where did I do that?
 
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ludin said:
From what i understand the city is now back tracking and their over zealous mayor has thrown her own legal team under the buss.
maybe they should have thought about the constitution before hand.
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What is not constitutional about it?
 
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Cryptic said:
1.)She evidently invalidated a petition submitted by the conservative pastors based on allegations from a partisan group that some, or perhaps many, of the signatures were gathered illegally as the pastors were actively preaching politics from their pulpits.

2.)Not only is the allegation of "poiliticing from the pulpit" very difficult to sustain (it does not matter whether the pastors in question are conservative or progressive)

3.) but the mayor took action with out having any real evidence. When challenged, she resorted to blanket subpoenas (fishing).

4.) Initially, she championed the subpoenas and called the pastors "fair game". Now, she claims the subpoenas were sent with out her knowledge and were not sent by the city attorney per se.

5.)In short, the mayor not only has an authoritarian streak, but she is also very clumsy and not very knowledgable.

6.) All the resident of a state, regardless of therir socio political orientations, have the right to expect that local officials will not be blatantly partisan when enforcing administrative regulations.

7.) The mayor of Houston is failing in that expectation badly and clumsily.

8.) Gregg Abbott is right to get involved.
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1.) thats not punitive though?
I though you meant like a fine or something

2.) yes it is, i agree its very difficult

3.) seems she may have jumped the gun but i wouldn't say that yet, I have no clue how common or uncommon that practice is or what the protocol for this offensive is.
If she acted why out of protocol she definitely has some explaining to do and could even wind up with legal questions of her own

4.) well they are fair game in a legal sense, havent seen anything solid on her dancing back and forth but shes a politician, that wouldst surprise me at all.

5.) not familiar with her

6.) I agree 100%

7.) again cant answer to this.

8.) well all AGs should look into anythign that involves officers of the state or like officials that may have side stepped law/protocol thats true for sure.

ill keep an eye on this but so far with the info that is factual it just seems like two sides with their feathers in a fluff.

What COULD be and SEEMS even more disappointing is if she was being partisan like you said and then the AG maybe being partisan also buy this also over the top headline or statement. Id prefer my officials never be partisan but that wont happen. That will never happen though. lol
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) thats not punitive though?
I though you meant like a fine or something
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Ok, it was not a severe punitive action. I think, however, the invalidation of the petition still meets the definition of punitive- and the end of the day, it was an adverse action imposed on a group by an authority.
AGENT J said:
4.) well they are fair game in a legal sense, havent seen anything solid on her dancing back and forth but shes a politician, that wouldst surprise me at all.
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Here is a source from the Washington Post detailling her clumsy attack, and equally clumsy retreat:Houston backs off church sermon subpoenas in transgender 'bathroom bill' fight - Washington Times
AGENT J said:
. Id prefer my officials never be partisan but that wont happen. That will never happen though. lol
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I agree, after all, politicians are only human- and we all have our likes and dislikes. At the same time, they need to make a strong effort not to seperate their roles of "city administrator" from "member of a partisan activist group".

At some stage, the Democratic Party of Massachuesetts can refer bills proposed by democrats to an independent review board for opinions on constitutionality. This led to them withdrawing a rabidly partisan bill that would have forced the Cardinal of Boston to have his pro life expenditures reviewed by a govt. appointed board to ensure they were "being spent in accordance with the true wishes of catholics".

In short, it might benefit the mayor to have any proposed actions impacting a constitutional right reviewed independently for soundess and practicality of enforcement before she call the cavalry.
 
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Cryptic said:
1.)Ok, it was not a severe punitive action. I think, however, the invalidation of the petition still meets the definition of punitive- and the end of the day, it was an adverse action imposed on a group by an authority.

2.)Here is a source from the Washington Post detailling her clumsy attack, and equally clumsy retreat:Houston backs off church sermon subpoenas in transgender 'bathroom bill' fight - Washington Times

3.)I agree, after all, politicians are only human. At the same time, they need to make a strong effort not to separate their roles of "city administrator" from "member of a partisan activist group".
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1.) yeah but until i know she acted out of protocol or illegally herself I cant say its punishment which is needed to be punitive. If its protocol to reject the petition under the circumstances i wouldnt consider it punitive. But again Im just giving a scenario. Hasnt come out yet but she may not have.

2.) thanks I dont know if i read that yet ill check it out

3.) totally agree with this, i feel this way about everything. If a persons religion, race, sexuality, gender, etc etc etc interferes to much with ones ability to be objective that is a SERIOUS issue for officials.

I would never vote or support anybody that I know couldnt separate the two. Like you said nobody is perfect and you make mistakes but if its a habit or out of control theres zero excuse for that.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Is it that damn OBAMA!!!???
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Interesting that you would jump to that conclusion, of course by interesting I mean ignorant and obvious

Thomas Jefferson, denied the divinity of Christ so much as to make his own bible that did so. There is no way he can be considered a Christian.
 
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Crovax said:
Interesting that you would jump to that conclusion, of course by interesting I mean ignorant and obvious

Thomas Jefferson, denied the divinity of Christ so much as to make his own bible that did so. There is no way he can be considered a Christian.
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Christian Deist
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Christian Deist
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Which is not a Christian. The main tenant of all branches of Christianity is the divinity of Jesus, you can not deny that and be a Christian. A "Christian deist" might as we'll be a Muslim since they are basically the same. Of course Jefferson, unsurprisingly, had also studied the Quran.
 
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