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The Freedom From Atheism Foundation

"Militant atheism is a term applied to atheism which is hostile towards religion. Militant atheists have a desire to propagate the doctrine, and differ from moderate atheists because they hold religion to be harmful. Militant atheism was an integral part of the atheistic communist ideology of Marxism-Leninism, and was significant in the Reign of Terror in the French Revolution. Atheist states, both historically and currently, uphold the doctrine; these include the Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), People's Republic of China (PRC), Cuba, and North Korea. Today, militant atheism also manifests itself in the New Atheism movement, which stands by the ideological position that religion should not simply be tolerated but should be countered, criticized and exposed. In the 20th Century alone, over 25 million believers of many faiths were martyred under the militant atheism espoused by atheist régimes around the world. However, the promotion of this atheistic ideology, along with its accompanying persecution of faith communities continues today."

After all, there is a "Freedom From Religion Foundation". Fair's fair.
 
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There's something very important to take note of here. Whether you're talking about the theocracy style governments that you advocate, or the totalitarian dictatorships that this article hilariously associates with atheism, both systems of government operate on the exact same principle: believe what the government wants you to or face physical violence.

That's why I, like many atheists, advocate a non-religious government that treats all citizens with equal respect and rights, and doesn't force religion or non-religion on anyone. As an American christian you are not persecuted in any way, shape, or form. Not getting taxpayer funding to build bronze Jesus statues does not make you persecuted. You are not in any way hindered in your religious expression or your beliefs, you are only limited in forcing it on others. Cry me a river.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's why I, like many atheists, advocate a non-religious government that treats all citizens with equal respect and rights, and doesn't force religion or non-religion on anyone.
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But it does forces non-religion. There are even blatant attempts to side-step the law.



As an example:


B.C. lawyers vote to deny accreditation to conservative Trinity Western University law school over anti-gay sex stance

“TWU is seeking our stamp of approval for a notional discriminatory banner to be hung on a new law school,” said Mr. Mulligan in an address to the assembled lawyers. “Let’s refuse to approve what we know is wrong in our time.”

Based in Langley, B.C., last year TWU announced plans to open Canada’s first Christian law school, a move that drew sharp condemnation from corners of Canadian legaldom due to the school’s “community covenant,” which forbids homosexual relationships and sex outside marriage.

Nevertheless, in April, after reviewing legal opinions, case law and more than 300 written opinion, Law Society benchers voted that TWU’s law school was entitled to status as an approved faculty of law.

“Most of the Benchers say they made the decision to respect the Rule of Law,” read a Law Society handout.

In particular, the benchers leaned on a 2001 Supreme Court decision finding that the university had the right to require their staff, faculty and students refrain from homosexual relationships based on the principles of “freedom of conscience and religion."

B.C. lawyers vote to deny accreditation to conservative Trinity Western University law school over anti-gay sex stance | National Post



Mr. Mulligan ignores the fact that it is not about what HE THINKS "he knows to be wrong at the time" .....

......it is about the law!
 
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And even some colleges indulge in unabashed stupidity.....


A well-established international Christian student group is being denied recognition at almost two dozen California college campuses because it requires leaders to adhere to Christian beliefs, effectively closing its leadership ranks to non-Christians and gays.

InterVarsity, College Christian Group, 'De-Recognized' At California State University Campuses


Do you see an atheist being a leader of a Christian student group? :lol:
 
tosca1 said:
But it does forces non-religion. There are even blatant attempts to side-step the law.



As an example:


B.C. lawyers vote to deny accreditation to conservative Trinity Western University law school over anti-gay sex stance

“TWU is seeking our stamp of approval for a notional discriminatory banner to be hung on a new law school,” said Mr. Mulligan in an address to the assembled lawyers. “Let’s refuse to approve what we know is wrong in our time.”

Based in Langley, B.C., last year TWU announced plans to open Canada’s first Christian law school, a move that drew sharp condemnation from corners of Canadian legaldom due to the school’s “community covenant,” which forbids homosexual relationships and sex outside marriage.

Nevertheless, in April, after reviewing legal opinions, case law and more than 300 written opinion, Law Society benchers voted that TWU’s law school was entitled to status as an approved faculty of law.

“Most of the Benchers say they made the decision to respect the Rule of Law,” read a Law Society handout.

In particular, the benchers leaned on a 2001 Supreme Court decision finding that the university had the right to require their staff, faculty and students refrain from homosexual relationships based on the principles of “freedom of conscience and religion."

B.C. lawyers vote to deny accreditation to conservative Trinity Western University law school over anti-gay sex stance | National Post



Mr. Mulligan ignores the fact that it is not about what HE THINKS "he knows to be wrong at the time" .....

......it is about the law!
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that's terrible no one should be forded to have homosexual relationships against their wills and against their freedom of conscience and religion

making rules against it choosing to have a homosexual relationship however is not supporting those freedoms violating them rather horribly in fact
 
RabidAlpaca said:
There's something very important to take note of here. Whether you're talking about the theocracy style governments that you advocate, or the totalitarian dictatorships that this article hilariously associates with atheism, both systems of government operate on the exact same principle: believe what the government wants you to or face physical violence.

That's why I, like many atheists, advocate a non-religious government that treats all citizens with equal respect and rights, and doesn't force religion or non-religion on anyone. As an American christian you are not persecuted in any way, shape, or form. Not getting taxpayer funding to build bronze Jesus statues does not make you persecuted. You are not in any way hindered in your religious expression or your beliefs, you are only limited in forcing it on others. Cry me a river.
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You are probably just not aware of the persecutions in the U.S. Here is a website to help you understand the depth of anti-Christian activities of the State and it's representatives.
News | American Center for Law and Justice
 
tosca1 said:
And even some colleges indulge in unabashed stupidity.....


A well-established international Christian student group is being denied recognition at almost two dozen California college campuses because it requires leaders to adhere to Christian beliefs, effectively closing its leadership ranks to non-Christians and gays.

InterVarsity, College Christian Group, 'De-Recognized' At California State University Campuses


Do you see an atheist being a leader of a Christian student group? :lol:
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nope so why not let them run for those positions and treat people fairly?
 
blarg said:
nope so why not let them run for those positions and treat people fairly?
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You're saying we should abolish eligibility requirement for everyone in anything they want to participate in.

Why not let a citizen of another nation run for US President?
 
Anyway, what moronic atheist would want to be a member of a Christian group anyway?

You have to question his state of mind.....or his motive is to cause mischief. Why should he be taken seriously?
 
This movie comes to mind!








40-year old who exploited a loophole and competed in the spelling bee! :lol:


Those colleges mentioned above are even funnier than this.
Truth is stranger than fiction! Ha-ha-ha.

Except it's hard to laugh at something that's taking us to the doghouse!
 
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tosca1 said:
You're saying we should abolish eligibility requirement for everyone in anything they want to participate in.

Why not let a citizen of another nation run for US President?
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do wonder if we should let more citizens of this nation be eligible to run but no

should abolish religious requirements for public office and for school clubs though
 
tosca1 said:
Anyway, what moronic atheist would want to be a member of a Christian group anyway?

You have to question his state of mind.....or his motive is to cause mischief. Why should he be taken seriously?
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yet the club lets any one in maybe you guys are just fasnaitng

what mischief have they caused in the religious clubs that don't discriminate?
 
tosca1 said:
This movie comes to mind!








40-year old who exploited a loophole and competed in the spelling bee! :lol:


Those colleges mentioned above are even funnier than this.
Truth is stranger than fiction! Ha-ha-ha.

Except it's hard to laugh at something that's taking us to the doghouse!
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that's offensive religion is not just for kids shame on you :mrgreen:

we all know nipples are a myth
 
blarg said:
nope so why not let them run for those positions and treat people fairly?
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A Christian group wants to limit its officers to Christians, and somebody is against that? Why is that not reasonable? And if that is resonable, should other groups not play by the same rules?

Groups are an assemblage of like minded people. What's wrong with that?
 
jimbo said:
A Christian group wants to limit its officers to Christians, and somebody is against that? Why is that not reasonable? And if that is resonable, should other groups not play by the same rules?

Groups are an assemblage of like minded people. What's wrong with that?
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that's just fine but apparently if you want official standing with the Scholl you cant discarnate against other students who want to join if they want christen officers they need to vote for them
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
There's something very important to take note of here. Whether you're talking about the theocracy style governments that you advocate, or the totalitarian dictatorships that this article hilariously associates with atheism, both systems of government operate on the exact same principle: believe what the government wants you to or face physical violence.

That's why I, like many atheists, advocate a non-religious government that treats all citizens with equal respect and rights, and doesn't force religion or non-religion on anyone. As an American christian you are not persecuted in any way, shape, or form. Not getting taxpayer funding to build bronze Jesus statues does not make you persecuted. You are not in any way hindered in your religious expression or your beliefs, you are only limited in forcing it on others. Cry me a river.
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Atheists in this century and the last , unable to enforce their agenda on free citizens, have conflated freedom for all into meaning "theocracy". This is the answer to that.
 
blarg said:
do wonder if we should let more citizens of this nation be eligible to run but no

should abolish religious requirements for public office and for school clubs though
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If a school club is a religious club, does it not make sense to have religious requirements in it's leadership?
Should we abolish the rules of football clubs so that bad-mitten players will feel welcome there?
 
Cable said:
If a school club is a religious club, does it not make sense to have religious requirements in it's leadership?
Should we abolish the rules of football clubs so that bad-mitten players will feel welcome there?
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if their willing to mess around with football and the only rules bad-mitten fans cant have positions beyond being members yes
 
jimbo said:
A Christian group wants to limit its officers to Christians, and somebody is against that? Why is that not reasonable? And if that is resonable, should other groups not play by the same rules?

Groups are an assemblage of like minded people. What's wrong with that?
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Before it's all over with, atheists will be trying to get into the priesthood.
 
it's just me said:
Before it's all over with, atheists will be trying to get into the priesthood.
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I'm an athiest, but I have no desire to join any group of differently minded people. Nor similarily minded people for that matter.

IMO, most of this type of thinking is done for its shock value, not any real desire to do what they say they want to do.
 
tosca1 said:
And even some colleges indulge in unabashed stupidity.....

A well-established international Christian student group is being denied recognition at almost two dozen California college campuses because it requires leaders to adhere to Christian beliefs, effectively closing its leadership ranks to non-Christians and gays.

InterVarsity, College Christian Group, 'De-Recognized' At California State University Campuses

Do you see an atheist being a leader of a Christian student group? :lol:
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I thought lying was a sin.

This has nothing to do with atheists being leaders of the Christian group. The Christian group exists and can remain to exist with whatever rules and restrictions they care to apply to its members and/or leadership.

They wish to have formal recognition from a group of colleges though. That group of colleges can also apply rules and restrictions to its members. One of those involves signing a non-discriminatory agreement. The leaders of the Christian group refuse to sign that agreement because it includes not discriminating on grounds of sexual orientation.

The Christian group (and this one alone) is demanding an exemption from the rules of the group of colleges on this basis.
 
tosca1 said:
But it does forces non-religion. There are even blatant attempts to side-step the law.



As an example:


B.C. lawyers vote to deny accreditation to conservative Trinity Western University law school over anti-gay sex stance

“TWU is seeking our stamp of approval for a notional discriminatory banner to be hung on a new law school,” said Mr. Mulligan in an address to the assembled lawyers. “Let’s refuse to approve what we know is wrong in our time.”

Based in Langley, B.C., last year TWU announced plans to open Canada’s first Christian law school, a move that drew sharp condemnation from corners of Canadian legaldom due to the school’s “community covenant,” which forbids homosexual relationships and sex outside marriage.

Nevertheless, in April, after reviewing legal opinions, case law and more than 300 written opinion, Law Society benchers voted that TWU’s law school was entitled to status as an approved faculty of law.

“Most of the Benchers say they made the decision to respect the Rule of Law,” read a Law Society handout.

In particular, the benchers leaned on a 2001 Supreme Court decision finding that the university had the right to require their staff, faculty and students refrain from homosexual relationships based on the principles of “freedom of conscience and religion."

B.C. lawyers vote to deny accreditation to conservative Trinity Western University law school over anti-gay sex stance | National Post



Mr. Mulligan ignores the fact that it is not about what HE THINKS "he knows to be wrong at the time" .....

......it is about the law!
Click to expand...

Denying accreditation to a private business is not religious persecution. It falls under public accommodation laws which apply to everyone equally. This was also NOT the US and not the big bad atheists.

You're not persecuted.

Cable said:
You are probably just not aware of the persecutions in the U.S. Here is a website to help you understand the depth of anti-Christian activities of the State and it's representatives.
News | American Center for Law and Justice
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LOL. Let's click on the link and take a look at the first few stories:

- "U.N. Security Council to Consider Resolution to Remove Jews from Key Parts of the Holy Land?" => A Palestinian resolution against Israeli Jews.
- "IRS Cover-Up: IG Report Exposes IRS Lying to American Public" => The IRS scandal? Really? That's not christian persecution.
- "Unity in Prayer: The Church Gathers to Pray for Saeed and the Persecuted Church" => An Iranian pastor is imprisoned by Iran, a theocracy.

So you haven't given any examples as to how American christians are persecuted, especially by the big bad atheists. You have however given an example as to why we shouldn't be a theocracy.

it's just me said:
Atheists in this century and the last , unable to enforce their agenda on free citizens, have conflated freedom for all into meaning "theocracy". This is the answer to that.
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Ok buddy, sorry, the bible will not be replacing our constitution and Jesus will not be our president. Keep your religion to yourself.
 
:lol:

"Militant" Atheists work within the peaceful framework of society to spread their point of view.

Militant Theists behead children.
 
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