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Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God,

and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


Could it be that we'll be under the power of the Islamists during the Tribulation?
 
Could this be the "mark of the beast on the hand?"


It's been called a "bar code on steroids." Radio Frequency Identification identifies people or things and transmits information through microchips.

Is it all about convenience, or are there biblical implications?

It's been called a "bar code on steroids." Radio Frequency Identification identifies people or things and transmits information through microchips.

Is it all about convenience, or are there biblical implications?

"There will be a time when humanity will be forced to take a mark, and that mark will be on the right hand or the forehead," said Albrecht, referring to Revelation 13:16-18. "It is the number 666; we're told to pay attention and look out for that, and people who do not take that mark, of course, will not be able to buy or sell."

"Some people say RFID will be the mark of the beast because it can be a mark in your hand that you can transmit," Albrecht added.

"If it isn't, and it may well not be; there may well be something that comes next beyond that to become, to fulfill that biblical prophecy, but every one of those steps was getting us closer to that end destination," she said.

RFID Opening Doors for Mark of the Beast? - Health & Science - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com


Technology has a way of forcing us into something.
 
Somebody was well away on a mind-altering substance when that weirdness was produced. A little ergot in the bread, perhaps?
 
So all we have to do is put the RFID chips in the left hand and there will be no apocalypse? Too easy.
 
tosca1 said:
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God,

and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


Could it be that we'll be under the power of the Islamists during the Tribulation?
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The drug cartels use some of the same tactics but, we can for sure that beheadings are an ancient practice.

IIRC, the world at that point is under complete control of the anti-christ and his minions. There would be a one-word government and a one-world religion in place. Everything would seem great until the tribulation begins.
 
The tribulation has been on us for some time, kiddies, since the days of the Roman Anti-Christs. Remain clam, God is in control.
 
tosca1 said:
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God,

and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


Could it be that we'll be under the power of the Islamists during the Tribulation?
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The beast and its image is standing against the Muslims as we speak.

The ones sitting on thrones is the little flock= 144,000--no more--no less
 
kjw47 said:
The beast and its image is standing against the Muslims as we speak.

The ones sitting on thrones is the little flock= 144,000--no more--no less
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poor current JW can't get into heaven since it is filled up. Good thing that this is completely untrue and unbiblical.
 
kjw47 said:
The ones sitting on thrones is the little flock= 144,000--no more--no less
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Ludin's got a good point there.

144,000 - no more, no less. Let's try to do some math here.

Chosen ones all the way back thousands of years ago, during the Old Testament days. Considering too, that so many martyred themselves around the time frame right after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, of course I assume they will undoubtedly be among the 144,000.....

.....I doubt there is any room left for any of the modern-day JWs and other modern-day Christians, don't you think?
 
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kjw47 said:
The beast and its image is standing against the Muslims as we speak.
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I don't understand exactly what you're saying here. You mean the beast is fighting against the Muslims as we speak?
 
it's just me said:
The tribulation has been on us for some time, kiddies, since the days of the Roman Anti-Christs. Remain clam, God is in control.
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It's supposed to be only for 7 years....that's how I understand it.


The Tribulation, as taught by most Bible scholars, encompasses a future seven year period when God will complete his discipline of Israel and final judgment upon the unbelieving citizens of the world. Those who accept a Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory believe that Christians who have trusted Christ as Lord and Savior will escape the Tribulation.

What Is the Tribulation in the Bible?
 
Please come soon my Lord and Savor Jesus Christ.

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RabidAlpaca said:
So all we have to do is put the RFID chips in the left hand and there will be no apocalypse? Too easy.
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Sorry RapidAlpaca, but FYI.....

.....the Revelation is written for those who believe that they may have an inkling what to expect or how things are supposed to unfold. It only makes sense, no?
 
kjw47 said:
The ones sitting on thrones is the little flock= 144,000--no more--no less
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Rev. 6
9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[e] were killed just as they had been.


How many Christians died as martyrs? According to this article, in the 20th century alone, there were 45 million!


Christian Martyrs - Not Just Ancient History

Scholars have admitted in a respected academic journal that they are surprised by the magnitude of a new accounting of Christian who have suffered death for their faith during the 20 th century. "Nothing in mainstream scholarship prepares one for such a colossal reckoning of human suffering," writes Michael J. McClymond, associate professor of theology at St. Louis University, about David Barrett’s statistics in the revised edition of the World Christian Encyclopedia published by Oxford University Press.
The total number of Christian martyrs is reported at 45 million during the 20 th century. The definition: "Believers in Christ who lost their lives prematurely, in situations of witness, as a result of human hostility."

This includes Christian affiliated with the known denominations and unaffiliated Christians, and even crypto-Christians who may be living in settings where they feel they must keep their profession of Christ secret. Included among the 45 million are entire villages of Armenian Christians who were lined up in 1915 and given the choice, "Christ or Muhammad?" and immediately shot if they chose Christ. "In 1977 the same choice was offered to [Anglican] Archbishop Janani Luwun of Uganda, who was shot through the mouth by the national leader himself, Idi Amin." Many others are included from communist China and the former Soviet Union. "The Salvadoran [Catholic] Archbishop Oscar Romero, gunned down in 1980 while celebrating the Eucharist, is counted as a Christian martyr because his advocacy on behalf of the poor–the proximate cause of his death–was inseparable from his ministry and witness as a churchman." Of course, a number of Seventh-day Adventists are included in the count who died refusing to work on the Sabbath or to confess political wrong-doing for simple acts of evangelism and similar reasons.

Center for Creative Ministry : Christian Martyrs - Not Just Ancient History
 
Read II Timothy III. It speaks of the times we are living in now.

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tosca1 said:
It's supposed to be only for 7 years....that's how I understand it.


The Tribulation, as taught by most Bible scholars, encompasses a future seven year period when God will complete his discipline of Israel and final judgment upon the unbelieving citizens of the world. Those who accept a Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory believe that Christians who have trusted Christ as Lord and Savior will escape the Tribulation.

What Is the Tribulation in the Bible?
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I am not a dispensationalist, that is a relatively new teaching created back in the 1800's and is not Biblical. The book of Revelation was not written about the 20th, 21st, and not even the 22nd century. It was written about the first century. This is not to say that some of these things will not happen eventually, such as the coming of Christ in judgment, but most of it is about current events in John's time.
 
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tosca1 said:
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God,

and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


Could it be that we'll be under the power of the Islamists during the Tribulation?
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in the way Jesus will testify against Christians for believing he is more then a prophet at judgment sure its possible
 
ludin said:
poor current JW can't get into heaven since it is filled up. Good thing that this is completely untrue and unbiblical.
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Did Jesus lie when he taught---The meek will inherit the---EARTH----------- not heaven.
I know his real teachers teach that truth.
 
tosca1 said:
Ludin's got a good point there.

144,000 - no more, no less. Let's try to do some math here.

Chosen ones all the way back thousands of years ago, during the Old Testament days. Considering too, that so many martyred themselves around the time frame right after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, of course I assume they will undoubtedly be among the 144,000.....

.....I doubt there is any room left for any of the modern-day JWs and other modern-day Christians, don't you think?
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There are a few still on earth--Jesus' anointed teachers---they stand against the world and teach Jesus' truths---like this one---Blessed are the meek,( great crowd) for they will inherit the earth.---not heaven or hell---the earth.
 
kjw47 said:
Did Jesus lie when he taught---The meek will inherit the---EARTH----------- not heaven.
I know his real teachers teach that truth.
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unfortuantly JW like mormons think they are the only true church which isn't being meek. that is being quite proud.

the only true church is the people that have asked Christ forgiveness of sin and have repented and do their best to follow
Christ teachings.

so how are you going to get into heaven with the 144k already being filled up a while ago.
 
kjw47 said:
There are a few still on earth--Jesus' anointed teachers---they stand against the world and teach Jesus' truths---like this one---Blessed are the meek,( great crowd) for they will inherit the earth.---not heaven or hell---the earth.
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nope 144k no more no less is what you say and what you think. Romans killed hundreds of thousands of christians.
so there are a lot of JW going to be disappointed in the fact that they can't get into heaven.

i would say that the 144k was filled up by the 3rd century at least.
 
ludin said:
nope 144k no more no less is what you say and what you think. Romans killed hundreds of thousands of christians.
so there are a lot of JW going to be disappointed in the fact that they can't get into heaven.

i would say that the 144k was filled up by the 3rd century at least.
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The JW,s believe Jesus---The meek will inherit the earth---not heaven---JW,s look forward to a paradise earth.
You have 0 clue as to how many Christians were killed by romans.
 
kjw47 said:
The JW,s believe Jesus---The meek will inherit the earth---not heaven---JW,s look forward to a paradise earth.
You have 0 clue as to how many Christians were killed by romans.
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actually we can and we do have an idea. through out the ages hundreds of thousands of christians have been killed and or martyred for their faith.
i am sorry that according to your own religion you will not make it into heaven. of course none of that is biblical anyway.

i am glad that i do not have an issue and will be with Jesus Christ in heaven.

of course JW have other issues to worry more than the 144k.

you cannot be meek and claim you are the only true church. that is not being meek that is the opposite of meek.
 
ludin said:
actually we can and we do have an idea. through out the ages hundreds of thousands of christians have been killed and or martyred for their faith.
i am sorry that according to your own religion you will not make it into heaven. of course none of that is biblical anyway.

i am glad that i do not have an issue and will be with Jesus Christ in heaven.

of course JW have other issues to worry more than the 144k.

you cannot be meek and claim you are the only true church. that is not being meek that is the opposite of meek.
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Actually mild tempered( meek) is closer to the greek word.
0 Christians worship a non existent trinity--they do this--John 4:22-24---but the trinity teachers refuse to believe Jesus' words over dogma. so no they were not Christians ( trinity believers)that have died, just an illusion of satans.
 
kjw47 said:
Actually mild tempered( meek) is closer to the greek word.
0 Christians worship a non existent trinity--they do this--John 4:22-24---but the trinity teachers refuse to believe Jesus' words over dogma. so no they were not Christians ( trinity believers)that have died, just an illusion of satans.
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so now we change the definition.
again you are wrong but that is beside the point. of course i am talking to someone that doesn't think Jesus has always been even though he states that he is the alpha and the omega.

so for you say that 0 christians worship the trinity you are wrong in that as well. however again i feel for you that you believe only 144k christians will make it into heaven.
not much hope because that number is already in heaven.

so what are you going to do since you can't get into heaven?
 
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