• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!
  • Welcome to our archives. No new posts are allowed here.

The Challenge of The Passion

Visbek

Stuck In The Circle
DP Veteran
Joined
Nov 28, 2011
Messages
23,282
Reaction score
18,292
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Other
I came across this in one of Crossan's books, and it could be an entertaining thread....

Write your recollections, from memory only, of Jesus' passion story, including the arrest, trial, execution, and burial. You may not ask anyone for assistance, you cannot look up any biblical stories, you cannot search Teh Internets, do not read any of the posts in this thread for tips. Simply write the story as you remember it.

And please, let's keep it respectful.

Do you accept the challenge?
 
I don't understand the challenge. Is this a game or a test, and if so, what's the point?
 
I don't understand the challenge. Is this a game or a test, and if so, what's the point?
It is an informal test of your ability to recall a story that, presumably, you've read or heard numerous times.
 
Short version -

Jesus, knowing his time is near, heads to Jerusalem. The Rabbis in town want him strung up for heresy (actually, because they figured he was undermining their authority and cushy position with the Romans). He meets with the Disciples to let them know what's going to happen and Judas sells him out. He's taken before the local authorities who probably don't want much to do with him but the Rabbis push the issue and he's sentenced to death. He's crucified with two other guys at least one of whom repents on the cross. One of the Romans poked him in the brisket to make sure he was dead and out comes blood and water which convinced the guy that Jesus was who he said he was.

The Disciples took Jesus down, wrapped him and buried him. When they came back to check on him he was gone and they knew he had risen.
 
Christ heads to Jerusalem to celebrate Passover, in spite of several of his Apostles telling him that this is a bad idea, because the Sanhedrin, the ruling religious council of the Pharisees, wants him dead. He insists on going anyway, as it is something he is fated to do.

Jesus is heralded in the same fashion as a king by a great crowd of people on his arrival. He later celebrates Passover with his Apostles, breaks bread and wine with them in the fashion which now represents the Christian Sacrament of Communion, and warns them that his time on this Earth is about to come to an end. He also alludes to the fact that one of his Apostles will soon betray him.

After supper, he tells several of his Apostles to accompany him to a nearby garden, and pray with him. He goes, leaves his Apostles by the entrance of the garden, and prays in such a state of dread and passion for what is coming that he weeps blood.

At one point, he stops, goes back to check on his Apostles, and finds them all asleep in spite of them saying that they would pray with him. He gently reprimands them for this, asking Peter if he does not have the strength to stand with him. Peter boldly proclaims that he would stay with Christ even in the face of death. Christ tells him that, to the contrary, before the break of dawn, Peter will deny Christ three times, and goes back to praying. This repeats itself twice more (I think).

Eventually, they are all disturbed by a group of soldiers sent by the Sanhedrin. They are lead by Judas, who had betrayed Christ for a bag of thirty pieces of silver. He kisses Jesus on the cheek, and Christ remarks on the irony of the act. The soldiers seize him.

Peter pulls a knife and tries to stop the soldiers, cutting off one of the their ears in the process. Jesus tells Peter to stop, as enough violence will be done that day already, and miraculously reattaches the ear to the man's head. Christ then goes with the soldiers peacefully.

Jesus is later questioned by the Sanhedrin. They ask him if he is the son of God. He responds with "you have said so." They declare him a blasphemer, and the head priest tears his robes in a demonstration of anger.

While this is taking place, Peter anxiously waits outside of the compound. He is questioned by three different people, who all accuse him of being one of Christ's followers. He vehemently denies it in order to avoid arrest.

After the third denial, the sun rises and a bird calls. Peter realizes what he has done, and flees in shame.

Meanwhile, the Sanhedrin say they will put Christ to death, but require the permission of the secular authorities to do so. In that vein, they make up the claim that Christ is a rebel, looking to make himself "King of the Jews," and bring him before the king of Judea, Herod, and ask for permission to kill Jesus on the grounds of blasphemy and treason. Herod questions Christ, and demands that he perform miracles if he wants to avoid execution. Christ declines.

Herod decides that Christ must be mad, but does not wish to have him executed. He decides to leave the matter up to the Roman Governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate, instead.

Pilate questions Christ, but doubts the Sanhedrin's claims, and cannot find him guilty of having broken any laws. He decides to try and dole out a less lethal punishment to appease the Sanhedrin instead, and has Christ flogged. In the process of doing so, some sadistic soldiers force a crown fashioned out of thorn vines onto Christ's head as a joke referring to the charge of treason against him.

The Sanhedrin declare the act to be an insult, and insist on the death penalty anyway.

In a last ditch effort, Pilate decides to leave the decision up to the people, and offers them the chance to execute either Christ, or a convicted thief (and murderer, I think) named Barabbas instead. The crowd, stirred to a frenzy by the Sanhedrin, elect to execute Christ. Pilate, fearing a riot or rebellion, allows it, saying that he "washes his hands" of the matter. He orders Christ to be crucified along side two common criminals who were scheduled to be executed anyway.

After that, Christ, already weakened from the blood loss caused by his scourging and "crown," is forced to carry his own cross to to the top of the hill where he will be crucified.

A mob gathers to watch the proceedings. They spit on Christ, hurl insults at him, and beat him when they can. Because of this, Christ trips and falls under the weight of his cross at least three times during the course of his journey. A sympathetic woman also steps out of the crowd to wipe the sweat and blood off of his face at one point, Jesus runs across his mother Mary in the crowd, and a man is brought out of the crowd to help him carry the heavy cross for a time after it becomes clear that Christ is too exhausted to carry on by himself.

Once at the hill, Christ's clothing is stripped from his body, causing his wounds from the scourging to rip open and bleed again. He is then nailed to the cross, and hung to die. His mother and the Apostle John stand in the crowd gathered to watch the event.

Christ is offered the chance to drink wine from a soaked cloth on the end of a pole at one point while on the cross, but refuses it (I think he takes water instead). Afterwards, one of the criminals crucified with Christ mocks him, and says that he should ask God, his father, to save them all. The other criminal scolds the first criminal for this, saying that Christ is innocent, where they deserve to die. Jesus thanks him for this, and tells the man that he will stand beside him in paradise.

After a few hours, Christ is near death. He asks God to forgive those who have crucified him, as they "know not what they do," and loudly calls out a passage from one of Solomon's psalms "my God, my God, why have you abandoned me?" He then dies.

A Roman Centurion jabs a spear into Christ's side to make sure he is dead. Two streams, one of blood, the other of water, come out of the wound. The sky then grows dark, and the earth quakes - causing much of the crowd to flee - before things return to normal.

Christ is then taken down, washed, and carried to a tomb paid for by a third party, where he returns to life on the third day after his burial.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's as much as I remember off the top of my head, anyway. :)
 
Last edited:
It is an informal test of your ability to recall a story that, presumably, you've read or heard numerous times.

The passion stories I was told to, and had watched from old movies did not compare to the realization of how Jesus had actually suffered when I saw the movie, The Passion by Mel Gibson.

Reading the Bible repeatedly also gives me a different perspective at every reading - I guess depending on my frame of mind at the time, or perhaps it's also the Holy Spirit at work.
 
Christ heads to Jerusalem to celebrate Passover, in spite of several of his Apostles telling him that this is a bad idea, because the Sanhedrin, the ruling religious council of the Pharisees, wants him dead. He insists on going anyway, as it is something he is fated to do, and is heralded as a king would be by a great crowd of people on his arrival.

He later celebrates Passover with his Apostles, breaks bread and wine with them in the fashion which now represents the Christian Sacrament of Communion, and warns them that this time on this Earth is about to come to an end. He also alludes to the fact that one of his Apostles will soon betray him.

After supper, he tells several of his Apostles to accompany him to a nearby garden, and pray with him. He goes, leaves his Apostles by the entrance of the garden, and prays in such a state of dread and passion for what is coming that he weeps blood. At one point, he stops, goes back to check on his Apostles, and finds them all asleep in spite of them saying that they would pray with him.

He gently reprimands them for this, asking Peter if he does not have the strength to stand with him. Peter boldly proclaims that he would stay with Christ even in the face of death. Christ tells him that, before the break of dawn, Peter will deny Christ three times, and goes back to praying. This repeats itself twice more (I think).

Eventually, they are all disturbed by a group of soldiers sent by the Sanhedrin. They are lead by Judas, who had betrayed Christ for a bag of thirty pieces of silver. He kisses Jesus on the cheek, and Christ remarks on the irony of the act. The soldiers seize him.

Peter pulls a knife and tries to stop the soldiers, cutting off one of the their ears in the process. Jesus tells Peter to stop, as enough violence will be done that day already, and miraculously reattaches the ear to the man's head. Christ then goes with the soldiers peacefully.

Jesus is later questioned by the Sanhedrin. They ask him if he is the son of God. He responds with "you have said so." They declare him a blasphemer, and the head priest tears his robes in a demonstration of anger.

While this is taking place, Peter anxiously waits outside of the compound. He is questioned by three different people, who all accuse him of being one of Christ's followers. He vehemently denies it in order to avoid arrest.

After the third denial, the sun rises and a bird calls. Peter realizes what he has done, and flees in shame.

Meanwhile, the Sanhedrin say they will put Christ to death, but require the permission of the secular authorities to do so. In that vein, they make up the claim that Christ is a rebel, looking to make himself "King of the Jews," and bring him before the king of Judea, Herod, and ask for permission to kill Jesus on the grounds of blasphemy and treason. Herod questions Christ, and demands that he perform miracles if he wants to avoid execution. Christ declines.

Herod decides that the Christ must be mad, but does not wish to have him executed. He decides to leave the matter up to the Roman Governor of Judea, Pontious Pilate, instead.

Pilate questions Christ, but doubts the Sanhedrin's claims, and cannot find him guilty of having broken any laws. He decides to try and dole out a less lethal punishment to appease the Sanhedrin instead, and has Christ flogged. In the process of doing so, some sadistic soldiers force a crown fashioned out of thorn vines onto Christ's head as a joke referring the charge of treason against him.

The Sanhedrin declare the act to be an insult, and insist on the death penalty anyway.

In a last ditch effort, Pilate decides to leave the decision up to the people, and offers them the chance to execute either Christ, or a convicted thief (and murderer, I think) named Barabbas instead. The crowd, stirred to a frenzy by the Sanhedrin, elect to execute Christ. Pilate, fearing a riot or rebellion, allows it, saying that he "washes his hands" of the matter. He orders Christ to be crucified along side two common criminals who were scheduled to be executed anyway.

After that, Christ, already weakened from the blood loss caused by his scourging and "crown," is forced to carry his own cross to to the top of the hill where he will be crucified.

A mob gathers to watch the proceedings. They spit on Christ, hurl insults at him, and beat him when they can. Because of this, Christ trips and falls under the weight of his cross at least three times during the course of his journey. A sympathetic woman steps out of the crowd to wipe the sweat and blood off of his face at one point, Jesus runs across his mother Mary in the crowd, and a man is brought out of the crowd to help him carry the heavy cross for a time after it becomes clear that Christ is too exhausted to carry on by himself.

Once at the hill, Christ's clothing is stripped from his body, causing his wounds to from the scourging to rip open and bleed again. He is then nailed to the cross, and hung to die. His mother and the Apostle John stand in the crowd gathered to watch him die.

Christ is offered the chance to drink wine from a soaked cloth on the end of a pole at one point while on the cross, but refuses it. Afterwards, one of the criminals crucified with Christ mocks him, and says that he should ask God, his father, to save them all. The other criminal scolds the first criminal for this, saying that Christ is innocent, where they deserve to die. Jesus thanks him for this, and tells the man that he will stand beside him in paradise.

After a few hours, Christ is near death. He asks God to forgive those who have crucified him, as they "know not what they do," and loudly call out a passage from one of Solomon's pslams "my God, my God, why have you abandoned me?" He then dies.

A Roman Centurion jabs a spear into Christ's side to make sure he is dead. Two streams, one of blood, the other of water, come out of the wound. The sky then grows dark, and the earth quakes - causing much of the crowd to flee - before things return to normal.

Christ is then taken down, washed, and carried to a tomb paid for by a third party, where he returns to life on the third day after his burial.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's as much as I remember off the top of my head, anyway. :)

That covers it, except for the part where Pilate's wife told him that she was told in a dream that Christ was innocent, and he should not have him executed. Matthew 27:19. I found that verse chilling, because I believe that such things are possible!

Greetings, Gathomas88. :2wave:
 
That covers it, except for the part where Pilate's wife told him that she was told in a dream that Christ was innocent, and he should not have him executed. Matthew 27:19. I found that verse chilling, because I believe that such things are possible!

Greetings, Gathomas88. :2wave:

You're right. I had forgotten that. :)

Roman women appear to have had something of a reputation for prophetic dreams! lol
 
You're right. I had forgotten that. :)

Roman women appear to have had something of a reputation for prophetic dreams! lol

I'm not Catholic, so can you tell me if she was later made a Saint by the Church, because of her one and only comment in the entire history of the Bible?
 
The passion stories I was told to, and had watched from old movies did not compare to the realization of how Jesus had actually suffered when I saw the movie, The Passion by Mel Gibson.

Reading the Bible repeatedly also gives me a different perspective at every reading - I guess depending on my frame of mind at the time, or perhaps it's also the Holy Spirit at work.

An amazing movie, no doubt.
 
Known in Eastern Orthodox churches as St. Claudia.

Greetings, phattonez. :2wave:

Thank you! :thumbs: I had heard in the past that she was made a Saint, and I wanted to be sure. *hug*
 
Greetings, phattonez. :2wave:

Thank you! :thumbs: I had heard in the past that she was made a Saint, and I wanted to be sure. *hug*

Greetings to you polgara. How's everything?
 
Greetings to you polgara. How's everything?

Can't complain about much except our screwy weather here! (That I complain about a lot!) :mrgreen: How's everything in your part of the world? Is the drought affecting you really bad?
 
Can't complain about much except our screwy weather here! (That I complain about a lot!) :mrgreen: How's everything in your part of the world? Is the drought affecting you really bad?

The drought is sensationalized. We're all fine. However, it has been regularly above 100 lately and even above 110. It feels like I'm in Phoenix.
 
So what was Crossan's point?
 
The drought is sensationalized. We're all fine. However, it has been regularly above 100 lately and even above 110. It feels like I'm in Phoenix.

Oooooh, I'm envious! It was 11 degrees above freezing here the other day - that's unusual for September, even for us! :shock: The country seems to be divided into quarters - some too hot and dry, some too cold and wet, and some just right. Reminds me of Goldilocks and the three bears! :mrgreen:
 
Oooooh, I'm envious! It was 11 degrees above freezing here the other day - that's unusual for September, even for us! :shock: The country seems to be divided into quarters - some too hot and dry, some too cold and wet, and some just right. Reminds me of Goldilocks and the three bears! :mrgreen:

Well we did get lucky over this entire summer so maybe we had it coming. I don't know what Ohio did to deserve that, though.
 
Well we did get lucky over this entire summer so maybe we had it coming. I don't know what Ohio did to deserve that, though.

We don't either! :shock: Maybe better us than Florida - we've learned how to thumb our nose at it by going tobogganing, skiing, and ice skating! Pshaw! :lol:
 
Back
Top Bottom