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What is a Soul and Spirit?

I don't create threads so you do it because I will send the semicolon back to hell where it belongs. Macht snell!

I believe you meant "Macht schnell" [per Forum rules, "Hurry up"].
 
Every day I awake is to always forget why. Never a moment does anyone consider that there is an important purpose for each and everyone’s existence. And as time flies by traveling so slow, it’s only when I go home do I realize that barely a moment has past. But that’s not all that, washing back a recollection hitting with all the force and speed of a tsunami, and a dynamo of intellect and familiarity I become and feel as pure ecstasy could not even steal this thunder, yet no one ever wonders why they’re here.
 
You'd be reading wrong when reading my post, and that's no surprise. As for what I do, you'd never even know the truth since the truth to what I do has never been written. Yeah big conspiracy and maybe for good reason. I certainly would know all about that, but believe me when I say you know nothing. The question is, will you ask a question? I'm all answers if you have curiosity. And as always with risk to reward, such is the system and balance to life. There is never a risk to physical health but maybe there is an indirct consequence angry gods can achieve, but any discussion of this nature is too advanced for one assuming even the simplist conversation to be intangible. The rewards are far greater and for this never a moment of regret.

Just remember one thing: you know nothing. It's harder than you think to think you know nothing, as your're already judging while reading this, but remember what I just said or had you already forgotten? YOU KNOW NOTHING

Hey, blame yourself. Your posts reflect you. Why don't you read them?

They show that.....

There's nothing calm or relaxed about you.

There's nothing secure about you - and that clearly manifest itself by the way you put down others in your attempt to "elevate" yourself. Self-aggrandizement is in all your posts - and of course that always comes in the wake of knocking down others.

There's nothing peaceful about you - all your posts are adversarial!

To borrow from the Maharishi transcendental meditator's vocabulary - you're so full of negativity.
The meditator will say you're a roaming magnet attracting all the negativity in the universe to stick to you like feather on glue.

You have a troubled spirit.
 
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Tell Cable and everyone responding to me in a thread that banned am I to view, to bring their ego here, because I'm about to start runnin' game over everyone's head.
 
Hey, blame yourself. Your posts reflect you. Why don't you read them?

They show that.....there's nothing calm or relaxed about you.
There's nothing secure about you - and that clearly manifest itself by the way you put down others in your attempt to "elevate" yourself.
There's nothing peaceful about you - all your posts are adversarial!
To borrow from the Maharishi transcendental meditator's vocabulary - you're full of negativity.


You have a troubled spirit.


Nobody has a troubled spirit you fool. You still don't get it. Your spirit is far greater than any soul, and don't mistake my soul for what my ego says.
 
Nobody has a troubled spirit you fool. You still don't get it. Your spirit is far greater than any soul, and don't mistake my soul for what my ego says.

I don't think anyone will fail to see that ego. :lamo


Arrivederci, Serato. :2wave:

I'm done playing.
 
I don't think anyone will fail to see that ego. :lamo


Arrivederci, Serato. :2wave:

I'm done playing.


You’ve obviously not been paying attention to anything I’ve said and I’m not surprised. You believe in the Trinity yet fail to acknowledge the trinity within you that has many circles of three’s. So once again I’ll restate that in the largest circle you are spirit, soul and body. The body has its own trinity that can be broken down many ways but in regards to the mind, all you’ve been talking to is my ego. My soul is hardly as childish. My spirit is practically a god. Yeah you have no idea how powerful my spirit is, so I suggest you learn to get to know yours.

I’ll say more at another time when I’m done detoxing off some powerful opiates, and if you must know it’s not to get high. I got a seriously messed up back that doesn’t cooperate well these days. And I only take them when the pain starts shooting down my legs, otherwise I can’t work.

And it's not me that's troubled. It's knowing how easily you're being deceived in wanting war and in knowing the future and what's to come...yeah, this is what I live with every day.

Yeah run along little girl. Go google some better websites to tell you what to think, even though Hevean has always been and can only be seen from within.

And since everyone is dead in two years, I suggest you find God real quick and atone that ignorance that caused this mess in the first place.
 
Every day I awake is to always forget why. Never a moment does anyone consider that there is an important purpose for each and everyone’s existence.

That's preposterous, of course. You have any way of knowing what anybody else is pondering, but how presumptuous of you to assume that you alone are so "enlightened."

Every day that I wake up alive, I am delighted, and my gratitude encourages purpose. Exclude me please from your arrogant overgeneralizations about others.
 
Nobody has a troubled spirit you fool. You still don't get it. Your spirit is far greater than any soul, and don't mistake my soul for what my ego says.

I know you don't like quotes that testify against you, but I think you might appreciate the importance of this one: "and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."
I have come to understand that the reason this is so egregious is that it indicates a soul that is arrogant well beyond God's patience.

anyways... I guess you are banned from the other thread. I responded there to you, and will re-post here so you can read it.

and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
Apologies for the late response. I've been very busy lately and missed this post until now.

You say the Bible is one of the greatest books ever compiled. For me it is the greatest. But the word you adhere to is not in harmony with the Bible. You seem to pin your hope on bodily existence. Where does this great book say we will work out our salvation over many lifetimes?
Rather it says our salvation comes from faith in the One He sent. Christ. Now. Not in our next round of life.
You would have me ask you for the keys. Christ is the key already given. Are you not arrogant on this point?
You want to encompass all religions and sexual preferences as equally from God, if I understand you correctly. But Christ did not accept these. I would rather know Him.
It is the will of the Father than drives me, not the will of others who chase after many things and hate the Father.
Further, the pineal gland is but a small part of the physical creation. I do not and would not worship the created.
The created will pass away. Revelation tells us this explicitly. God is not embodied in the creation. He exists apart from it. God is spirit.
If I am made in the image of God, it is his spirit that I resemble, not my flesh.
 
You’ve obviously not been paying attention to anything I’ve said .......

and...

Superman is not Satan, but certainly a tool of Satan.
I watched spiderman 2 last night. Similar theme. Normal man with a superman alter-ego to be ushered out in time of need.
There was much talk about hope in this movie. All based on what a man might do for himself, or for the collective group of humans.
In a climactic scene, where spidy destroys electro, and all the lights come back on, spidy's mom exclaims "Thank god."
The only other reference to god was when electro says something like "they will all worship me as a god."

My Christian take on this one: Put your faith in yourself. Together we can achieve the ultimate good. No God needed.
It is a popular theme. It is a worldly them, putting our faith in the flesh.
There is no place for Christ in this.
One can take this theme as entertaining, but we are entertaining Satan.

Oddly Serato, seemingly, you are spiderman in your own right. You know what verses to set aside, and what other books to accept. You trust in the pineal gland.
You trust in a multitude of flesh to bring you to harmony with God.
But Christ would have none of this. Believe in the One He sent. That is what Christ would have us do. Our faith in him is the only way.
Moses brought us the law, which shows us clearly where we fail. Christ brought us salvation, that those who believe will be saved and made one with the Father.
Koresh was an imposter, a false Christ. You are following in his footsteps. He hated Christ, but claimed to represent Him.
 
serato
I’ll say more at another time when I’m done detoxing off some powerful opiates,
:shock:


what??? What are you on?
 
:shock:
what??? What are you on?

You might be amazed Tosca. I had a friend when I lived in AZ who shared some experiences he witnessed there.
There are people that will meet in the woods, in a tee-pee or something like that, and they will imbibe opiates in order to meet "god"
They are desperately seeking, but are filling themselves with spirits that fear and hate God.
But it is all done through the 'spirit' of human enlightenment.
Satan and his fallen angels are hard at work.

I don't know if this scripture applies directly to this time, but it certainly seems to speak to it to a great extent:

15“Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17“Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18“Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20“But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21“For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22“Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24“For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25“Behold, I have told you in advance. 26“So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27“For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28“Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
 
You might be amazed Tosca. I had a friend when I lived in AZ who shared some experiences he witnessed there.
There are people that will meet in the woods, in a tee-pee or something like that, and they will imbibe opiates in order to meet "god"
They are desperately seeking, but are filling themselves with spirits that fear and hate God.
But it is all done through the 'spirit' of human enlightenment.
Satan and his fallen angels are hard at work.

I don't know if this scripture applies directly to this time, but it certainly seems to speak to it to a great extent:

15“Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17“Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18“Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20“But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21“For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22“Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. 24“For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25“Behold, I have told you in advance. 26“So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27“For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28“Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.


Thank you for that, Cable. To desperately seek God (and yet to no avail), is to be in a state of desolation, imho.

There's no doubt that the instruments of Satan are many, and they are used in varied ways, but all with one single purpose: To confuse us. To draw us away from the Truth. To alienate us from God.

The sad part is that these folks don't even realize that instead of finding God, they are being deceived and used to do Satan's will. Satan knows our weaknesses. He'll know how to push our buttons. How to get to us.
He knows how he'll seduce us...tempt us. Thus, we are advised in the Scriptures how to prepare ourselves.


Eph 6
The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.
 
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Thank you for that, Cable. To desperately seek God (and yet to no avail), is to be in a state of desolation, imho.

There's no doubt that the instruments of Satan are many, and they are used in varied ways, but all with one single purpose: To confuse us. To draw us away from the Truth. To alienate us from God.

The sad part is that these folks don't even realize that instead of finding God, they are being deceived and used to do Satan's will. Satan knows our weaknesses. He'll know how to push our buttons. How to get to us.
He knows how he'll seduce us...tempt us. Thus, we are advised in the Scriptures how to prepare ourselves.


Eph 6
The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

That is a wonderful scripture Tosca. I have to admit, I was saved some 25 odd years ago, but it is really this last year that I have learned what this scripture means, and how truly powerful it is.
For me pride was the enemy, and a deadly one. God has taught me some very painful lessons in the last few years, and I have learned quite a bit, kicking and screaming of course. :)
The most important lesson I have learned of late is that He has the power. When you know this, you begin to understand that there is nothing in this world that can prevail against Him.
How great it is to rest in that power.
 
That's preposterous, of course. You have any way of knowing what anybody else is pondering, but how presumptuous of you to assume that you alone are so "enlightened."

Every day that I wake up alive, I am delighted, and my gratitude encourages purpose. Exclude me please from your arrogant overgeneralizations about others.

you don't yet know what I'm talking about, so maybe this week I'll better explain.
 
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What are the physical and metaphorical differences between thoughts and emotions. I understand that thinking, problem solving, analysis etc are a different function that can interact with emotions and experiences, but aren't they both part of the brains thought processes?

I guess our ego or personality would be a mixture of our mental capacity, intelligence, education, knowledge, experiences, instincts, emotions and genetics?

It's ironic that our emotions precede our thoughts, and are basically the fuel (drive) and purpose of our thinking and intelligence. We use our minds to exist and thrive, which is driven initially by our instinct to survive and be content.

My reason for asking is a desire to understand what is meant by the words "spirit" and "soul"? I always assumed the soul was our personality or self image, and that the spirit was our 'conscious' life force supplied by another hidden source, separate from the physical world. It made sense to me that a body combined with spirit, eventually developed and matured into a unique soul. We all have different DNA, circumstances, experiences, education, desires etc, which I believed in time made us a mature individual.

So our purpose might be to leave an imprint on the spirit and be released upon passing from this shell (body)?
There are historical misuses of terms that complicate arriving at an assertion in the matter that gets us closer to an accurate answer.

Today, however, we've learned a little more about both aspects of the matter, the physical and the spiritual, that improves over the past couple of thousand years or so, that also allows us to correct some historical misuse of terms to improve our understanding of this matter.

Today we know that our brain's lateral asymmetry provides us with a mind, where we think and from which we relate to the world outside of our self, the world of things, and a soul, where we feel and relate to our body from sensation and experiential kinesthetics.

Our world relates to our body as well, and we can feel about the world as well as think about our body, and our brain can store bilaterally our thoughts, feelings, and experiences, not only for sensual reference but emotional reference as well.

This mind, as we call it, orients in one of our cerebral hemispheres. Our soul, as we have just begun to accurately call it today, orients in the other cerebral hemisphere. Each is a collection of neuroclusters and networks, and although such gives us a somewhat illusory but definite "spiritual experience", this physical structure, by itself, is not spiritual in nature. But the illusion of such accounts for why we've called one of those collections the soul and why the soul has been erroneously labeled in religious circles as a part of us that lives after we die, which is because it is only felt, almost zephyr-like in experience, and when our mind dominates, as it most often sadly does, the "barely there" experience of the soul gives it an almost "other worldly" nature.

At the nexus of the hemispheres, in our hypothalamus-thalamus region, it all comes together, and we now are beginning to understand that that region is what has been metaphorically referenced in romantic literature as our heart.

Interesting, is that during brain probe experiments with a conscious patient, the surgeon could prod various hemispheric areas rather strongly and the patient would essentially relive sensation, thought, feeling, emotion and meaning of the stimulated moment experience and relate it back to the surgeon .. but if the surgeon just barely even touches the hypothalamus-thalamus region it sent the patient into a coma that sometimes took a couple weeks before the patient awoke.

We have for some time believed that our spirit (what has been historically referred to as our soul, which we are beginning to realize was an erroneous reference in terms) is a part of us that lived before our incorporation materially and will continue to live afterward and that had a mysterious yet transcendent relationship to the universe as a whole.

In the late 19th century, physicists became more aware of something called the zero-point field, essentially photons existing at absolute zero in dark matter, and that this dark matter field was essentially everywhere and constant.

They began to factor this constant out of equations because it was simply that, constant and everywhere and apparently at the time fairly benign.

But more recently physicists have come to experience this phenomenal zero-point field as something much more. As they begin to learn more about it, how it provides an instant connection from one "end" of the universe to the other, that it appears to wave in unique and distinct-infinite-number-of-frequency waves, that they've begun to suspect it as being the spiritual link we've surmised.

Indeed, today physicists and spiritualists are forging some unexpected common ground with respect to the zero-point field as we've come to realize that there is dark matter in each of us and that each human brain has a frequency of operation, so to speak, that is unique, a unique frequency that can "tune" and thus connect with the same frequency in the infinite dark matter zero-point field.

This connection of the material with the spiritual is now believed to be that which gives us our experience of not only being here and now as a physical entity, it provides centering, heart-centering, as well as an awareness-experience that there is more, more to us than just the physical, more to our world than just the physical on this planet here and now, that there are dimensions of existence reaching infinitely within and without us, that we are part of a great cosmic whole, and that there is more to us than our physicality, and that there is more to us than our time here on Earth.

It's quite fascinating, I believe.

We're only just scratching the surface .. and I would love to be here another 1000 years from now to see what we've come to learn and experience then.
 
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There are historical misuses of terms that complicate arriving at an assertion in the matter that gets us closer to an accurate answer.

Today, however, we've learned a little more about both aspects of the matter, the physical and the spiritual, that improves over the past couple of thousand years or so, that also allows us to correct some historical misuse of terms to improve our understanding of this matter.

Today we know that our brain's lateral asymmetry provides us with a mind, where we think and from which we relate to the world outside of our self, the world of things, and a soul, where we feel and relate to our body from sensation and experiential kinesthetics.

Our world relates to our body as well, and we can feel about the world as well as think about our body, and our brain can store bilaterally our thoughts, feelings, and experiences, not only for sensual reference but emotional reference as well.

This mind, as we call it, orients in one of our cerebral hemispheres. Our soul, as we have just begun to accurately call it today, orients in the other cerebral hemisphere. Each is a collection of neuroclusters and networks, and although such gives us a somewhat illusory but definite "spiritual experience", this physical structure, by itself, is not spiritual in nature. But the illusion of such accounts for why we've called one of those collections the soul and why the soul has been erroneously labeled in religious circles as a part of us that lives after we die, which is because it is only felt, almost zephyr-like in experience, and when our mind dominates, as it most often sadly does, the "barely there" experience of the soul gives it an almost "other worldly" nature.

At the nexus of the hemispheres, in our hypothalamus-thalamus region, it all comes together, and we now are beginning to understand that that region is what has been metaphorically referenced in romantic literature as our heart.

Interesting, is that during brain probe experiments with a conscious patient, the surgeon could prod various hemispheric areas rather strongly and the patient would essentially relive sensation, thought, feeling, emotion and meaning of the stimulated moment experience and relate it back to the surgeon .. but if the surgeon just barely even touches the hypothalamus-thalamus region it sent the patient into a coma that sometimes took a couple weeks before the patient awoke.

We have for some time believed that our spirit (what has been historically referred to as our soul, which we are beginning to realize was an erroneous reference in terms) is a part of us that lived before our incorporation materially and will continue to live afterward and that had a mysterious yet transcendent relationship to the universe as a whole.

In the late 19th century, physicists became more aware of something called the zero-point field, essentially photons existing at absolute zero in dark matter, and that this dark matter field was essentially everywhere and constant.

They began to factor this constant out of equations because it was simply that, constant and everywhere and apparently at the time fairly benign.

But more recently physicists have come to experience this phenomenal zero-point field as something much more. As they begin to learn more about it, how it provides an instant connection from one "end" of the universe to the other, that it appears to wave in unique and distinct-infinite-number-of-frequency waves, that they've begun to suspect it as being the spiritual link we've surmised.

Indeed, today physicists and spiritualists are forging some unexpected common ground with respect to the zero-point field as we've come to realize that there is dark matter in each of us and that each human brain has a frequency of operation, so to speak, that is unique, a unique frequency that can "tune" and thus connect with the same frequency in the infinite dark matter zero-point field.

This connection of the material with the spiritual is now believed to be that which gives us our experience of not only being here and now as a physical entity, it provides centering, heart-centering, as well as an awareness-experience that there is more, more to us than just the physical, more to our world than just the physical on this planet here and now, that there are dimensions of existence reaching infinitely within and without us, that we are part of a great cosmic whole, and that there is more to us than our physicality, and that there is more to us than our time here on Earth.

It's quite fascinating, I believe.

We're only just scratching the surface .. and I would love to be here another 1000 years from now to see what we've come to learn and experience then.


Read: The Zero Point Field: How Thoughts Become Matter? | Peter Baksa
 
It is my personal opinion based on what I know and have experienced that the soul is also the spark of life that is conjoined at inception builds into a being and departs to the Cosmos at death.
 
Yep -- absolutely fascinating, isn't it!

I think, feel, believe .. and therefore I am and everything else is.

Here's some interesting info I found.


The Zero-Point Energy (ZPE) field as electromagnetic quantum fluctuations is an accepted mainstream concept of quantum mechanics and represents an almost unlimited, ubiquitous energy source that permeates and sustains all matter and exists everywhere.

Arising out of particle physics are several relevant issues related to the ZPE field. These are the emission / absorption phenomenon of energy quanta, the wave particle duality, and the structure of the mechanics of non-locality, entanglement, and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which demands that short-lived virtual photons pop in and out of existence along with positron-electron pairs.

While investigating improvements to functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI), it was discovered that the phenomenon of emission / re-absorption of energy by all macro level physical objects carries information about the event history of that object in phase relationships of the underlying interference patterns of the emitted quanta. The resulting mathematical formalism (theoretical model) is the same formalism used in holography, hence has been named Quantum Holography (QH). QH also provides a basis for explaining how the whole of creation learns, self-corrects, and evolves as a self-organizing inter-connected holistic system.

The way the body's senses work, based on interaction of stimulus from the outside world is where the role of quantum physics really begins to come into the picture, since our vision works by interpreting photons within range of the visible light spectrum and translating them into electrochemical signals within our brain, which in turn generate the conscious experience of color. Other senses, such as smell, are also triggered by fundamentally quantum mechanical interactions.

The goal of all of this is to lay the groundwork for the fundamental understanding that the neural structures of the brain utilize quantum physics for information processing on a regular basis and, in fact, have been used in this way by evolution for quite some time.

The brain is basically a biological quantum computer that takes part of the available information as stimuli from our environment and turns it into computational data and processes sensory information. This lies in the fact that the brain is permeated by quantum waves that are able to process massive amounts of information much more quickly than could be performed by the non-quantum processes typically associated with the electrochemical transmission of signals through the brain.

So essentially the universe, as a mass of quantum energy and information, evolved a sentient creature capable of interacting and perceiving it, on a limited scale. The universe being a sophisticated amalgamation of unlimited information, which the human perceives thru conscious awareness as a cogent projection. Each person is a central focusing point for reality acting as the mental image of itself.


Quantum Theory, The Quantum Hologram and Zero Point Energy

Journal of Cosmology
 
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