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A little something on the Trinity for your reading pleasure.

kjw47 said:
That would be kind of hard for Jesus to be Jehovah when Jesus prayed to Jehovah at John 17:1-6---and Jehovah was in heaven while he was on earth.
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It would be kinda hard for him to be your savior if he was Michael, too.
 
it's just me said:
It would be kinda hard for him to be your savior if he was Michael, too.
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Jehovah is the main savior--Isaiah 43:11-- Isaiah 49:26( both spots = Jehovah)
Acts 5:31--Jesus was exalted as savior) by who--God=Jehovah.
Jehovahs power goes through Jesus--Jehovah is the one doing all of it--it is his will being done through Jesus.

Moses was the Israelite savior--a mere mortal--Michael is an archangel.
 
kjw47 said:
Jehovah is the main savior--Isaiah 43:11-- Isaiah 49:26( both spots = Jehovah)
Acts 5:31--Jesus was exalted as savior) by who--God=Jehovah.
Jehovahs power goes through Jesus--Jehovah is the one doing all of it--it is his will being done through Jesus.

Moses was the Israelite savior--a mere mortal--Michael is an archangel.
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No man can by any means redeem his brother
Or give to God a ransom for him— Ps. 49:7

An angel can't save you either:

Do you not know that we will judge angels? 1 Cor. 6:3

You guys better stop following a false prophet.
 
it's just me said:
No man can by any means redeem his brother
Or give to God a ransom for him— Ps. 49:7

An angel can't save you either:

Do you not know that we will judge angels? 1 Cor. 6:3

You guys better stop following a false prophet.
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You wont be judging anyone--only the anointed will be doing that--Rev 1:5--Rev 14:3--- 144,000( literal numbered) are bought from the earth( bought with Jesus blood) = the bride of Christ-The little flock. These will sit on thrones alongside Jesus judging those on earth. ( these are the first resurrection to heaven)
As for the great crowd of other sheep, Jesus gave this promise---Happy are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. these stay on earth.

Consider this too--Psalm 45:7--About Jesus this is---oiled more than your partners( angels)
 
kjw47 said:
You wont be judging anyone--only the anointed will be doing that--Rev 1:5--Rev 14:3--- 144,000( literal numbered) are bought from the earth( bought with Jesus blood) = the bride of Christ-The little flock. These will sit on thrones alongside Jesus judging those on earth.
As for the great crowd of other sheep, Jesus gave this promise---Happy are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Consider this too--Psalm 45:7--About Jesus this is---oiled more than your partners( angels)
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No, YOU won't be judging anyone because this garbage you believe won't get you into heaven. The 144,000 are Jews taken from the 12 tribes.
 
TobyOne said:
tl;dr

Is there a readers digest explanation of the trinity. Serious question. I know Jesus said "I and the Father are one" and John says "In the beginning was the Word". This doesn't seem incompatible with god the father and jesus being separate. Jesus also said the only way to the father was through the son, and his passion in gethsemane was so intense while praying to his father that it seems to show that he was praying to a separate being. Not to mention his addressing god the father as "abba".

Abba - > god the father

please take this cup from ME. There is clearly an Abba and a son.
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Greetings, TobyOne!



TobyOne (Post #18):

"Is there a readers digest explanation of the trinity. Serious question. I know Jesus said "I and the Father are one" and John says "In the beginning was the Word". This doesn't seem incompatible with god the father and jesus being separate. . . . "



PUBLIC REPLY TO A BELIEVER'S QUESTION -- PART 2 OF 5***:


COL 1.19, NIV; COL 1.15; HEB 1.3, NIV; LK 10.21; MT 12.18; LK 4.18; AC 4.27(30); PHP 2.6; JN 10.30; JN 14.9; HEB 1.8; REV 1.6:


"19 . . . God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in..." a beloved Son, thereby . . . turning a lesser being into a visible "15...image of the invisible God,..." an "3...exact representation . . . " . . . able to say, "30 I and the Father are one" and "9...Whoever has seen me has seen the Father..." . . .


a) . . .
b) . . .


c)
Jn 1.1

Jn 20.28:

Thomas' "Lord"?......YES!......(Jn 13.13)
Thomas' "God"?.......NO!.......(Jn 20.17)


d) . . .



PUBLIC REPLY TO A BELIEVER'S QUESTION -- PART 3 OF 5***:


1TH 3.11; GAL 4.4-5, KJV; 1TH 3.11; 1TI 2.6, KJV; 1PE 1.3; EPH 4.6; 1CO 8.6; JUDE 1.25 (cf. Ro 16.27; Jn 5.44-45); JN 17.3; REV 1.8; 1TI 6.16, NIV; REV 1.8; 1TI 6.16, NIV; HEB 2.10:


HOWEVER--


"11...OUR GOD AND FATHER..."--He who "4...sent forth his Son,...5 To...[ransom]..."--"11...AND OUR LORD JESUS..." "6 Who gave himself [as] a ransom..." are, in fact, two completely separate and distinct Individuals, two entirely different Beings (cf. Jn 14.1), and none but "3...the God and Father of our Lord Jesus..." . . . is . . . "3...THE ONLY TRUE GOD,..." . . .


REV 15.3; REV 4.8; REV 11.16(-17); 1TI 1.17; 1TI 6.15; REV 4.11, KJV; 1TI 6.13; RO 4.17; 2CO 4.14, NIV; 2CO 5.18, KJV; 1CO 15.57; 1CO 1.9, NIV; 2CO 1.21, NIV:


IN OTHER WORDS--


No other but the "3...Lord God Almighty.." of the Lamb and "8...of the four living creatures..." and of "16...the twenty-four elders..." is "17...the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God,..." . . .



TobyOne (Post #18):

" . . . Jesus also said the only way to the father was through the son, . . . "



PUBLIC REPLY TO A BELIEVER'S QUESTION -- PART 5 OF 5***:


. . . inasmuch as "5...there is [only] one God and [only] one mediator between God and humankind,..." and "6...no one comes to the Father except through..." Jesus, . . .



NOTE:

"one mediator"..=.......Jesus..........(1Ti 2.5 + Jn 14.6; cf. Heb 9.24 + 1Jn 2.1)
"one God"........=.."the Father"......(1Ti 2.5 + Jn 14.6; cf. 1Co 8.6)



All the best to you, TobyOne!



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Hebrews 9.24, NIV84:

"For Christ . . . entered heaven itself, . . . to appear for us in God's presence."


1 John 2.1, NIV84:

" . . . we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, . . . "


1 Corinthians 8.6, NIV84:

" . . . there is but one God, the Father, . . . "
 
kjw47 said:
Gods word teaches---Jesus was made lower than the angels--an impossibility for him to be God--Mortals killed Jesus the mortal---mortals could never kill God.
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NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD!

Do you understand the role of the Messiah, and why?
Do you understand why the Old Testament was filled with prophecies about the Messiah?
Do you understand why the prophecies has to be fulfilled?



Psalm 45:7--this is speaking about Jesus--he had partners( angels) because he is an angel--Michael-Daniel 12:1
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Let's see. Here is Psalm 45.


5 Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies;
let the nations fall beneath your feet.
6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.


Psalm 45 is indeed talking about Jesus. And verse 6 repeats Hebrews 1:8!





Hebrews 1
God’s Final Word: His Son

1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.


The Son Superior to Angels

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”[d]

8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.



IF Psalm 45 and Hebrews 1 refer to Jesus (and they do indeed both refer to Him), what is clearly shown without any doubt at all, is that......

.... JESUS IS GOD!



Go ahead and read those two passages! It's so clearly written!


Psalm 45
6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

Hebrew 1
8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom
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You know what, kjw47?
The co-relation and the full implication of Psalm 45 and Hebrews 1 is something new to me.
Thanks be to God for this thread (and for your mention of Psalm 45)....that I came upon these gems.


Who knows....perhaps this thread is meant to be a gift to you.
I do hope and pray, that you see the truth before your eyes. You are being deceived, my friend.
 
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Originally Posted by kjw47
Psalm 45:7--this is speaking about Jesus--he had partners( angels) because he is an angel--Michael-Daniel 12:1
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If you're implying that Jesus and Michael are one and the same, I don't think so.



Daniel 12
1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.


Michael is referred to as a "prince."
Compare that with Hebrews 1 which speaks about Jesus:


8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.


Jesus is the KING!

He's also GOD.


I think God is reaching out to you to see, and most importantly.... to accept The Truth in Jesus Christ.
Take heed, my dear friend.
 
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tosca1 said:
If you're implying that Jesus and Michael are one and the same, I don't think so.



Daniel 12
1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.


Michael is referred to as a "prince."
Compare that with Hebrews 1 which speaks about Jesus:


8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.


Jesus is the KING!

He's also GOD.


I think God is reaching out to you to see, and most importantly.... to accept The Truth in Jesus Christ.
Take heed, my dear friend.
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No Jesus is not God--twisting what is said makes it seem so.
At Matt 4:10-- It is Jehovah God you must render sacred service to him( singular) alone. ---This is Jesus' answer to satan and to all.
 
tosca1 said:
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD!

Do you understand the role of the Messiah, and why?
Do you understand why the Old Testament was filled with prophecies about the Messiah?
Do you understand why the prophecies has to be fulfilled?





Let's see. Here is Psalm 45.


5 Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies;
let the nations fall beneath your feet.
6 Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.


Psalm 45 is indeed talking about Jesus. And verse 6 repeats Hebrews 1:8!





Hebrews 1
God’s Final Word: His Son

1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.


The Son Superior to Angels

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?
Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”?
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
7 In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”[d]

8 But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.



IF Psalm 45 and Hebrews 1 refer to Jesus (and they do indeed both refer to Him), what is clearly shown without any doubt at all, is that......

.... JESUS IS GOD!



Go ahead and read those two passages! It's so clearly written!






You know what, kjw47?
The co-relation and the full implication of Psalm 45 and Hebrews 1 is something new to me.
Thanks be to God for this thread (and for your mention of Psalm 45)....that I came upon these gems.


Who knows....perhaps this thread is meant to be a gift to you.
I do hope and pray, that you see the truth before your eyes. You are being deceived, my friend.
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It isn't calling Jesus God--it is calling God-God--Your( Jesus' God)---- see Jesus has a God before he even comes to earth---God does not have a God---you Are twisting--your teachers have twisted it for centuries.
Who are the companions( partners) if not angels?
 
kjw47 said:
No Jesus is not God--twisting what is said makes it seem so.
At Matt 4:10-- It is Jehovah God you must render sacred service to him( singular) alone. ---This is Jesus' answer to satan and to all.
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Of course. There is only One God.

Jesus, as God incarnate, teaches that emphatically. He even showed by example how to pray to God and how to please God.

Jesus is God (as a human), giving us the low-down through actual demonstration how to do all that pleases God.
 
it's just me said:
No, YOU won't be judging anyone because this garbage you believe won't get you into heaven. The 144,000 are Jews taken from the 12 tribes.
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Spiritual Israel is this reference( Gods chosen)---Israel is cut off-Matt 23:37-38)

The 12 tribes in Rev are not the same 12 in the ot.--2 different ones mentioned.---proving its not literal Israel but spiritual Israel.

Garbage---funny how I use Gods own written word to back what I say but you don't. But mine is the garbage.

As well virgins is symbolism for actually not fornicating with the other false religions and govts.
Peter is one of the anointed--he was married--thus not a virgin in the sense you think.
 
tosca1 said:
Of course. There is only One God.

Jesus, as God incarnate, teaches that emphatically. He even showed by example how to pray to God and how to please God.

Jesus is God (as a human), giving us the low-down through actual demonstration how to do all that pleases God.
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Strange why no one listens to Jesus in the Lords prayer--Hallowed be thy( Father) name-Jehovah--The kingdom, power and glory all belong to the Father-Jehovah.---none of it belongs to Jesus--Jehovah shares with Jesus.
 
kjw47 said:
It isn't calling Jesus God--it is calling God-God--Your( Jesus' God)---- see Jesus has a God before he even comes to earth---God does not have a God---you Are twisting--your teachers have twisted it for centuries.
Who are the companions( partners) if not angels?
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Pray and ask God for guidance - and read the Bible.

Jesus was only Jesus as man. Before that, He was The Word. He was a part of God.

The triune God is really difficult to fully comprehend....it's not within our capacity.

How can it be twisted by teachers when the very first statement of Genesis introduces the plurality within the Godhead? Re-read Genesis, and the explanations I'd given.


Consider the three previous statements you've claimed to be facts - they're not facts at all!
AS PROVEN!


It is your JW teachers that had twisted the Bible, and giving you falsehood. You're being deceived.
 
tosca1 said:
Pray and ask God for guidance - and read the Bible.

Jesus was only Jesus as man. Before that, He was The Word. He was a part of God.

The triune God is really difficult to fully comprehend....it's not within our capacity.

How can it be twisted by teachers when the very first statement of Genesis introduces the plurality within the Godhead? Re-read Genesis, and the explanations I'd given.


Consider the three previous statements you've claimed to be facts - they're not facts at all!
AS PROVEN!


It is your JW teachers that had twisted the Bible, and giving you falsehood. You're being deceived.
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Genesis says 0 about a godhead--only in twisting what it said

Fact---Jehovah created all things through Jesus that is the reference to our image. And that image = the capability of reasoning and love.
 
kjw47 said:
Strange why no one listens to Jesus in the Lords prayer--Hallowed be thy( Father) name-Jehovah--The kingdom, power and glory all belong to the Father-Jehovah.---none of it belongs to Jesus--Jehovah shares with Jesus.
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You're not grasping the point.

Think of it this way:
God came down as a human being (Jesus), and explained to us how to do what pleases Him.
God (as the human Jesus) taught and demonstrated how to pray - thus He prayed the Lord's Prayer.


Take Note that The Lord's Prayer has all the ingredients of

acknowledging what God is to us (Our Father),
glorifying and praising, and worship (Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy Name, They Kingdom Come),
humble submission and obedience (Thy will by done on earth, as it is in Heaven),
reliance and dependence on God (give us this day our daily bread),
contrition and forgiveness (forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us),
trust (and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil),
faith in Him only (for thine is the kingdom, and the power and the glory forever and ever)
 
tosca1 said:
You're not grasping the point.

Think of it this way:
God came down as a human being (Jesus), and explained to us how to do what pleases Him.
God (as the human Jesus) taught and demonstrated how to pray - thus He prayed the Lord's Prayer.


Take Note that The Lord's Prayer has all the ingredients of

acknowledging what God is to us (Our Father),
glorifying and praising, and worship (Who art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy Name, They Kingdom Come),
humble submission and obedience (Thy will by done on earth, as it is in Heaven),
reliance and dependence on God (give us this day our daily bread),
contrition and forgiveness (forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us),
trust (and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil),
faith in Him only (for thine is the kingdom, and the power and the glory forever and ever)
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Its you who have missed the point--its 100% about the Father --0% about Jesus in the Lords prayer. Its always the Father that Jesus points one to. Ones actual destination is to get to the Father.
 
kjw47 said:
Genesis says 0 about a godhead--only in twisting what it said

Fact---Jehovah created all things through Jesus that is the reference to our image. And that image = the capability of reasoning and love.
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You're not addressing the evidences given to you. You're simply digging in, and saying nay.
 
kjw47 said:
Its you who have missed the point--its 100% about the Father --0% about Jesus in the Lords prayer. Its always the Father that Jesus points one to. Ones actual destination is to get to the Father.
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Where did I say the Lord's Prayer is about Jesus? How did you come to that?

Read and try to understand what I said. You're not comprehending what you read!
 
kjw47 said:
Spiritual Israel is this reference( Gods chosen)---Israel is cut off-Matt 23:37-38)

The 12 tribes in Rev are not the same 12 in the ot.--2 different ones mentioned.---proving its not literal Israel but spiritual Israel.

Garbage---funny how I use Gods own written word to back what I say but you don't. But mine is the garbage.

As well virgins is symbolism for actually not fornicating with the other false religions and govts.
Peter is one of the anointed--he was married--thus not a virgin in the sense you think.
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I know, everything is literal to you guys unless you need it to be figurative. And vice versa. And God's word is not garbage. What you say it means is garbage.
 
it's just me said:
I know, everything is literal to you guys unless you need it to be figurative. And vice versa. And God's word is not garbage. What you say it means is garbage.
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yea i think you are wasting your time.

Jesus is not an angel or michael.
He is the Son of God.

He was the Son of Man while on earth which is why Satan attempted to tempt him in the desert.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES - DOCTRINAL COMPARISON CHART

and the two biggest ones that we are dealing with are:

The JW Bible actually is plagued with errors.
JW-Outstanding among Bibles is the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures...Accuracy, uniformity, clarity, and up-to-date language mark this excellent work. Bible study aids without equal make this an indispensable help to sincere searching students of God's Word"

Bible-Greek scholar Bruce Metzger said that "the Jehovah's Witnesses have incorporated in their translation of the New
Testament several quite erroneous renderings of the Greek." ("Jehovah's Witnesses and Jesus Christ," Theology Today, April, 1953).

The Trinity does not exist, and is an evil doctrine that teaches the existence of 3 gods.
"Never was there a more deceptive doctrine advanced than that of the trinity" (Reconciliation, 1928 )
"...sincere persons who want to know the true God and serve him find it a bit difficult to love and worship a complicated, freakish-looking, three-headed God"

Which makes no sense as God is a Spirit and has no physical form he can be whatever he wants to be.

Bible
Many religions have difficulty with an infinite God, and try to put Him in a box - to define Him in terms they can understand. While the word "trinity" does not appear in the Bible as a description of God, the scriptures definitely indicate one God with a triune nature - existing in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ was Michael the Archangel before becoming a man.
JW
"...the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth"

Bible
There is no basis for this anywhere in the Bible.

After Jesus died, he was resurrected with His original identity as Michael the Archangel.
JW
Read carefully the following Bible account: 'War broke out in heaven: Michael [who is the resurrected Jesus Christ] and his angels battled with the dragon'"

Bible
Michael, on his own, could not rebuke Satan (Jude 1:9), yet in Mark 9:25 Jesus Himself rebukes Satan. Hebrews 2:5 says an angel can't rule the world, but Luke 1:32-33 and Revelation 19:16 show Jesus Christ to be the one who will reign. Therefore, Jesus and Michael can't be one and the same.

Jesus is "a god", and lesser than Jehovah God.
JW
In the JW version of the Bible, John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was a god." [emphasis added] "...that is the Word was a powerful godlike one. Clearly, Jesus is not Almighty God."

Bible
The JW Bible did not provide an accurate or legitimate translation of this verse.

for more sources on this read this link.
John 1:1, "The word was a god" | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

they changed the translation on purpose.
 
ludin said:
yea i think you are wasting your time.

Jesus is not an angel or michael.
He is the Son of God.

He was the Son of Man while on earth which is why Satan attempted to tempt him in the desert.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES - DOCTRINAL COMPARISON CHART

and the two biggest ones that we are dealing with are:

The JW Bible actually is plagued with errors.
JW-Outstanding among Bibles is the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures...Accuracy, uniformity, clarity, and up-to-date language mark this excellent work. Bible study aids without equal make this an indispensable help to sincere searching students of God's Word"

Bible-Greek scholar Bruce Metzger said that "the Jehovah's Witnesses have incorporated in their translation of the New
Testament several quite erroneous renderings of the Greek." ("Jehovah's Witnesses and Jesus Christ," Theology Today, April, 1953).

The Trinity does not exist, and is an evil doctrine that teaches the existence of 3 gods.
"Never was there a more deceptive doctrine advanced than that of the trinity" (Reconciliation, 1928 )
"...sincere persons who want to know the true God and serve him find it a bit difficult to love and worship a complicated, freakish-looking, three-headed God"

Which makes no sense as God is a Spirit and has no physical form he can be whatever he wants to be.

Bible
Many religions have difficulty with an infinite God, and try to put Him in a box - to define Him in terms they can understand. While the word "trinity" does not appear in the Bible as a description of God, the scriptures definitely indicate one God with a triune nature - existing in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus Christ was Michael the Archangel before becoming a man.
JW
"...the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth"

Bible
There is no basis for this anywhere in the Bible.

After Jesus died, he was resurrected with His original identity as Michael the Archangel.
JW
Read carefully the following Bible account: 'War broke out in heaven: Michael [who is the resurrected Jesus Christ] and his angels battled with the dragon'"

Bible
Michael, on his own, could not rebuke Satan (Jude 1:9), yet in Mark 9:25 Jesus Himself rebukes Satan. Hebrews 2:5 says an angel can't rule the world, but Luke 1:32-33 and Revelation 19:16 show Jesus Christ to be the one who will reign. Therefore, Jesus and Michael can't be one and the same.

Jesus is "a god", and lesser than Jehovah God.
JW
In the JW version of the Bible, John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God, and the Word was a god." [emphasis added] "...that is the Word was a powerful godlike one. Clearly, Jesus is not Almighty God."

Bible
The JW Bible did not provide an accurate or legitimate translation of this verse.

for more sources on this read this link.
John 1:1, "The word was a god" | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

they changed the translation on purpose.
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Trust me, I have more history with these guys than I really want to admit. You're preaching to the choir, brother.
 
tosca1 said:
You're not addressing the evidences given to you. You're simply digging in, and saying nay.
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Our image states nothing about a godhead--adding or twisting it does.
 
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