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Presbyterians vote to allow same-sex marriage

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Presbyterians vote to allow same-sex marriage - CNN.com

(CNN) -- The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted Thursday to allow pastors to marry same-sex couples in states where it is legal.The church also voted, by an overwhelming majority, to change the language about marriage in the church constitution to "two persons" from a "man and a woman," according to More Light Presbyterians, a group that supports gay rights.

To take effect, that change would need to be approved by a majority of 172 local presbyteries, which have a year to vote, the church said in a statement.

However, starting Saturday, pastors can go ahead and begin marrying same-sex couples in the states that allow it, according to Toya Richards Jackson, a church spokeswoman.
"The church affirmed all its faithful members today. This vote is an answer to many prayers for the Church to recognize love between committed same-sex couples," said Alex McNeill, executive director at More Light Presbyterians.

"We will keep praying that the majority of our 172 presbyteries will confirm that all loving couples can turn to their churches when they are ready to be married."
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Common sense and reason from a religious organization. Refreshing.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
This is what happens when a church turns away from the God that it purports to serve, and instead substitutes the whims of popular mortal opinion for God's expressed will.
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Exactly. The Presbyterians are also taking the side of the Palestinians over the Israelis, even though God gave that land to Israel.
 
Many faiths are coming around and realizing that there's no reason to be a source of pain in the world like this. Reform Judaism and some branches of Conservative Judaism have been supporting same sex marriage and acceptance of homosexuality for a long time. It is actually quite likely that half or more of global Judaism is pro-gay. Definitely more than half of American Judaism. Israeli Judaism is controlled by more fundamentalist factions, but a large and ever-growing portion of the citizenry are more secular. It wouldn't surprise me to see legal SSM in Israel in the near future.

Our major religions are always behind the curve, but sometimes they start to catch up.
 
Cable said:
It is common, but I wouldn't call it sense:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
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We are indeed seeing this very thing happening, here, and elsewhere: The folly of men being put above the wisdom of God, and the rise of religions and teachers who will tell people the lies that they want to hear rather than the truths that they need to hear.
 
Another demonstration of why the Protestant rejection of authority is bad, it leaves little anchoring one to the truth.
 
A couple of people in this thread remind me of a scene from Deep Space Nine.

Weyoun - All this talk of god strikes me as nothing more than superstitious nonsense

Damar - You believe that the founders are gods don't know?

Weyoun - That's different.

Damar - In what way?

Weyoun - The founders are gods.
 
Paschendale said:
Many faiths are coming around and realizing that there's no reason to be a source of pain in the world like this. Reform Judaism and some branches of Conservative Judaism have been supporting same sex marriage and acceptance of homosexuality for a long time. It is actually quite likely that half or more of global Judaism is pro-gay. Definitely more than half of American Judaism. Israeli Judaism is controlled by more fundamentalist factions, but a large and ever-growing portion of the citizenry are more secular. It wouldn't surprise me to see legal SSM in Israel in the near future.

Our major religions are always behind the curve, but sometimes they start to catch up.
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Not everything you said here is accurate but it does come from the truth.

Yes Reform Judaism does bless gay marriage and has since the 90s
Conservative Judaism also performs same-sex marriages (there are not branches of Conservative Judaism) and the Rabbinic Assembly has written ritual around it.
Reconstructionist Judaism has also performed same-sex marriages since the 90s.
It is only the Orthodox that do not, but there is a growing gay Orthodox community and a 15 year old movie "Trembling Before G-d" already started the conversation in the Orthodox community.

Now in Israel all marriage and a lot of civil life is controlled by individual religious courts. There is no civil marriage (though there is a law that may allow for it that is proposed in the Knesset). Currently all religious authorities do not endorse same-sex couples getting married and that will change if Israel does get civil marriage. But currently both gay and straight couples can file as a couple and gain access to all the same rights as married couples for government purposes and the country has recognized immigrants who were married outside the country who are gay.

So your last line isn't going to be surprising in part because it has been proposed and the overwhelming feeling is to have more freedom.
 
There is not one single person on this Earth that knows what "god" wants, desires, or hopes for.

Not one.

None of you know what god will accept or reject.

In fact, your blatant attitude towards other regarding what you think "he" might want or not want is possibly grounds for your demise, so tread lightly.

I think it's hysterically funny that some people seem to think they can speak for "god".
 
Dragonfly said:
There is not one single person on this Earth that knows what "god" wants, desires, or hopes for.

Not one.

None of you know what god will accept or reject.

In fact, your blatant attitude towards other regarding what you think "he" might want or not want is possibly grounds for your demise, so tread lightly.

I think it's hysterically funny that some people seem to think they can speak for "god".
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What anti-intellectual blather. The natural moral law can be known by reason.
 
Dragonfly said:
So you think you can speak for god?

A yes or no answer will suffice.
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Anyone can say what it is he desires when the matter is evident from reason.
 
Logicman said:
Hardly.

Catherine Booth once remarked, “It is a bad sign for the Christianity of this day when it provokes so little opposition from the world. When the Church and the world can jog along together side by side comfortably, you may be sure there is something wrong.”
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You will see a huge split from the church as a result of that vote. i have a feeling that a majority of the people will go elsewhere.

you are right the church is suppose to be separated from the world and it's views. It doesn't mean that the church is suppose to be accepting, but that doesn't mean that it can't have conviction and a stance on certain issues.

I am just waiting for churches to start being sued. already churches are restricting re-writing their bylaws in an attempt to protect themselves, but i have a feeling that is going to fail.
 
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Dragonfly said:
There is not one single person on this Earth that knows what "god" wants, desires, or hopes for.

Not one.

None of you know what god will accept or reject.

In fact, your blatant attitude towards other regarding what you think "he" might want or not want is possibly grounds for your demise, so tread lightly.

I think it's hysterically funny that some people seem to think they can speak for "god".
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That is why he left us the bible. so that we would know what he wants and what he desires and hopes for.
yes the bible lets us know what God will accept and reject.
 
ludin said:
You will see a huge split from the church as a result of that vote. i have a feeling that a majority of the people will go elsewhere.

you are right the church is suppose to be separated from the world and it's views. It doesn't mean that the church is suppose to be accepting, but that doesn't mean that it can't have conviction and a stance on certain issues.

I am just waiting for churches to start being sued. already churches are restricting re-writing their bylaws in an attempt to protect themselves, but i have a feeling that is going to fail.
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Right on. And if the big churches do get sued and leveled, Biblical Christianity will not disappear. It will go to neighborhood gatherings or even an underground movement if necessary. One thing the anti-God crowd needs to know is that you can't exterminate Christianity because God is right in the middle of it and won't allow it to happen.
 
ludin said:
You will see a huge split from the church as a result of that vote. i have a feeling that a majority of the people will go elsewhere.

you are right the church is suppose to be separated from the world and it's views. It doesn't mean that the church is suppose to be accepting, but that doesn't mean that it can't have conviction and a stance on certain issues.

I am just waiting for churches to start being sued. already churches are restricting re-writing their bylaws in an attempt to protect themselves, but i have a feeling that is going to fail.
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this wouldnt be NEW or have anything to so with SS</Equal rights.

churches have a right to discriminate on religious issues/matters.
THey have turned away MILLIONS of straight couples for many reason. Race, not religious enough, converts etc etc

that is thier right and its not changing, Equal rights for gays doesnt affect it. People have tried and they fail because the constitution isnt changing.

theres no logical reason to be concerned with people suing churches based on SSM
 
Bob Blaylock said:
This is what happens when a church turns away from the God that it purports to serve, and instead substitutes the whims of popular mortal opinion for God's expressed will.
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or when a church reinvents god to be more moral instead of going with some peoples ides of morality century's ago

from their perspective if its wrong to discriminate and condemn against people gay then god cant do that cause he's always good

so people must have gotten the message mixed up some how

either way the worlds a better place for it
 
Logicman said:
Exactly. The Presbyterians are also taking the side of the Palestinians over the Israelis, even though God gave that land to Israel.
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decency is running rampant with them scary
 
Logicman said:
Hardly.

Catherine Booth once remarked, “It is a bad sign for the Christianity of this day when it provokes so little opposition from the world. When the Church and the world can jog along together side by side comfortably, you may be sure there is something wrong.”
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hardly
 
Cable said:
It is common, but I wouldn't call it sense:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
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you can't have sound doctrine that mistreats people when your desire is to be decent towards them

in that case this move is sound no matter how much saying homosexuality is the evils tickles your fancy
 
Paleocon said:
Another demonstration of why the Protestant rejection of authority is bad, it leaves little anchoring one to the truth.
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if any authority were perfect their would be no need to ever reject it and I would be living in part of the catholic British empire instead of the united states of America

and all these forums would be every one saying what a great job all are leaders are doing
 
Paleocon said:
What anti-intellectual blather. The natural moral law can be known by reason.
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that's blather you make up your moral laws so do we all

but let me try reasoning at homosexuality lets see doesn't hurt people because of itself


doesn't limit any one freedoms

some people are happy with it

no one who is not should have to be a member of a homosexual relationship

being gay is ok

and all the hate for the bible just shows that those bits are made up crap that the world is better off without

o lets not forget gay marriage doesn't hurt people because of homosexuality doesn't limit freedom some people are happy with it if your not you don't have to marry some one of the same sex

seems ok

if you want to insist that this means being gay and gay marriage is objectively all right and good id disagree but if you must you must
 
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