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Hinduism and God

I'm not atheist but I don't believe in every word of the bible either. Too me it's unrealistic that humans got history, stories or translations 100% correct.

It's not surprising that the Bronze Age tribesmen who wrote the OT got a lot of things wrong.
 
I'm not atheist but I don't believe in every word of the bible either. Too me it's unrealistic that humans got history, stories or translations 100% correct.

Even the bible indicates in many places that all things have to ultimately serve God, even errors, mistakes and ignorance. Which is all that I believe 'evil' is.

yet when you compare different versions of the older bibles together they are like 99% accurate.

Institute for Religious Research - Is Today's Bible the Real Bible?

yes they in fact were able to get the bible transcribed. there are little to no deviations between scripts.
 
I don't quite understand this, but the Hindu concept of God is not far removed from Christians':

When Hindus say that all their deities share an essence, they mean that everything shares an essence, including their deities.

This is substantially different from Christians, who regard God as entirely distinct from themselves.
 
LDS scriptures solves the dilemma:

29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. (D&C 93)

Evil exists because 1/ there must be opposing forces in existence and so if light exists so does darkness, and 2/ the necessity of free agency.

God is not bound by anything, if he is what the Abrahamic religions make him out to be, an all-powerful God, he can create light without darkness.

He isn't bound by time, logic, space, etc. according to any of the Abrahamic religions. He is the ultimate supreme being of everything that has and ever will exist. As he told Moses, "I AM WHO AM".

Evil exists according to Abrahamic religions because God created it.
 
God is not bound by anything, if he is what the Abrahamic religions make him out to be, an all-powerful God, he can create light without darkness.

He isn't bound by time, logic, space, etc. according to any of the Abrahamic religions. He is the ultimate supreme being of everything that has and ever will exist. As he told Moses, "I AM WHO AM".

Evil exists according to Abrahamic religions because God created it.

The LDS religion is the religion of Abraham. You are not seeing the weaknesses of your point of view and the strengths of what modern revelation has restored.
 
When Hindus say that all their deities share an essence, they mean that everything shares an essence, including their deities.

This is substantially different from Christians, who regard God as entirely distinct from themselves.

I'm having a tough time finding a difference.

Heart of Hinduism: God Perceived inThree Ways

Many Hindus describe God as sat-cid-ananda, full of eternity, knowledge and bliss. These correspond to three main features of the Supreme:

Brahman – residing everywhere
Antaryami – residing within
Bhagavan – residing outside, beyond
Brahman refers to the all-pervading aspect of God, often called "the all-pervading world-soul." Since everything comes from God, it is non-different from Him. Scripture states "everything is Brahman." This sat (eternal) aspect of God is realised by understanding one's own eternal nature as atman.
Antaryami means "the controller within" and refers to God residing within the hearts of all beings. He is sometimes called the Supersoul, Paramatman. The Katha Upanishad likens the soul and the Supersoul to two birds sitting within the same tree (i.e. the heart). The Supersoul is initially perceived in various ways, through memory, instinct, intelligence, inspiration, and exceptional ability. He is the object of meditation for many mystic yogis. This feature of God represents his cit (knowledge) aspect.
Bhagavan means "one endowed with unlimited opulence" and refers to God who lives beyond this material world. Bhagavan is personal and the individual soul can enter into a direct relationship with him, thus experiencing ananda (spiritual pleasure).
 
The LDS religion is the religion of Abraham. You are not seeing the weaknesses of your point of view and the strengths of what modern revelation has restored.

I'd say Catholicism (the first and original christianity), Judaism, and Islam are the main religions of Abraham. There is no one religion of Abraham. Only a jackass who is self centered would believe in that crap.
 
Hinduism is the worst religion on the face of the planet. Caste system, karma, dharma and all that crap. Screw it.
 
It's not surprising that the Bronze Age tribesmen who wrote the OT got a lot of things wrong.

yet when you compare different versions of the older bibles together they are like 99% accurate.

Institute for Religious Research - Is Today's Bible the Real Bible?

yes they in fact were able to get the bible transcribed. there are little to no deviations between scripts.

I used to believe when I was younger what religious people said, that the bible was the Word of God, inspired by Him, 100% correct.

After a few years of reading all the contradictions, changes and weird stuff, like Revelations, it dawned on me that it may be divinely inspired but it's definitely full of human flaws. I've read a lot of religions, history, philosophies and science and realized that they're all about a similar subject, "what is life"?

I believe there's an all inclusive (in control), supreme being that allows us to grow and mature from innocent, unknowledgeable newborns into mature, unique individuals thru DNA, circumstances and experiences. The choices aren't necessarily good and evil as much as enlightened and ignorant, and we never become completely enlightened but hopefully we try, and learn to appreciate each other and existence.
 
Hinduism is the worst religion on the face of the planet. Caste system, karma, dharma and all that crap. Screw it.

The caste system was largely reformed by Buddha.

Don't understand the objection to the other stuff.
 
The caste system was largely reformed by Buddha.

Don't understand the objection to the other stuff.

Because they're tied in together.
if you're born into a caste system don't you dare... DON'T YOU DARE try and get out otherwise in the next life you'll be reborn into a cockroach. That's karma for you. No, be a good <whatever caste system you belong to and the duties that come with it> and you'll be rewarded in the next life with a better position.

It's an atrocious, horrendous enslavement system. One that chained an entire subcontinent to its will. Until westernization stepped in and it started modernizing and breaking chains through the positive influence of western culture.
 
I used to believe when I was younger what religious people said, that the bible was the Word of God, inspired by Him, 100% correct.
the bible is one of the most historically accurate and the accuracy of the translations from time period to time period is very consistant.

After a few years of reading all the contradictions, changes and weird stuff, like Revelations, it dawned on me that it may be divinely inspired but it's definitely full of human flaws. I've read a lot of religions, history, philosophies and science and realized that they're all about a similar subject, "what is life"?

there are no contradictions in the bible. revelations isn't weird as much as it is prophetic, and trying to read revelations without the help of the Holy Spirit is going to be very difficult to understand.

if you would have read the link that i posted there are very few human flaws there. in 1000 years difference there was 3 spelling mistakes found in a book which is insignificant.

I believe there's an all inclusive (in control), supreme being that allows us to grow and mature from innocent, unknowledgeable newborns into mature, unique individuals thru DNA, circumstances and experiences. The choices aren't necessarily good and evil as much as enlightened and ignorant, and we never become completely enlightened but hopefully we try, and learn to appreciate each other and existence.

ahh moral revelists. not a strong position to argue from.
 
Because they're tied in together.
if you're born into a caste system don't you dare... DON'T YOU DARE try and get out otherwise in the next life you'll be reborn into a cockroach. That's karma for you. No, be a good <whatever caste system you belong to and the duties that come with it> and you'll be rewarded in the next life with a better position.

It's an atrocious, horrendous enslavement system. One that chained an entire subcontinent to its will. Until westernization stepped in and it started modernizing and breaking chains through the positive influence of western culture.

How can they be linked? Buddha denounced the caste system, while promoting karmic philosophy, long before the West influenced Indian culture.
 
the bible is one of the most historically accurate and the accuracy of the translations from time period to time period is very consistant.



there are no contradictions in the bible. revelations isn't weird as much as it is prophetic, and trying to read revelations without the help of the Holy Spirit is going to be very difficult to understand.

if you would have read the link that i posted there are very few human flaws there. in 1000 years difference there was 3 spelling mistakes found in a book which is insignificant.



ahh moral revelists. not a strong position to argue from.

I don't disagree that the New Testament is probably fairly accurate because of the Dead Sea Scrolls, written by the Essenes possibly from scriptures only a few hundred years old. I still think some of the parables by Jesus may have been misunderstood or translated out of context.

But the OT, though it had a lot of history that has been archeologically and architecturally verified, has some period specific rules, laws and stories that seem harsh and contradictory.

We've only been able to verify OT writings for from the Torah, I believe?

Besides all the religious references, I believe the only thing you need to really follow is the commandment Jesus gave of loving life (yours and others) above all things.
 
How can they be linked? Buddha denounced the caste system, while promoting karmic philosophy, long before the West influenced Indian culture.

We're talking about hindusim aren't we?
Ok.
 
We're talking about hindusim aren't we?
Ok.

Yep. And if you don't know what Buddha's role in Hinduism is... maybe you're in the wrong thread.
 
Yep. And if you don't know what Buddha's role in Hinduism is... maybe you're in the wrong thread.

I don't think I am.
What I am however is not indulgent in sympathizing or praising a religion that deserves none.
 
I don't think I am.
What I am however is not indulgent in sympathizing or praising a religion that deserves none.

Life of Buddha: Buddha on the Caste System (Part 2)

Life of Buddha: Buddha on the Caste System (Part 2)

The Buddha on the Caste System

At the time of the Buddha the caste system was firmly established in India. According to this system, a person's position in society was determined from the time he was born and there was no way to change his lot in life. There were four castes, or classes, of people in society:

The Brahmins or priests, who claimed to be the highest caste and the purest of peoples
The warriors
The merchants and traders
The untouchables, who were considered the lowest class. They became workers and servants who did all the menial jobs, and were treated as slaves.
The Buddha condemned the caste system, which he considered unjust. He pointed out that there existed wicked and cruel people as well as virtuous and kind people in every caste. Any person who had committed a crime would be punished accordingly by his karma no matter what caste he belonged to. He said a person may be considered to have come from a high or low caste according to his good and bad deeds. Therefore, according to the Buddha it is the good and bad actions of a person and not his birth that should determine his caste.

The Buddha introduced the idea of placing a higher value on morality and the equality of people instead of on which family or caste a person is born into. This was also the first attempt to abolish discrimination and slavery in the history of mankind.

The Buddha said:

By birth one is not an outcaste,
By birth one is not a Brahmin;
By deeds alone one is an outcaste,
By deeds alone one is a Brahmin
 
Also, in Hinduism, Buddha is revered as a great reformer, and is worshipped through Vishnu as one of his greatest avatars. That's how he's relevant to Hinduism.
 

It doesn't matter what Buddha did because the caste system and the affiliated doctrines of karma and dharma still persisted.

It was the western empires who abolished slavery on a global scale. The greatest humanitarian and civil rights achievement in the world was done by the British and French empires who together owned or exerted influence in most of the world and managed for the first time ever to abolish slavery in 2 of the largest slave ridden places in the world, Africa and India.
 
It doesn't matter what Buddha did because the caste system and the affiliated doctrines of karma and dharma still persisted.

I understand. By linking slavery to karma, you can attack a whole culture by attacking slavery. How very... obvious.
 
I understand. By linking slavery to karma, you can attack a whole culture by attacking slavery. How very... obvious.

dharma and karma. They work hand in hand. One tells you to be happy that you're born into a role predetermined simply because you belong to caste for all your life... and the other tells you that should you dare, should you have the audacity to leave your caste or even attempt it, your next life you'll be born into an ever lower being. It's the perfect form of slavery.

I am not attacking the culture, whatever you mean by that. I am attacking the religion of hinduism which is a crappy religion. In my view, the worst religion to ever exist and it's disgraceful that it still exists today and still exerts power in India which one of the main problems I have with it. Ofc, the caste system which again, Buddha, no Buddha, same crap, he didn't do a dent in it, the caste system is just one of the bad things about hinduism.

This doesn't mean that indians are bad people. Being of a certain religion doesn't make you good or bad. You don't get to pat yourself on the back and say "I'm X religion or Y religion" and say you're such a good boy. Oh no no no. You're a good boy when you behave and obey in full the laws of a country and pay respect to the morality code and the proper manners of society. If you disobey the laws, you're not a good boy. If you are ill-mannered, you're not well-behaved. You could be a satanist for all I care, as long as you don't break the law and are well-adjusted, i don't care what your religion is.

But as far as religions go, hinduism is the worst religion on the planet that ever was. #1.
 
dharma and karma. They work hand in hand. One tells you to be happy that you're born into a role predetermined simply because you belong to caste for all your life... and the other tells you that should you dare, should you have the audacity to leave your caste or even attempt it, your next life you'll be born into an ever lower being. It's the perfect form of slavery.

Karma and the caste system are completely separate.

I am not attacking the culture

Except that you said Indian culture and society were garbage until the West came along and modernized it.

But as far as religions go, hinduism is the worst religion on the planet that ever was. #1.

Take that, Satanism!
 
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