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Do Muslims know Jesus?

Amadeus

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The answer is yes.

The Quran mentions Jesus (favourably) numerous times. More than it does Muhammed himself, actually, and consider Jesus to be a Prophet of God equal to Muhammed.

It doesn't consider Jesus to be God incarnate. But then neither does Judaism or Mormonism. It appears that Jesus is revered far more in Islam than he is in Judaism -- although the notion that Jesus is God is equally heretical in both theologies.

Food for thought.
 
It isn't surprising that Muslims revere him more than Jews, as Islam was a latecomer to the religious scene, and Judaism was in existence prior to his birth.
 
It isn't surprising that Muslims revere him more than Jews, as Islam was a latecomer to the religious scene, and Judaism was in existence prior to his birth.

True. It is just interesting that, although Judaic followers refer to Jesus rather disparagingly (false prophet), Christians draw from Judaic scripture and (currently) have a less tolerant view of Islam.

Mad world.
 
The answer is yes.

The Quran mentions Jesus (favourably) numerous times. More than it does Muhammed himself, actually, and consider Jesus to be a Prophet of God equal to Muhammed.

It doesn't consider Jesus to be God incarnate. But then neither does Judaism or Mormonism. It appears that Jesus is revered far more in Islam than he is in Judaism -- although the notion that Jesus is God is equally heretical in both theologies.

Food for thought.
hi amadeus

now that qoran was sent to people after the other books ,it has to mention jesus.we dont believe he is god but accept his divine character as a prophet because of his miracles
 
True. It is just interesting that, although Judaic followers refer to Jesus rather disparagingly (false prophet), Christians draw from Judaic scripture and (currently) have a less tolerant view of Islam.

Mad world.

Well, it's pretty easy to explain imo. The Jews don't accept the religion that came after theirs was conceived, and Christians don't accept the one that came along after theirs, but they accept much of Judaism because their religion is based on it, in part. Many people tend to believe that their religion is the one true religion, so anything that comes after won't be accepted easily.
 
The answer is yes.

The Quran mentions Jesus (favourably) numerous times. More than it does Muhammed himself, actually, and consider Jesus to be a Prophet of God equal to Muhammed.

It doesn't consider Jesus to be God incarnate. But then neither does Judaism or Mormonism. It appears that Jesus is revered far more in Islam than he is in Judaism -- although the notion that Jesus is God is equally heretical in both theologies.

Food for thought.

Mormonism most certainly does consider Jesus god incarnate.

But, you're right about the Muslims. They see him as a prophet.

Why the radical Islamists go so totally against Jesus' teachings I don't know, but then, some of the folks calling themselves Christians don't follow his philosophy so closely either.
 
Well, it's pretty easy to explain imo. The Jews don't accept the religion that came after theirs was conceived, and Christians don't accept the one that came along after theirs, but they accept much of Judaism because their religion is based on it, in part. Many people tend to believe that their religion is the one true religion, so anything that comes after won't be accepted easily.

in fact qoran says everybody's test is different from the others and other societies..
 
Mormonism most certainly does consider Jesus god incarnate.

But, you're right about the Muslims. They see him as a prophet.

Why the radical Islamists go so totally against Jesus' teachings I don't know, but then, some of the folks calling themselves Christians don't follow his philosophy so closely either.

radical islamists are against Qoran's teachings too
 
The answer is yes.

The Quran mentions Jesus (favourably) numerous times. More than it does Muhammed himself, actually, and consider Jesus to be a Prophet of God equal to Muhammed.

It doesn't consider Jesus to be God incarnate. But then neither does Judaism or Mormonism. It appears that Jesus is revered far more in Islam than he is in Judaism -- although the notion that Jesus is God is equally heretical in both theologies.

Food for thought.

From conversations I've had with Muslims that I used to work with, the impression that I get is that to them, Jesus was actually by far the greatest and most important prophet, more so that Mohammed. At some point, I posed a question regarding the concept of a Messiah or Christ, and although my Muslim friend didn't really want to quite acknowledge either of those words, he did acknowledge such a concept, and to the degree that the concept is recognized by Muslims, Jesus was it. Christians, or course, are defined by believing that Jesus was the Messiah or Christ, while Jews believe that a Messiah or Christ is yet to come, but that Jesus was not it.


An impression I get as to the role of Mohammad, as understood by Muslims, is this: After he was taken into heaven (Muslims don't believe that Jesus actually died on the cross; they believe that God took him off the cross, took him into heaven, and put someone else on the cross in his place who deserved that fate), they believe that Jesus' followers greatly exaggerated and distorted who Jesus was, and what he taught, and that Mohammad's role was largely to try to set the world straight from those distortions.

Someone who is actually a Muslim could probably give a more useful and accurate account of these beliefs than I have just given.


I am a Mormon, and one thing you said here about Mormons, while technically correct, is misleading, and I feel a need to offer a clarification:

[Islam] doesn't consider Jesus to be God incarnate. But then neither does Judaism or Mormonism.

Most of Christianity believes in the “trinity”, as defined by the Athanasian Creed, which holds that somehow all three members of the Trinity are at once separate individuals, and only one being. It really doesn't make sense to me. But those who hold to it believe that God the Father and Jesus the son are the same being; that Jesus is the Father having taken on a mortal, physical form.

Mormons do not believe this. We believe in the same three beings, as members of the Godhead, but we are clear that these are three individual beings. Jesus is not the same being as God the Father, not Got the father incarnate; but literally the son of God the Father, exactly as he claimed to be.
 
Mormonism most certainly does consider Jesus god incarnate.

Actually, not; at least not as I would understand the term “God incarnate”. Of the three beings who comprise the Godhead, the term “God” usually refers to the Father. I understand describing Jesus as “God incarnate” to mean that the Father took on a physical form, and that Jesus is the Father in that form. We do not believe this. We believe that Jesus is a completely separate individual, literally the son of God the Father.
 
Actually, not; at least not as I would understand the term “God incarnate”. Of the three beings who comprise the Godhead, the term “God” usually refers to the Father. I understand describing Jesus as “God incarnate” to mean that the Father took on a physical form, and that Jesus is the Father in that form. We do not believe this. We believe that Jesus is a completely separate individual, literally the son of God the Father.

Yes, that's right, but don't Mormons believe that Jesus is god, and that he came to Earth to redeem mankind?

I've never really understood the trinity idea, that Jesus was god and the son of god at the same time, but the Mormon teaching about the godhead does make sense to me.
 
The answer is yes.

The Quran mentions Jesus (favourably) numerous times. More than it does Muhammed himself, actually, and consider Jesus to be a Prophet of God equal to Muhammed.

It doesn't consider Jesus to be God incarnate. But then neither does Judaism or Mormonism. It appears that Jesus is revered far more in Islam than he is in Judaism -- although the notion that Jesus is God is equally heretical in both theologies.

Food for thought.
I don't think you understand the context of the reference.

In an effort to win converts and gain Credibility, Mohammed made Judaism's and Christianity's prophets his too.
That made HIM/His 'Allah' more credible/the same god to others.
Additionally, in an effort to win Jewish converts, he changed the direction of prayer to Jerusalem for a while.
Didn't work so he changed it back to Mecca.
Go figure.

That's why Islam acknowledges other prophets, (Moses too) so IT can be 'the great incorporator' of Abrahamism.
Actually, converts to Islam are patronistically called 'reverts' since everyone would just be going back to the 'true religion', even those born before it existed.

Of course, Muslims do not believe Jesus is the son of god or god incarnate, that would be blasphemy.
And I can tell you that while they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet, it's a completely Hollow designation motivated by my explanation above.
I've posted on Muslim message boards for a decade and they'll all be glad to tell you that they acknowledge Jesus, BUT "the NT is Corrupt" and "we don't know a single word he said".
So they acknowledge a 'prophet' with a corrupted or No message whatsoever.
 
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Mormonism most certainly does consider Jesus god incarnate.

My Mormonism is a bit rusty, and perhaps outdated. I thought Jesus, God (Eloheim), and Lucifer were separate beings.
 
My Mormonism is a bit rusty, and perhaps outdated. I thought Jesus, God (Eloheim), and Lucifer were separate beings.

yes, separate beings. If god only refers to god the father, then you're correct, but Mormons do believe that Jesus was/is divine.
 
yes, separate beings. If god only refers to god the father, then you're correct, but Mormons do believe that Jesus was/is divine.

This is true. I am unsure if there is a supreme deity in Mormonism (my guess would be Eloheim, the father of Jesus/Lucifier). I believe the teachings of Mormonism say that an ascended Mormon is a god, and each rules a planet.
 
The answer is yes.

The Quran mentions Jesus (favourably) numerous times. More than it does Muhammed himself, actually, and consider Jesus to be a Prophet of God equal to Muhammed.

It doesn't consider Jesus to be God incarnate. But then neither does Judaism or Mormonism. It appears that Jesus is revered far more in Islam than he is in Judaism -- although the notion that Jesus is God is equally heretical in both theologies.

Food for thought.

Yep, Jesus is a prophet if I'm not correct. Just not as high a standing as Mohammad.

Never understood why public schools never had theology courses.
 
Yes, that's right, but don't Mormons believe that Jesus is god, and that he came to Earth to redeem mankind?

I've never really understood the trinity idea, that Jesus was god and the son of god at the same time, but the Mormon teaching about the godhead does make sense to me.

I suppose the use of the word “God” leads to some confusion. We usually understand and use the term to refer to the Father. But in some sense, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are also “God”. They are three separate and individual beings, but they all share in this one title. During the Old Testament time, we believe that the Father (who we sometimes identify by the name “Elohim”) delegated to the Son the task of being “God”. The one “God” that the Old Testament people knew, Jehovah, was the Son. So in a sense, I suppose you could say that Jesus was this “God”, incarnate, come to Earth. But we don't really think of it that way. In our time, we recognize Elohim as “God”. and Jesus, his literal son, as the one through whom he has delegated most of his authority regarding us. It is to the Father that we direct our prayers, but we do so in the name of Jesus.
 
This is true. I am unsure if there is a supreme deity in Mormonism (my guess would be Eloheim, the father of Jesus/Lucifier). I believe the teachings of Mormonism say that an ascended Mormon is a god, and each rules a planet.

Personally, I think Mormonism is idiotic as ****, but whatever, I don't wanna cause a ruckus over this.

Besides I'm not big on religion in general.
 
I suppose the use of the word “God” leads to some confusion. We usually understand and use the term to refer to the Father. But in some sense, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are also “God”. They are three separate and individual beings, but they all share in this one title. During the Old Testament time, we believe that the Father (who we sometimes identify by the name “Elohim”) delegated to the Son the task of being “God”. The one “God” that the Old Testament people knew, Jehovah, was the Son. So in a sense, I suppose you could say that Jesus was this “God”, incarnate, come to Earth. But we don't really think of it that way. In our time, we recognize Elohim as “God”. and Jesus, his literal son, as the one through whom he has delegated most of his authority regarding us. It is to the Father that we direct our prayers, but we do so in the name of Jesus.

Elohim is just a title, Hebrew for "Lord", I'm not sure that constitutes as a name.

The closest thing we have to a name for God when referring to Abrahamic religions is YAHWEH.
 
Yep, Jesus is a prophet if I'm not correct. Just not as high a standing as Mohammad.

Never understood why public schools never had theology courses.

I actually think a theology course [in public schools] would be great... but not sure everyone would go for it, because you'd have to treat all religions as equal.
 
I actually think a theology course [in public schools] would be great... but not sure everyone would go for it, because you'd have to treat all religions as equal.

I doubt there would be a problem with it. In private religious schools, they have general religion classes, and history of religion classes, as opposed to Christian-only classes which are pushing Christianity (which seems to be a common misconception regarding private Christian schools).
 
I don't think you understand the context of the reference.

In an effort to win converts and gain Credibility, Mohammed made Judaism's and Christianity's prophets his too.
That made HIM/His 'Allah' more credible/the same god to others.
Additionally, in an effort to win Jewish converts, he changed the direction of prayer to Jerusalem for a while.
Didn't work so he changed it back to Mecca.
Go figure.

That's why Islam acknowledges other prophets, (Moses too) so IT can be 'the great incorporator' of Abrahamism.
Actually, converts to Islam are patronistically called 'reverts' since everyone would just be going back to the 'true religion', even those born before it existed.

Of course, Muslims do not believe Jesus is the son of god or god incarnate, that would be blasphemy.
And I can tell you that while they acknowledge Jesus as a prophet, it's a completely Hollow designation motivated by my explanation above.
I've posted on Muslim message boards for a decade and they'll all be glad to tell you that they acknowledge Jesus, BUT "the NT is Corrupt" and "we don't know a single word he said".
So they acknowledge a 'prophet' with a corrupted or No message whatsoever.

the same reason why jesus's followers agreed that moses was a prophet too
 
I actually think a theology course [in public schools] would be great... but not sure everyone would go for it, because you'd have to treat all religions as equal.

XD

I think people have a misconception of theology. Some people think it imposes religion on people (nope) and of course like you pointed out some of the more hardcore Christians hate the thought of their children learning about Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, etc.
 
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