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Punishing the Children for the "Sins" of Their Parents????

Dragonfly

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http://news.yahoo.com/800-babies-buried-septic-tank-irish-home-unmarried-143858913.html


Dublin (AFP) - Almost 800 babies and children were buried in a mass grave in Ireland near a home for unmarried mothers run by nuns, according to new research Wednesday which throws more light on the Irish Catholic Church's troubled past.


Death records suggest 796 children, from newborns to eight-year-olds, were deposited in a grave near a Catholic-run home for unmarried mothers during the 35 years it operated from 1925 to 1961.
Historian Catherine Corless, who made the discovery, says her study of death records for the St Mary's home in Tuam in County Galway suggests that a former septic tank near the home was a mass grave.
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Thousands of unmarried pregnant women -- labelled at the time as 'fallen women' -- were sent to the homes to have their babies.The women were ostracised by the conservative-Catholic society and were often forced to hand over their children for adoption.
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Conservative Catholic teaching at the time denied children of unmarried parents baptism and therefore burial in consecrated lands.
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The development is a yet another damning disclosure of a Church-run institution in Ireland following almost countless revelations of abuse and neglect at Catholic-run schools or institutions in recent decades.
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Please please please explain to me how ANYONE can support the churches position on this????

The mother commits a "sin", and therefore the child must also be condemned to suffer for something he/she had no control over?????

This seems so horrific and barbaric, and it's not something that only happened hundreds of years ago either.

How do you rationalize this kind of thought process with the rest of your religion?
 
Dragonfly said:
http://news.yahoo.com/800-babies-buried-septic-tank-irish-home-unmarried-143858913.html












Please please please explain to me how ANYONE can support the churches position on this????

The mother commits a "sin", and therefore the child must also be condemned to suffer for something he/she had no control over?????

This seems so horrific and barbaric, and it's not something that only happened hundreds of years ago either.

How do you rationalize this kind of thought process with the rest of your religion?
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Nothing but darkness comes out of a building called a church-- trinity based religions--the world sees a disunified mass of confusion 1 cor 1:10)---not of God or his son.
 
There is already a thread on this in the Abortion forum that you might be interested. In case you're not, indicting an entire church because of the callous way that dead babies at one home for unwed mothers in Ireland between 1925 and 1961 doesn't really work for me. I'd say it's a handy excuse to attack people of faith if it weren't such a desperate clutching at straws.
 
Dragonfly said:
800 babies buried in septic tank at Irish home for unmarried mothers

Please please please explain to me how ANYONE can support the churches position on this????

The mother commits a "sin", and therefore the child must also be condemned to suffer for something he/she had no control over?????

This seems so horrific and barbaric, and it's not something that only happened hundreds of years ago either.

How do you rationalize this kind of thought process with the rest of your religion?
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One can't rationalize it. One can only be glad such an idiotic belief has changed. Painful to think about.

I've always been amazed by the "rules" of the Catholic Church and question why anyone would accept the god they describe.

Limbo for Infants is another such belief. Limbo: the edge of hell. A child who dies without having been baptized is not "eligible" for heaven. "The Church" only has the profound hope that God is merciful and will overlook this horrible state. Me? I like to think they will be taken to heaven on angel's wings.
 
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Dragonfly said:
800 babies buried in septic tank at Irish home for unmarried mothers

Please please please explain to me how ANYONE can support the churches position on this????

The mother commits a "sin", and therefore the child must also be condemned to suffer for something he/she had no control over?????

This seems so horrific and barbaric, and it's not something that only happened hundreds of years ago either.

How do you rationalize this kind of thought process with the rest of your religion?
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Of course it's not okay - and I doubt that the overall church body supported killing the children. It sounds like they claimed 'they died and we weren't allowed to bury them on holy ground' as a cover up for the mass grave. The reality looks like they were just disposed of to get rid of them for convenience. So I doubt that the church knew they were being murdered. Instead, it was the actions of a few depraved individuals who kept it a secret or lied about how they died.

There are MANY cases such as this throughout history - people will take advantage of young mothers who cannot keep their children for financial gain. Some of the earlier known mass murderers did this - like the sisters who ran an orphanage and really just threw all the children in the river to drown them after collecting money from the family and church.

Taking care of children requires time, effort, and a way to provide the necessities - always has and always will.

When people are not willing or able to do all of the above then the unwanted do suffer for it - always have.

This fact of life is why I support abortion - If you're not going to adequately and lovingly care for your child for whatever reason, at least go about things a little more humanely, before they become fully developed and are able to truly suffer.

Yet - even with birth control being fully legal, even with adoption being widely available, even with abortion being low-cost and widely available, we have thousands and thousands of cases of severe abuse, neglect, and infanticide every year in the US. Many other countries who disallow some or all of these things have numbers that are even worse.

There's htis false belief that if you don't want a baby all you have to do is truck it to the local orphanage / adoption center where willing parents are lined up waiting to take your little bundle home - which is bull**** far too often.
 
Dragonfly said:
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Please please please explain to me how ANYONE can support the churches position on this????

The mother commits a "sin", and therefore the child must also be condemned to suffer for something he/she had no control over?????

This seems so horrific and barbaric, and it's not something that only happened hundreds of years ago either.

How do you rationalize this kind of thought process with the rest of your religion?
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Church law does not forbid baptism to the children of unmarried women, nor did it.
 
Dragonfly said:
800 babies buried in septic tank at Irish home for unmarried mothers












Please please please explain to me how ANYONE can support the churches position on this????

The mother commits a "sin", and therefore the child must also be condemned to suffer for something he/she had no control over?????

This seems so horrific and barbaric, and it's not something that only happened hundreds of years ago either.

How do you rationalize this kind of thought process with the rest of your religion?
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put god 1st doesn't matter what happens to any one else so long as god wants it its good and just

can be horrible if people believe god comes 1st and wants things you consider bad
 
Dragonfly said:
800 babies buried in septic tank at Irish home for unmarried mothers

Please please please explain to me how ANYONE can support the churches position on this????

The mother commits a "sin", and therefore the child must also be condemned to suffer for something he/she had no control over?????

This seems so horrific and barbaric, and it's not something that only happened hundreds of years ago either.

How do you rationalize this kind of thought process with the rest of your religion?
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What's so surprising about that? AS we see today....people can easily be deceived into doing something evil. They can even be persuaded into thinking that an evil act is actually doing good.

Just look at abortion, and the millions who promote it!
 
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