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The Noble Eightfold Path vs. The Ten Commandments [W:218]

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1. So, if you either don't know, or do not share in the objective criteria, how would you judge such a thing? If no one knows what those objective criteria might be, do we have to take it on faith that they exist?

2. We'd know because human ethical standards have evolved to the point where human sacrifice is universally accepted to be wrong.

3. Nature doesn't have an eternal immutable form that can be pinpointed. It is in a constant state of flux, even fundamental forces such as gravity alter according to circumstances.

4. So, in order to be an ethical atheist you have to accept the values placed in things according to God's criteria? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

1. Oh I think for example, the golden rule is objective, I also think that th ethical principle of the innate value of human life is objective.

2. So they wern't morally wrong before?

3. fair enough, but you get my point.

4. Absolutely .... because I think as an atheist you have Your metaphysics wrong, that doesn't mean you can't have Your ethics right ....
 
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it gives you reasons to judge things a certain way instead of

going this is bad, good or meh, just because some one else says so
 
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How is it not consistant with itself and depends on individuals desires? You're confusing moral EPISTEMOLOGY and moral ONTOLOGY.



Or it's the other way around, Pedophilia is wrong, and thus we feel that it's wrong.



Scientiful theories are also only as influential as those who support it .... This isn't an argument, you're mixing moral epistemology with ontology.

Why would any one who believes in the subjective nature of morality give a rats ass about anyone elses desires? Why should they? Who says they are worthy of consideration? Unless it's just a utalitarian manipulative way to get stuff from other people.

Even if we don't agree that racism is wrong ... there IS a fact of the matter, it's either morally permissable to be gay, or it's not.

lets examin this then shall we


I don't have nay problem with homosexuality I have no reason to treat it as worn as far as I can tell the would is not a worse place for me because of it. Its neutral morally at worst to me

now lets assume objective molarity exists and it says homosexuality is immoral

what's that actually change? how dose the independent morality judgment effect any one else's morals? or have any meaning other then being a statement no one actually has to know about or say

( how such a thing can be said to exist I don't get )
 
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lets examin this then shall we

I don't have nay problem with homosexuality I have no reason to treat it as worn as far as I can tell the would is not a worse place for me because of it. Its neutral morally at worst to me

now lets assume objective molarity exists and it says homosexuality is immoral

what's that actually change? how dose the independent morality judgment effect any one else's morals? or have any meaning other then being a statement no one actually has to know about or say

( how such a thing can be said to exist I don't get )

Well, if by some objective moral criteria homosexuality is wrong, and yo ubeleive it isn't, then you're wrong.

the same way if a Scientific discovery is wrong, nothing has changed, other than it being seen as wrong.

if you hold something as morally right rather that is morally wrong, then you are obliged to change, in order to be moral.
 
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Well, if by some objective moral criteria homosexuality is wrong, and yo ubeleive it isn't, then you're wrong.

the same way if a Scientific discovery is wrong, nothing has changed, other than it being seen as wrong.

if you hold something as morally right rather that is morally wrong, then you are obliged to change, in order to be moral.

but what's moral mean in that case? because it can no longer be this


r·al
[mawr-uhl, mor-] Show IPA

adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
 
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but what's moral mean in that case? because it can no longer be this


r·al
[mawr-uhl, mor-] Show IPA

adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.

I think it's still the same definition ...
 
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I think it's still the same definition ...

how's that work? something is objectively moral or immoral because?
 
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how's that work? something is objectively moral or immoral because?

It lines up or doesn't With ethical values which are binding.
 
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It lines up or doesn't With ethical values which are binding.

how's an ethical value become binding?
 
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how's an ethical value become binding?

In the sense that you are morally obligated to it, whether or not you believe you are.

For example, even if you believe child abuse is a-ok, it still isn't, and you are morally obligated to abstain from it.
 
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In the sense that you are morally obligated to it, whether or not you believe you are.

For example, even if you believe child abuse is a-ok, it still isn't, and you are morally obligated to abstain from it.

wait so molarity depends on ethics which depends on morality seems circular
 
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wait so molarity depends on ethics which depends on morality seems circular

I wasn't using them distinctly honestly, I was kind of using the interchangably ....
 
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I wasn't using them distinctly honestly, I was kind of using the interchangably ....

im still very confused
 
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im still very confused

Lets say I'm a Kantian, and I believe that morality is determined from some sort of categorical imperative and universality, that morality must be based be objective in some kind of way to Count.

I personally believe Kantian ethics mixed With virtue ethics is a very plausable account of ethics, but unless we Accept that ethics are objective, it's pointless to talk about them.

I don't think I'm being unclear here.
 
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