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The Noble Eightfold Path vs. The Ten Commandments [W:218]

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1. Which national law is based on the 10 Commandments?

2. Buddhists believe that evil comes from within. Siddhartha encountered demons on the path to becoming a Buddha, but realized that he was fighting against himself.

1. The ANcient Nation of Israel.

2. But what IS evil and why?
 
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1. The ANcient Nation of Israel.

Okay, but not the modern nation of Israel.

But what IS evil and why?

According to Buddhism, evil is a product of greed, violence, and aggression. What is evil in Judeo-Christian theology? Aside from Pan.
 
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1. Okay, but not the modern nation of Israel.

2. According to Buddhism, evil is a product of greed, violence, and aggression. What is evil in Judeo-Christian theology? Aside from Pan.

1. No ....

2. Why?

In Judeo-Christian theology, evil is what is opposed to God, inwhome Goodness exists.
 
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I understand, translations can be tricky as in may foreign languages there is no corresponding word or phrase in English for it. Who knows what the original Pali, Sanskrit, to Thai or Lao to English might have lost.

Forgive me as I tried to match up what you posted with what I learned as the eight fold path

1) Control your thoughts. Right Thought
2) Resist evil. Right Effort
3) Practice meditation. Right Mindfulness
4) Say nothing to hurt others. Right Speech
5) Know the truth. Right understanding
6) Free your mind of evil. Right Concentration
7) Work for the good of others. Right Action
8) Respect life. Right Livelihood

Would this be close?

That works for me.

Re: the OP, the difference between the two sets of precepts seems to me to be that one is a suggested programme and the other a set of rules. Of course there are karmic consequences for ignoring or rejecting wisdom in Buddhism - the perpetual continuation of Samsara etc - but given that Buddhism has no concept of sin, the two are difficult to treat in the same way.

Paschendale said:
Every religion likes to pick and choose and filters their supposedly unalterable beliefs through a modern lens. How about we build our philosophical ideas for human goodness out of actual human society, instead of relying on divine or magical inspirations? That seems the vastly superior choice.

I'm not sure about whether I have the wisdom to decide the 'superior' way for anyone, even myself, but the reason I try to practice Buddhist principles is because I don't believe in gods and magic, while at the same time, I don't believe that human knowledge has reached the stage of being able to explain everything in purely materialistic terms. I'm pretty agnostic on many of the metaphysical ideas of most religions, Buddhism included, but that doesn't prevent me from seeing the value and truth of the practices and insights that the Lord Buddha passed on to us.

I see the dogmatism and orthodoxy that both materialists and deists often try to impose as being an attempt to obscure rather than reveal truth. That's why I find the open-mindedness inherent in following Buddha's teachings compelling.
 
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I understand giving God props, but does he have to make it a sin not to love him?

I don't think he had to explicitly define this, it is intrinsic. Otherwise it works out to: "Thanks for life God, but I'll handle it from here."
 
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Okay, but not the modern nation of Israel.
According to Buddhism, evil is a product of greed, violence, and aggression. What is evil in Judeo-Christian theology? Aside from Pan.

15Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also? 17“Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? 18“But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. 19“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20“These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.”
 
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Because actions resulting from greed and violence affect your personal karma. You are ultimately responsible for balancing your karma, and should you have a negative balance when your time is up, you're reap what you sow in the next stage of your existence. It is a religion of personal responsibility and accountability.

In Judeo-Christian theology, evil is what is opposed to God, inwhome Goodness exists.

Which would be great if God were consistent, infallible, and revealed his intentions a little more often.
 
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Which would be great if God were consistent, infallible, and revealed his intentions a little more often.

Well, it would certainly make practice a lot less important and demanding.
 
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I don't think he had to explicitly define this, it is intrinsic. Otherwise it works out to: "Thanks for life God, but I'll handle it from here."

I know we're moving past the Judaic Commandments, but he does specify that should you worship or pay homage to another god, that's definite strike against you. Rather than include things like "no slavery" in this laws, he spends a good portion talking about himself. And also seems to have a beef with engravers (artists), for some reason.
 
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1. No ....

2. Why?

In Judeo-Christian theology, evil is what is opposed to God, inwhome Goodness exists.

why dose goodness exist in god?
 
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1. Because actions resulting from greed and violence affect your personal karma. You are ultimately responsible for balancing your karma, and should you have a negative balance when your time is up, you're reap what you sow in the next stage of your existence. It is a religion of personal responsibility and accountability.

2. Which would be great if God were consistent, infallible, and revealed his intentions a little more often.

1. In otherwords for selfish reasons ... (It's not a coincidence that a kind of westernist buddhism is very popular With the western buisiness class, it's because ultimately it's an individualistic egotistical philosophy which fits very well With modern capitalist culture).

2. He is, and he reveals his intentions as much as necessary.
 
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why dose goodness exist in god?

It's it God's very Nature. God IS God, just as God IS Love, it's intrinsic to him.
 
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I know we're moving past the Judaic Commandments, but he does specify that should you worship or pay homage to another god, that's definite strike against you. Rather than include things like "no slavery" in this laws, he spends a good portion talking about himself. And also seems to have a beef with engravers (artists), for some reason.

It is interesting, contrasting what you are posting about Buddhism with Christianity. I've never really seen it before. But I don't really want to take your thread in a direction you hadn't intended.
But in answer to the above: Wouldn't worshiping other gods be deviating from Truth? That is a sin even in your belief.
Why would God not talk about himself? We need to know him.
 
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It's it God's very Nature. God IS God, just as God IS Love, it's intrinsic to him.

you must mean something else by good then I do for me good is what's desirable

is god that kind of good as well and if so why?

and if good is just whatever your god wants or whatever your god dose then why should people go along with that kind of good?
 
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It is interesting, contrasting what you are posting about Buddhism with Christianity. I've never really seen it before. But I don't really want to take your thread in a direction you hadn't intended.
But in answer to the above: Wouldn't worshiping other gods be deviating from Truth? That is a sin even in your belief.
Why would God not talk about himself? We need to know him.

Buddhism is indifferent on the subject of gods, even though it derives from Hinduism. Buddhism says that whether or not gods exist, you cannot depend on them for help. You can only depend on yourself. Thus paying homage to a deity would be pointless, although it is entirely your choice.
 
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you must mean something else by good then I do for me good is what's desirable

is god that kind of good as well and if so why?

and if good is just whatever your god wants or whatever your god dose then why should people go along with that kind of good?

When I say good, I mean Moral Good, in otherwords what is Ethically Good or not.

Ice cream is "good" but it isn't a moral Good. Taking a bullet to save Your friend isn't desirable, it doesn't feel good, but it is morally good.
 
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When I say good, I mean Moral Good, in otherwords what is Ethically Good or not.

Ice cream is "good" but it isn't a moral Good. Taking a bullet to save Your friend isn't desirable, it doesn't feel good, but it is morally good.

but you must want to save your friend or else why would it be morally good?
 
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1. In otherwords for selfish reasons ... (It's not a coincidence that a kind of westernist buddhism is very popular With the western buisiness class, it's because ultimately it's an individualistic egotistical philosophy which fits very well With modern capitalist culture).

I'm not sure if it is capitalist, since it specifically suggests that you detach yourself from your possessions and free your mind of greed.

2. He is, and he reveals his intentions as much as necessary.

Don't really have a strong compulsion to open this can of worms, but the Bible more or less indicates that God cannot time travel or see into the future. Unless he's pretending to not be able to.
 
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but you must want to save your friend or else why would it be morally good?

What makes it good is not whether or not you want to do it ....
 
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But in answer to the above: Wouldn't worshiping other gods be deviating from Truth? That is a sin even in your belief.
No, it's not a sin. There are no sins, there are just things which are helpful and unhelpful to realising reality.

RGacky said:
In otherwords for selfish reasons ... (It's not a coincidence that a kind of westernist buddhism is very popular With the western buisiness class, it's because ultimately it's an individualistic egotistical philosophy which fits very well With modern capitalist culture).
That is Misconception of Buddhism, #1. It is not individualistic if you accept the reality that there is no such thing as 'me', if you realise that I am you, and you are your dog, and the dog and the tree it cocks its leg against are really the same thing, elements of creation. The idea that you are really only able to control your own behaviour and mind reflects nature. We all influence one another, but only control what is within our own control, like electrons in an atom, it affects the other elements of the whole atom, but does not control the behaviour of any other.
 
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What makes it good is not whether or not you want to do it ....

then what makes it good? and what value dose good have then?
 
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1. I'm not sure if it is capitalist, since it specifically suggests that you detach yourself from your possessions and free your mind of greed.

2. Don't really have a strong compulsion to open this can of worms, but the Bible more or less indicates that God cannot time travel or see into the future. Unless he's pretending to not be able to.

1. detach yourself from Your possessions, so what? It basically means detach yourself from being ruled by them, so you can act more efficiently in the market Place, I don't want People to be detached, I want People to be Attached, they should KNOW and be involved With where their material posessions come from, how they came about and so on .... I suggest you read Slavoj Zizeks writings on Christianity and Buddhism.

2. What? Based on what?
 
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then what makes it good? and what value dose good have then?

What Makes it good is whether or not it coincides With Goodness, whether or not it is morally good, whether or not it's a virtue, and whether or not it's inline With Gods will.

Goodness is a value for it's own sake.
 
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1. detach yourself from Your possessions, so what? It basically means detach yourself from being ruled by them, so you can act more efficiently in the market Place, I don't want People to be detached, I want People to be Attached, they should KNOW and be involved With where their material posessions come from, how they came about and so on .... I suggest you read Slavoj Zizeks writings on Christianity and Buddhism.

2. What? Based on what?

and were back at desire which is not a basis for what's good according to you

so is your desire for people to be attached to and aware about the effects their possessions not good or is it good for some unmentioned reason?

or is what should be not the same as what would be good if it were?
 
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and were back at desire which is not a basis for what's good according to you

so is your desire for people to be attached to and aware about the effects their possessions not good or is it good for some unmentioned reason?

or is what should be not the same as what would be good if it were?

It's good because then People will be more accountable for their actions, moral good requires that someone know the consequences of their actions and are accountable.
 
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