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I believe Catholicism , with its showy display( statues, fancy garments, etc) but its historical practices proved where they came from.
Crusades--would Jesus lor satan teach to go kill muslims and attack Jewish settlements along the way for supplies, leaving none alive. under the sign of the pagan cross.
refuse to let the flocks read the bible for themselves for about 1000 years after the councils. By then no one had a clue.
inquisitions-- would Jesus or satan tell Christians to burn humans alive for heresy if they did not believe or contradicted clergy--or trying to translate Gods word so people could read it for themselves--or being a witch.
the rev war-the civil war-ww1,ww2--brothers in Christ blowing each others heads off in hatred. Jesus or satan?
staues, icons showy display--100% guarantee= centuries ago at those councils many false teachings came to be called truth--never fixed by a trinity religion( branches of the tree)--many pagan practices were allowed as well--especially in the two major celebrations to Jesus.
Catholicism, branches = 1 Corinthians 1:10)

that leaves little choice--the best path one can choose to becoming a true follower of Christ---God said--This is my son the beloved, whom I have approved--LISTEN TO (HIM)---Learn Jesus truths and apply them daily--you will be doing well.
 
Can't help but to confuse the Christian readers here:

I think the only way to read Jesus correctly is via the writings of Baha'u'llah. Too many Christian theologicians and priests misinterpreted the Bible to make it sound it said exactly the opposite of what it actually says. And then, Christians should approve of both Muslim prophet Mohammed as well as prophet Baha'u'llah.

Not many will agree with me, but I feel chances are, if people actually read his teachings and writings, they'd agree. :)
 
No one can assume to know what Jesus would approve of, or even if what the various Churches have projected him as bears any resemblance to the man who may or may have not existed. Religion has diluted, revised, edited, morphed, and bastardized the concept so far from anything it may have once been as to make the Christ a reason for hate rather than love.

Likely....the concept of Jesus can only be found in each individual person.
 
kjw47 said:
By then no one had a clue.
inquisitions-- would Jesus or satan tell Christians to burn humans alive for heresy if they did not believe or contradicted clergy--or trying to translate Gods word so people could read it for themselves--or being a witch.

staues, icons showy display--100% guarantee= centuries ago at those councils many false teachings came to be called truth--never fixed by a trinity religion( branches of the tree)--.
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Please tell me that English is not your first language. That aside, protestants also had "inquisitions" and icons are associated more with eastern orthodoxy than catholicism.
 
German guy said:
Can't help but to confuse the Christian readers here:

I think the only way to read Jesus correctly is via the writings of Baha'u'llah. Too many Christian theologicians and priests misinterpreted the Bible to make it sound it said exactly the opposite of what it actually says. And then, Christians should approve of both Muslim prophet Mohammed as well as prophet Baha'u'llah.

Not many will agree with me, but I feel chances are, if people actually read his teachings and writings, they'd agree. :)
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Not trying to call bs, but surely you can reference something in particular?

Otherwise, you just sound like any other sect saying "we understand it and you don't!"
 
tecoyah said:
No one can assume to know what Jesus would approve of, or even if what the various Churches have projected him as bears any resemblance to the man who may or may have not existed. Religion has diluted, revised, edited, morphed, and bastardized the concept so far from anything it may have once been as to make the Christ a reason for hate rather than love.

Likely....the concept of Jesus can only be found in each individual person.
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Jesus' religion died when Jesus, apostles and Christians were all murdered. The great apostasy( 32,999 religions claiming to be Christian) rose up, until these last days-Daniel 12:4-- truths would be revealed through Jesus' only teachers--one religion, one truth, one faith, one God-- united in love and peace worldwide.
 
Cryptic said:
Please tell me that English is not your first language. That aside, protestants also had "inquisitions" and icons are associated more with eastern orthodoxy than catholicism.
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The protestants never fixed many errors allowed in at the 4 councils. They fixed few.
 
kjw47 said:
Jesus' religion died when Jesus, apostles and Christians were all murdered. The great apostasy( 32,999 religions claiming to be Christian) rose up, until these last days-Daniel 12:4-- truths would be revealed through Jesus' only teachers--one religion, one truth, one faith, one God-- united in love and peace worldwide.
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Not working out so well so far....is it?
 
kjw47 said:
Is what working out?
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Daniel 12:4-- truths would be revealed through Jesus' only teachers--one religion, one truth, one faith, one God-- united in love and peace worldwide.
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The great apostasy( 32,999 religions claiming to be Christian) rose up
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Seems a bit more than One religion.
 
When nonsense like this comes around I can't help but hear the words "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus" ring loud in my ears...

and I smile...

:)
 
Without being too lengthy, I would so no. The doctrine followed by Catholicism while still Christianity, is based more on it's own earthly traditions than biblical precedent.
 
kjw47 said:
One religion on the planet earth that teaches---Jesus' truths.
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I would stipulate that 30,000 does not equal 1.

When Christians constantly call other Christians Non-Christians, it seems to me there are no actual Christians according to Christians.

When the teachings of Jesus vary dramatically from Christian to Christian, it seems to me there are no agreed upon teachings to teach.

When Christians regularly ignore the fundamental words of Jesus, it seems to me the words are not considered truths.



Then, we have the many other religions that simply do not care about Jesus at all.....perhaps Daniel was a bit optimistic.
 
Well, when He said in Matthew 18:20 "whenever two or three gather in my name, there I am with them", I really don't think He was envisioning a massive bureaucracy. Especially considering the way He railed against the pharisees and explained that prayer should be conducted behind closed doors in private, I would say His views were almost diametrically opposed to that which the Catholic church represents. He emphasized a close,one on one relationship with God,decentralization and lack of pomp and ceremony. That sure doesn't sound like the Catholic church to me.
 
Gardener said:
Well, when He said in Matthew 18:20 "whenever two or three gather in my name, there I am with them", I really don't think He was envisioning a massive bureaucracy. Especially considering the way He railed against the pharisees and explained that prayer should be conducted behind closed doors in private, I would say His views were almost diametrically opposed to that which the Catholic church represents. He emphasized a close,one on one relationship with God,decentralization and lack of pomp and ceremony. That sure doesn't sound like the Catholic church to me.
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Yes when 2 or 3 gather in the real Jesus, name--he will be there.
 
No, because he taught Christianity.

Catholic Christianity and Orthodox Christianity only existed after the great schism. Not before the great schism. Until then, it was just christianity.
 
Rainman05 said:
No, because he taught Christianity.

Catholic Christianity and Orthodox Christianity only existed after the great schism. Not before the great schism. Until then, it was just christianity.
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Jesus did not teach Christianity, as it did not exist for him to teach. The entire religion(s) came about long after his death.
 
tecoyah said:
Jesus did not teach Christianity, as it did not exist for him to teach. The entire religion(s) came about long after his death.
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I'm really not in the mood to get into this discussion again.

No, you're right. He taught... hinduism or something like that. Or maybe zoroasterism. He didn't teach Christianity and what it means to be Christian at all.

You know what, fine, you all win. You and the people like you who have absolutely no clue and no knowledge on the topic and keep making up stuff that has no relationship with reality win. It's not like it matters to me. People have been arguing about religion since the time people managed to write in cuneiform. We're not going to solve this topic in this subforum and I'm done trying to explain basic concepts to adults who should have known better by now.

I always fall in the trap of getting this god forsaken subforum when it's late and I'm tired and I trick myself in thinking "it won't be that bad, there's no other interesting topic on, might as well join here" and lo and behold, the omnishambles possesses someone and makes an appearance.

EDIT: The golden rule that I keep having to repeat and that would make all these discussions null and void is this "believe what you want to believe in as long as that makes you want to be a better person"... I've said this time and time again in every discussion i've had that bordered on a religious topic and it's getting bothersome to keep having to repeat it. Believe that Christ didn't teach Christianity. Believe that he couldn't be this or that. Believe in the flying spaghetti monster for all I care. If that makes you want to be a better person, fine. If not, why have a belief system in place?

It's so... irritating. One can't have a proper discussion on the topic and so I'm ending this.
 
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Ben K. said:
Not trying to call bs, but surely you can reference something in particular?

Otherwise, you just sound like any other sect saying "we understand it and you don't!"
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This is a matter of belief. Nothing that can be proven, much like it cannot be proven that God exists or that one religion is true and another is not -- or that God exists in the first place. Either you believe it, or you don't.

All you can do is reading the scripture, find out if you find it convincing and listen to your conscience if you feel it's true.

If you're interested in Baha'u'llah's teachings, I'd recommend "The Book of Certitude" as a starting point. Even if you don't find it convincing, it'd probably be an interesting read.
 
Rainman05 said:
No, because he taught Christianity.

Catholic Christianity and Orthodox Christianity only existed after the great schism. Not before the great schism. Until then, it was just christianity.
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The Israelites were Gods chosen for quite some time. One religion-- 99% false religions on the earth.
In a lot of ways the true religion( one) would be similar with the required changes to errors. Jesus tried to show the Pharisees their error but they turned their hearts to hatred. After they had Jesus murdered, The word could be spread to the gentiles as well after awhile. The world then hated true Christians,Why? didn't they do loving things? They taught the world the truth--pagan practices alive and well in the celebrations--99% false religions-- many truths the world hated thus hunted them like animals and murdered as many as they could. Sat in the collosium and cheered them getting mauled by wild animals. God warned people in his word about certain things--Jesus taught--go sin no more--- because he meant it.
Many truths died along with them--thus the great apostasy arose out of the 4 councils. They put many errors in their translations to fit council teachings. Never fixed until these last days( Daniel 12:4)
 
tecoyah said:
Jesus did not teach Christianity, as it did not exist for him to teach. The entire religion(s) came about long after his death.
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Jesus started one single religion. There is an illusion of Christianity in place--Gods word calls it the great apostasy. One thing for sure--Jesus' religion--is unified in love and peace, worldwide. 1 cor 1:10)
One must look at all the facts of the ot to see the truth of the nt. Fact 1) Noah, Abraham, Job, Daniel, David, Elijah, etc--all served YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God. Fact 2) When Jesus attended the synagogues his first 30 years---he was taught--YHWH( Jehovah) a single being God. Fact 3) The Israelites had the true God. Fact 4) Jesus teaches that he has a God-his Father( YHWH(Jehovah) John 20:17, revelation 3:12)---it all boils down to fact 5) The true servants today serve-YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God. Jesus' God as well-1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
That is why Jesus taught us this most important truth that his teachers make sure is deep into each ones heart.

Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness, and all these other things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
 
kjw47 said:
Jesus started one single religion. There is an illusion of Christianity in place--Gods word calls it the great apostasy. One thing for sure--Jesus' religion--is unified in love and peace, worldwide. 1 cor 1:10)
One must look at all the facts of the ot to see the truth of the nt. Fact 1) Noah, Abraham, Job, Daniel, David, Elijah, etc--all served YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God. Fact 2) When Jesus attended the synagogues his first 30 years---he was taught--YHWH( Jehovah) a single being God. Fact 3) The Israelites had the true God. Fact 4) Jesus teaches that he has a God-his Father( YHWH(Jehovah) John 20:17, revelation 3:12)---it all boils down to fact 5) The true servants today serve-YHWH(Jehovah) a single being God. Jesus' God as well-1 Corinthians 15:24-28.
That is why Jesus taught us this most important truth that his teachers make sure is deep into each ones heart.

Therefore, keep on seeking FIRST the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness, and all these other things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
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Thanks for...uh...failing to counter my argument?
 
tecoyah said:
Thanks for...uh...failing to counter my argument?
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I was agreeing with your argument-- No religion was called Christianity until Catholicism popped up--- Just because they call themselves Christian doesn't make it so.
 
kjw47 said:
Jesus' religion died when Jesus, apostles and Christians were all murdered. The great apostasy( 32,999 religions claiming to be Christian) rose up, until these last days-Daniel 12:4-- truths would be revealed through Jesus' only teachers--one religion, one truth, one faith, one God-- united in love and peace worldwide.
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Ah. And I take it you would be one of the Blessed Few following the One True Christianity?
 
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