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I just finished watchin this documentary series and would like to share it here with those interested:

 
Wtf.... How does a video you of all people posted come up with a GEMA restriction? Is Germany filtering things Austria isn't?
 
The German said:
I just finished watchin this documentary series and would like to share it here with those interested:

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Okay but how about a summary with key statements mentioned in minutes? Would really help with some of us who do not have time and only are in DP while in breaks or such?
 
DDD said:
Okay but how about a summary with key statements mentioned in minutes? Would really help with some of us who do not have time and only are in DP while in breaks or such?
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Wow. That would be quite a task and such a summery would still be several pages long.

This series is extremly detailed.
 
The German said:
I just finished watchin this documentary series and would like to share it here with those interested:

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I tried watching but can't hear. Why doesn't the sound come up?
 
These girls could answer all their questions

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Just curious.......exactly why was this posted in the Religious Discussions forum again?
 
spud_meister said:
Pffft. I've been through about 6 teams of missionaries, none of them have converted me yet.
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I've talked to plenty of Mormon missionaries, honestly they need more training to deal With People who are biblically literate. You can't just give them a script and expect that they'll be able to hold their own.
 
RGacky3 said:
I've talked to plenty of Mormon missionaries, honestly they need more training to deal With People who are biblically literate. You can't just give them a script and expect that they'll be able to hold their own.
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The problem is so many are raised within the church, they accept church teachings as dogma and they cannot think critically about their own beliefs. My brother became a Mormon at 16, and he was extremely successful on his mission (he served in Italy and loved arguing with Catholics) because he had such a greater understanding of the church and it's doctrines from being introduced to it at an age where he could understand it.
 
spud_meister said:
The problem is so many are raised within the church, they accept church teachings as dogma and they cannot think critically about their own beliefs. My brother became a Mormon at 16, and he was extremely successful on his mission (he served in Italy and loved arguing with Catholics) because he had such a greater understanding of the church and it's doctrines from being introduced to it at an age where he could understand it.
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That's the thing, I have no problem With mormons doing their missionary thing, but just from a practical standpoint, make sure they know their stuff, and make sure they know the bible well and non-mormon theology and exegesis well before they go out.
 
Atheism has existed since the first humans began to express a belief of a superior being. When the first human was cave drawing a superior being, the atheist was sitting by the fire in disbelief.
 
1750Texan said:
Atheism has existed since the first humans began to express a belief of a superior being. When the first human was cave drawing a superior being, the atheist was sitting by the fire in disbelief.
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This. Thank you. First thing I thought when I saw the title to this thread.
 
RGacky3 said:
That's the thing, I have no problem With mormons doing their missionary thing, but just from a practical standpoint, make sure they know their stuff, and make sure they know the bible well and non-mormon theology and exegesis well before they go out.
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I may be wrong, but I don't believe the new testament is taught in temple.
 
1750Texan said:
I may be wrong, but I don't believe the new testament is taught in temple.
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I'm not talking about temple, I'm talking about wherever mormon missionaries are trained to be missionaries.
 
RGacky3 said:
I'm not talking about temple, I'm talking about wherever mormon missionaries are trained to be missionaries.
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Wasn't your complaint that missonaries do not have a graps on the bible? Where do you think mormon missionaries come from? They are taught in Temple that the book of Mormon is the newest testament.

They are not taught the KJV new testament. Missionaries don't go to missonary school. Temple is thier schooling.
 
1750Texan said:
Wasn't your complaint that missonaries do not have a graps on the bible? Where do you think mormon missionaries come from? They are taught in Temple that the book of Mormon is the newest testament.

They are not taught the KJV new testament. Missionaries don't go to missonary school. Temple is thier schooling.
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If that's the case they are going to have problems talking to People that are biblically literate.
 
1750Texan said:
Wasn't your complaint that missonaries do not have a graps on the bible? Where do you think mormon missionaries come from? They are taught in Temple that the book of Mormon is the newest testament.

They are not taught the KJV new testament. Missionaries don't go to missonary school. Temple is thier schooling.
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I was force fed Mormonism as a child, they absolutely do have a grasp of the bible, the bible that everyone used then was the KJV and there was certainly no lack of focus on the New testament.

It appears they still do use the KJV.. I figured that was likely the case:

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bible/title-page?lang=eng
 
The German said:
I just finished watchin this documentary series and would like to share it here with those interested:
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I watched, thinking there would be some nugget of value or interest to glean. I wasted an hour.
The few things that I observed:
1. The philosophy quoted in this was pretty lacking.
2. Belief that there isn't a God isn't any different than belief that there is, except one is wrong.
3. I thought it interesting that he kept pointing out the atrocities done in the name of religion, but failed to point out that before Christianity was "owned" by the state (Rome), that Christians were the victims of state atrocities. It is the state, not God, that is the atrocious one. Many fear religion on these grounds, failing to realize it is human nature that causes the atrocities, not God, nor a belief in God.
 
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Just curious.......exactly why was this posted in the Religious Discussions forum again?
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Considering how often I've heard atheism is a religion I would think many people would agree it should be here.
 
Cable said:
I watched, thinking there would be some nugget of value or interest to glean. I wasted an hour.
The few things that I observed:
1. The philosophy quoted in this was pretty lacking.
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I didnt watch it for the philosophy, I watched the series to get a notion of the history and that is mainly what the series is about.

2. Belief that there isn't a God isn't any different than belief that there is, except one is wrong.
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In your opinion. Other than that there is one big difference in that it is not a belief that there is no god but lack thereof.

One does not call someone who doesnt collect stamps a "non-stampcollector"

3. I thought it interesting that he kept pointing out the atrocities done in the name of religion, but failed to point out that before Christianity was "owned" by the state (Rome), that Christians were the victims of state atrocities. It is the state, not God, that is the atrocious one. Many fear religion on these grounds, failing to realize it is human nature that causes the atrocities, not God, nor a belief in God.
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Which only proves that religion is human since it also causes attroceties.

The main point which you missed is that it is used as an excuse to commit attroceties.
 
RGacky3 said:
That's the thing, I have no problem With mormons doing their missionary thing, but just from a practical standpoint, make sure they know their stuff, and make sure they know the bible well and non-mormon theology and exegesis well before they go out.
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The young LDS missionaries teach the basic doctrines of faith, repentance, baptism, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. Keeping it simple and allowing prayer, the spirit, and personal revelation from God to convert. Those with intellectual pride or who are biased against the religion, no matter how knowledgeable the missionary is beyond the basics, it tends to be wasting time. The kids below at the BYU dance performance can bear their testimonies of the truth of the gospel because of the pure and refine nature of their spirits feel and recognize God's spirit, and they have strong faith. The other guy below likely will never know the truth in this life and will miss out on many eternal blessings because of his arrogance and pride.

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The people in the OP video seem so unhappy, whereas this family is full of joy:
 
marduc said:
I was force fed Mormonism as a child, they absolutely do have a grasp of the bible, the bible that everyone used then was the KJV and there was certainly no lack of focus on the New testament.

It appears they still do use the KJV.. I figured that was likely the case:

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bible/title-page?lang=eng
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So, when I was younger, I was told certain doctrines by Mormons themselves, and now the Church is claiming not to believe those things. Would you be willing to briefly discuss some of those doctrines that the Church is disavowing today?
 
Dezaad said:
So, when I was younger, I was told certain doctrines by Mormons themselves, and now the Church is claiming not to believe those things. Would you be willing to briefly discuss some of those doctrines that the Church is disavowing today?
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I have a pretty high knowledge and grew up in the church and know of no such doctrines. The amount of misinformation out there on the LDS is enormous. What usually happens is someone reads something from a non canonical source, usually out of context, and thinks that the church once taught it when they never did and was just a personal opinion. For example they may analyze thousands of pages of Brigham Young speeches, find one time when Brigham Young was making a point he believed in that God does not create things without a purpose and then states that is why there are people on the moon. Then that person will say the church once taught that there were people on the moon. No. What they do not realize is that prophets are only prophets when they are speaking by the power of the Holy Ghost. Any other time they are just imperfect men. In the 19th century it was common belief that the moon had people on it, even many of the leading astronomers believed it. The same type of stuff goes with the curse of Cain and Adam/God theory. Only those things that are official and canonized are doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
 
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