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The History of Atheism

The German said:
Nope, it shows how it developed throughout history..........If you want to preach, go find yourself a crowed of inbreed rednecks.
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The video was a great sermon on the foolishness of belief. The preacher in the video did a good job of denigrating believers in God. Never of course realizing that his faith choice, not to believe, is just that. A faith choice. But he is a pretty good preacher, as they go.

"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities." So it is a belief that there is no God.

If I believe there is a God, then I may say God exists. It is my opinion, but I can say it, just as the atheist can say "There is no God" or that belief in God is foolishness. That is their opinion.

Sacrificing the son... You judge God's actions as a man. It's backwards.

Mind altering elements? Drugs.

If you want to post atheist preacher videos, prepare for the rebuttal.
Your inbred redneck comment shows who you are inside.
 
Paschendale said:
Bully for you. The other million of us didn't see that, and unless you can demonstrate it in some objective way, we're going to conclude that you're just dreaming or hallucinating or possibly even lying.
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Until of course you actually know. There will be more than a million of you who do not understand it.
 
Cable said:
Until of course you actually know. There will be more than a million of you who do not understand it.
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That is so often what these discussions turn into. That smug declaration that we'll all found out when we die and I'll regret my position (as if rational thought were optional) when I'm burning in hell. But you know I don't believe a word of that nonsense, and more to the point, I don't think you do either. I'm going to make an assumption about you. I assume that you're not an evil person. I assume that you're not a malicious sadist. If you genuinely think that I am going to suffer the most unimaginable horrors, wouldn't you feel some urgency to prevent it? You'd try to stop a mugging on the street, wouldn't you? Isn't this infinitely worse? But you don't do everything you possibly can to keep good people from suffering this terrible evil. Because you are not terribly evil, and because you and I both know that it's absurd nonsense that the universe is setup in such a way that deference or not to an authority that it is quite possible to reasonably doubt the existence of will actually earn someone an eternal life of either bliss or horror. If you thought this was true, you would have to be the worst kind of monster to not only allow it, but to take comfort in it.

As I discussed a bit in the thread about the pope admonishing the mafia, I don't think even professed believers actually believe this stuff. I include you in that thought. Pretty much only genuine loonies like suicide bombers seem to actually believe the myths of their faith.
 
Paschendale said:
That is so often what these discussions turn into. That smug declaration that we'll all found out when we die and I'll regret my position (as if rational thought were optional) when I'm burning in hell. But you know I don't believe a word of that nonsense, and more to the point, I don't think you do either. I'm going to make an assumption about you. I assume that you're not an evil person. I assume that you're not a malicious sadist. If you genuinely think that I am going to suffer the most unimaginable horrors, wouldn't you feel some urgency to prevent it? You'd try to stop a mugging on the street, wouldn't you? Isn't this infinitely worse? But you don't do everything you possibly can to keep good people from suffering this terrible evil. Because you are not terribly evil, and because you and I both know that it's absurd nonsense that the universe is setup in such a way that deference or not to an authority that it is quite possible to reasonably doubt the existence of will actually earn someone an eternal life of either bliss or horror. If you thought this was true, you would have to be the worst kind of monster to not only allow it, but to take comfort in it.

As I discussed a bit in the thread about the pope admonishing the mafia, I don't think even professed believers actually believe this stuff. I include you in that thought. Pretty much only genuine loonies like suicide bombers seem to actually believe the myths of their faith.
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You make some sense in this statement you make. Much of Christianity is just as you say. But you do not understand me, or the true believer in Christ. I am not smug. I just believe what I believe, and that is the Word of God. It isn't the believer that makes it past the fire.
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder."
There is more to it that belief.

These three statements I think show the truth of the matter:

1. "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
2. ...what is the greatest commandment?... "Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."
3. "And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me."

This is the way out of the fire. It is almost impossible for humans to do. It is so counter-intuitive to our nature it is indeed a serious foolishness to human beings.
But some choose to do it, against all rationality. Except that they feel a truth that is deeper than the selfish desires most of us relish in the eat, drink, and be merry world.
I don't know how to convince you personally, but convince you I would. You have free will, so it's up to you where your faith will rest.
But this is why I post here. I hope that the words will make sense to someone and they will find the freedom of faith in Christ.
 
Cable said:
The video was a great sermon on the foolishness of belief. The preacher in the video did a good job of denigrating believers in God. Never of course realizing that his faith choice, not to believe, is just that. A faith choice. But he is a pretty good preacher, as they go.

"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities." So it is a belief that there is no God.

If I believe there is a God, then I may say God exists. It is my opinion, but I can say it, just as the atheist can say "There is no God" or that belief in God is foolishness. That is their opinion.

Sacrificing the son... You judge God's actions as a man. It's backwards.

Mind altering elements? Drugs.

If you want to post atheist preacher videos, prepare for the rebuttal.
Your inbred redneck comment shows who you are inside.
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Your twisting logic to put down atheism as a religious belief shows where your head is at too. Not buying into a belief is different to believing something is not.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Your twisting logic to put down atheism as a religious belief shows where your head is at too. Not buying into a belief is different to believing something is not.
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Don't you find it uncomfortable that you had to use the word "believing" to describe a feeling that "something is not" as not a belief?
 
Don't you find repeatedly being shown to be wrong tiresome?
 
Cable said:
The video was a great sermon on the foolishness of belief. The preacher in the video did a good job of denigrating believers in God. Never of course realizing that his faith choice, not to believe, is just that. A faith choice. But he is a pretty good preacher, as they go.
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You take that as a personal insult. Whilest it is actualy meant to list the reasons for why people like me reject faith.

"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities." So it is a belief that there is no God.
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Now you are just spinning arround words to fit your agenda.

If I believe there is a God, then I may say God exists. It is my opinion, but I can say it, just as the atheist can say "There is no God" or that belief in God is foolishness. That is their opinion.
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There is a difference between believing something and knowing something.

A difference you seem to not understand.

Sacrificing the son... You judge God's actions as a man. It's backwards.
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What else am I suposed to judge him as? We have a human legal system and a human moral set of codes that require me to reject everything that violates them.

Human sacrifice is inmoral, so is a variety of other things.

Mind altering elements? Drugs.
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You changed the term again.

If you want to post atheist preacher videos, prepare for the rebuttal.
Your inbred redneck comment shows who you are inside.
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You havent delivered any kind of rebutal. Instead you preach about "judgementday" and play spin games with words.

You dont know me, so if you think you can say anything about my character, **** off.
 
The German said:
You take that as a personal insult. Whilest it is actualy meant to list the reasons for why people like me reject faith.
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It was insulting, but not to me personally. It was insulting to the concept of truth.


The German said:
Now you are just spinning arround words to fit your agenda.
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I am not spinning around words. It seems a very difficult mental leap for atheists to understand that their belief that there is no God is in fact a belief. I don't know why that is, but it is evident for any who will look. Both the denail and the truth of the fact of their belief.


The German said:
There is a difference between believing something and knowing something.
A difference you seem to not understand.
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I think what you don't get is once I believe, or anyone for that matter, my beliefs become a personal truth, just as yours might.
So while neither your belief or mine are scientifically proven facts, to us they are the truth.


The German said:
What else am I suposed to judge him as? We have a human legal system and a human moral set of codes that require me to reject everything that violates them.
Human sacrifice is inmoral, so is a variety of other things.
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Christ said render to Ceaser what is his, and render to God what is his. Man's moral code falls far short of the Lords.
In God we are called to obey the higher of the two. You do have to reason out your faith in God, but to do so properly, you have to shift your paradigm to Gods as best you are able. Then you can reason whether his paradigm is fitting of your best understanding of life.
It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that our human systems are neither just nor good. They are our best effort, at their best. At their worst they are a corrupt design full of greed and self-seeking agendas.



The German said:
You changed the term again.
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I don't know why you have so much trouble grasping the concept of drugs. I was simply trying to find a term for the group of them. But it is a minor point.

The German said:
You haven't delivered any kind of rebuttal. Instead you preach about "judgement day" and play spin games with words.
You dont know me, so if you think you can say anything about my character, **** off.
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Pride is our most difficult obstacle. We all struggle with it. It is the greatest tool of our enemy to keep us from the truth.
 
I was talking to a group of dinosaurs last Thursday and not one would come forth and accept Christ as their savior.
 
Cable said:
It was insulting, but not to me personally. It was insulting to the concept of truth.
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BS

Truth?! What truth!? Your holy book says that one should cut out the tounge of a woman who interupts a man. The Quoran says that the earth is flat.

If that is truth, then only in the mind of a psycopath.



I am not spinning around words. It seems a very difficult mental leap for atheists to understand that their belief that there is no God is in fact a belief. I don't know why that is, but it is evident for any who will look. Both the denail and the truth of the fact of their belief.
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No it is not a leap. You people seem to be uncapable of understanding the concept of proof.
I think what you don't get is once I believe, or anyone for that matter, my beliefs become a personal truth, just as yours might.
So while neither your belief or mine are scientifically proven facts, to us they are the truth.
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No. There is no such thing as "personal truth". I question the notions I have, whilest you are willing to bend anything to defend yours.

Christ said render to Ceaser what is his, and render to God what is his. Man's moral code falls far short of the Lords.
In God we are called to obey the higher of the two. You do have to reason out your faith in God, but to do so properly, you have to shift your paradigm to Gods as best you are able. Then you can reason whether his paradigm is fitting of your best understanding of life.
It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that our human systems are neither just nor good. They are our best effort, at their best. At their worst they are a corrupt design full of greed and self-seeking agendas.
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Thats just pathetic begging for a fatherfigure and denouncing ones own responsibilities in society.


I don't know why you have so much trouble grasping the concept of drugs. I was simply trying to find a term for the group of them. But it is a minor point.
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This has nothing to do with drugs. You coined the term in context with religion and you are now unwilling to explain, but to puch blame on others for not understanding the nonsence you post.
Pride is our most difficult obstacle. We all struggle with it. It is the greatest tool of our enemy to keep us from the truth.
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Not interested in your cermons.
 
The German said:
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Cable: "I am not spinning around words. It seems a very difficult mental leap for atheists to understand that their belief that there is no God is in fact a belief. I don't know why that is, but it is evident for any who will look. Both the denial and the truth of the fact of their belief. "

No it is not a leap. You people seem to be incapable of understanding the concept of proof.....
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This is the only part that is somewhat worth responding to, on the off chance you use reason and logic to arrive at your beliefs... So here goes nothing:

The question is: "Does God exist." Christians can't prove this. Atheists can't disprove it. So each has a belief. One, that there is a God, the other, that there is no God. Neither belief is based on facts.
The best each can hope to do is base their beliefs on their experiences and other available information. Facts don't fly to answer this question. And least not directly.

If you asked me whether I believe in Leprechauns I would have to say no. So you could say my belief is that leprechauns do not exists. No offense to any believers intended.
 
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