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Do other religions go to hell?

For those of you who feel so strong an emotion about God - may it be so negative such as anger or hate - one thing is clear: You're not apathetic to Him.

If you're a former Christian, it means your heart has not hardened as Pharaoh's heart.
He still holds on to you and doesn't want to let go. I think you ought to have a moment of peaceful talk with Him.....and humbly lay out what's in your heart.

Any relationship cannot be salvaged anymore if one party stops caring. A lack of any emotion is a symptom.
 
tosca1 said:
For those of you who feel so strong an emotion about God - may it be so negative such as anger or hate - one thing is clear: You're not apathetic to Him.

If you're a former Christian, it means your heart has not hardened as Pharaoh's heart.
He still holds on to you and doesn't want to let go. I think you ought to have a moment of peaceful talk with Him.....and humbly lay out what's in your heart.

Any relationship cannot be salvaged anymore if one party stops caring. A lack of any emotion is a symptom.
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It seems relatively clear you might be confusing "God" with "Christians". I do not know of ANYONE who has left the faith based on the things God had done to them, but many who did so as they grew up and began to understand the sciences and the Christian mentality...it simply no longer made sense and was dismissed.
Personally, I feel no emotion toward God....but just as you feel the need to "Spread the Word" about her greatness, I feel compelled to explain how she cannot be real.

Consider it a public service.
 
tecoyah said:
It seems relatively clear you might be confusing "God" with "Christians". I do not know of ANYONE who has left the faith based on the things God had done to them, but many who did so as they grew up and began to understand the sciences and the Christian mentality...it simply no longer made sense and was dismissed.
Personally, I feel no emotion toward God....but just as you feel the need to "Spread the Word" about her greatness, I feel compelled to explain how she cannot be real.

Consider it a public service.
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I was basing what I've said from my discussion with ex-Christians. Forums, and acquaintances.

I'm not saying all ex-Christians had experienced any of those mentioned above. I didn't....I just simply drifted away, and embraced/promoted the liberal ideologies such as feminism, pre-marital relationships, divorce etc., which boils down to pursuit of hedonism.

But yes, a lot of Christian youth are swayed and confused once they hit school - because of the sciences that's being used and promoted by secularism. Of course, peer pressure also have a tremendous amount of influence.

That's one of the big problems of any religion that believes in Creation. Thus, I'm all for churches having apologetics to equip parents to help protect their children. Home-schooling seems to be another preferred choice - especially when we see the violence in schools these days.
It's harder to do home-schooling since most families have both parents working. Perhaps congregation members can come up with a solution - like shared-home schooling (ala-car pool).
 
tecoyah said:
Personally, I feel no emotion toward God....but just as you feel the need to "Spread the Word" about her greatness, I feel compelled to explain how she cannot be real.

Consider it a public service.
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Why feel compelled?

Why do you feel compelled to explain that He couldn't be real?
 
tosca1 said:
I was basing what I've said from my discussion with ex-Christians. Forums, and acquaintances.

I'm not saying all ex-Christians had experienced any of those mentioned above. I didn't....I just simply drifted away, and embraced/promoted the liberal ideologies such as feminism, pre-marital relationships, divorce etc., which boils down to pursuit of hedonism.

But yes, a lot of Christian youth are swayed and confused once they hit school - because of the sciences that's being used and promoted by secularism. Of course, peer pressure also have a tremendous amount of influence.

That's one of the big problems of any religion that believes in Creation. Thus, I'm all for churches having apologetics to equip parents to help protect their children. Home-schooling seems to be another preferred choice - especially when we see the violence in schools these days.
It's harder to do home-schooling since most families have both parents working. Perhaps congregation members can come up with a solution - like shared-home schooling (ala-car pool).
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Wait, you think feminism, the concept that women are equal to men, is hedonism? The hell?

Second, do you not think it a little sad to remove your kid from school because you don't like scientific facts? Are you so terrified that your kid might want to become a scientist or engineer instead of something you approve of like a pastor?
 
tosca1 said:
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A lot of little "caveats" that show how moral values can easily be massaged to suit one's preference.




So why does something you believe doesn't exist, matter to you so much?

Why do you go through all this trouble wasting your time and energy trying to dig up ways - or perceived "evidence(s)" - to show what a cruel and bloodthirsty God He is?

Why does He brings out such strong emotions from you? Why do you feel so much anger.....so much scorn....for a God whom you say doesn't exist at all?





Then cite a link in this forum where you aggressively and PASSIONATELY wasted some time talking about all these mythical beings. Please.
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Sorry can't do that in this forum.
If you really want to know, you need to start another thread where it CAN be discussed aka anywhere outside the religion forum and its special rules.
 
RogueWarrior said:
I do not like abortion, but support women having a choice.
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'Pity they go to hell, if they make the wrong one. ;)

But they can repent and the door opens up again. :)
 
tosca1 said:
I was basing what I've said from my discussion with ex-Christians. Forums, and acquaintances.

I'm not saying all ex-Christians had experienced any of those mentioned above. I didn't....I just simply drifted away, and embraced/promoted the liberal ideologies such as feminism, pre-marital relationships, divorce etc., which boils down to pursuit of hedonism.

But yes, a lot of Christian youth are swayed and confused once they hit school - because of the sciences that's being used and promoted by secularism. Of course, peer pressure also have a tremendous amount of influence.

That's one of the big problems of any religion that believes in Creation. Thus, I'm all for churches having apologetics to equip parents to help protect their children. Home-schooling seems to be another preferred choice - especially when we see the violence in schools these days.
It's harder to do home-schooling since most families have both parents working. Perhaps congregation members can come up with a solution - like shared-home schooling (ala-car pool).
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I didn't....I just simply drifted away, and embraced/promoted the liberal ideologies such as feminism, pre-marital relationships, divorce etc., which boils down to pursuit of hedonism.
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I see...so if we all simply ignore modern society, culture, and reality we will remain faithful to your God.

because of the sciences that's being used and promoted by secularism. Of course, peer pressure also have a tremendous amount of influence.
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Factual Data promotes knowledge which you see as secularism, and others see as...well, knowledge. As far as peer pressure, I would think a church congregation and Christian parents supply far more "Pressure"....whereas information simply informs.


That's one of the big problems of any religion that believes in Creation.
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The biggest problem a religion that promotes creation faces would be the incredible amount of data one is exposed to that makes in clear the Biblical version cannot be truth.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Wait, you think feminism, the concept that women are equal to men, is hedonism? The hell?
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Though I agree that women ought to have the same equal rights enjoyed by men - suffrage, equal pay etc., - feminism, however is not all about the fight for those kind of equality.

The package contains some things that are nice, but not all its contents are beneficial. In fact, some are harmful to society in the long run. I wouldn't get into a lengthy discussion about this since it'll become out of topic.


Second, do you not think it a little sad to remove your kid from school because you don't like scientific facts? Are you so terrified that your kid might want to become a scientist or engineer instead of something you approve of like a pastor?
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I'm not going to get into a lengthy discussion about this since it will derail the thread, but suffice it to say that we do not believe that Creation is out of the picture as a fact, nor can science conclusively claim Darwinian evolution, or non-Creation, for a fact either.
 
tosca1 said:
Why feel compelled?

Why do you feel compelled to explain that He couldn't be real?
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Mostly because I enjoy education and feel humankind benefits as a whole from it.
 
tosca1 said:
Though I agree that women ought to have the same equal rights enjoyed by men - suffrage, equal pay etc., - feminism, however is not all about the fight for those kind of equality.

The package contains some things that are nice, but not all its contents are beneficial. In fact, some are harmful to society in the long run.




I'm not going to get into a lengthy discussion about this since it will derail the thread, but suffice it to say that we do not believe that Creation is out of the picture as a fact, nor can science conclusively claim Darwinian evolution, or non-Creation, for a fact either.
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Evolution has nothing to do with creation, or Abiogenesis.
 
RogueWarrior said:
Sorry can't do that in this forum.
If you really want to know, you need to start another thread where it CAN be discussed aka anywhere outside the religion forum and its special rules.
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I do not have to know. They're just questions ....that's all. No answers required.
 
tecoyah said:
I see...so if we all simply ignore modern society, culture, and reality we will remain faithful to your God.
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Re-read again please and tell me how you came to that conclusion. :)


Factual Data promotes knowledge which you see as secularism, and others see as...well, knowledge. As far as peer pressure, I would think a church congregation and Christian parents supply far more "Pressure"....whereas information simply informs.
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Nothing conclusive.

That's the FACTUAL "DATA!"

Anyway discussing what is factual or not does not belong in this thread or section(perhaps it ought to be in Science?)


The biggest problem a religion that promotes creation faces would be the incredible amount of data one is exposed to that makes in clear the Biblical version cannot be truth.
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Sorry. That's not a fact.

Actually, tt's the other way around.....that's what's most likely, according to the data. I guess we should start a thread somewhere.....
 
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tosca1 said:
So whatever reasons, so many of us had strayed from God. From a lot of discussions I've had with so many former Christians....the most common reason they stopped believing was due to the pain inflicted by men.
From hypocrisy, oppression, abuse, betrayal and condemnation they'd experienced.....I guess the blame was directed towards the God who let those things happen.

Why He does let bad things happen, especially to those who believe in Him....is a tough question to answer.

It could be a test....

......or a "tempering" similar to steel being tempered by fire, and hammered to change its shape.



Someone closed to me was sexually molested by a family-trusted pastor in his youth. Fortunately, he eventually found his way back to God, and is now trying to get the rest of the family - who felt so betrayed - to re-ignite their faith and trust in God.
Yes, he saw his molester by chance on the street, and had thought about exposing him. But seeing this once-pastor now stooped with age and seemingly suffering from an illness, he'd decided instead to forgive.

Recently, we talked about life in general. He feels regret for having wasted so much of his time pursuing hedonistic and worldly pleasures. I pursued the same things.....but I told him that I don't feel we wasted our lives at all. Because we eventually found Him. And now we both truly believe and try our best to focus on God.....to glorify Him. To trust and have faith in Him. To let Him do as He pleases with us. To temper and shape us into what He wants us to be.

That's the whole purpose and meaning of life.
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Most of the atheists I talk to are not atheists because of some harm caused by man. I know I am not.
Most arrived because they started thinking.
 
tosca1 said:
Re-read again please and tell me how you came to that conclusion. :)




Nothing conclusive. That's the FACTUAL "DATA!"

Anyway discussing what is factual or not does not belong in this thread or section(perhaps it ought to be in Science?)



The biggest problem a religion that promotes creation faces would be the incredible amount of data one is exposed to that makes in clear the Biblical version cannot be truth.
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Very well...no point in being here then.
 
tecoyah said:
Evolution has nothing to do with creation, or Abiogenesis.
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Of course it does. For the simple fact that....

EVOLUTION HAS TO START SOMEWHERE. IT MUST HAVE A BEGINNING.

Follow the chain backwards - backtrack, and it's stumped.....IF THERE'S EVEN A SO-CALLED "CHAIN!"

There's nothing to show the so-called chain, either! All you have are broken so-called links -
loosely un-linked. :lol:

WHERE'S THE FIRST LINK THAT MADE THE SO-CALLED CHAIN?

HOW DID IT BEGIN?


That's the reason why pro-evolutionists say, "evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis."

Baloney.

They don't have the answer. They're stumped. :lol:

And THAT'S A FACT.

Anyway, that's it for science here.
 
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tosca1 said:
Of course it does. For the simple fact that....

EVOLUTION HAS TO START SOMEWHERE. EVERYTHING HAS A BEGINNING.
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Evolution theory explains the mechanics of biological diversity over time and deals with genetic changes that lead to complexity in life forms but has absolutely nothing to say of how this life came to be. I suggest you research a subject before claiming to understand it.
 
tosca1 said:
Of course it does. For the simple fact that....

EVOLUTION HAS TO START SOMEWHERE. EVERYTHING HAS A BEGINNING.

Follow the chain backwards - backtrack, and it's stumped.

That's the reason why pro-evolutionists say, "evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis."
Because they're stumped. :lol:

Anyway, that's it for science here.
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LOL

Sorry can't let that go. As noted previously, religious people always conflate these ideas. The ONLY commonality these ideas have is that they contradict religious ideas.

evolution theory doesn't care how life started. It ONLY describes the processes that happen after life started. It simply does not matter whether the origin of life has a natural or supernatural cause.

Sorry DA we are going adrift again
 
tosca1 said:
Of course it does. For the simple fact that....

EVOLUTION HAS TO START SOMEWHERE. IT MUST HAVE A BEGINNING.

Follow the chain backwards - backtrack, and it's stumped.....IF THERE'S EVEN A SO-CALLED "CHAIN!"

There's nothing to show the so-called chain, either! All you have are broken so-called links -
loosely un-linked. :lol:

WHERE'S THE FIRST LINK THAT MADE THE SO-CALLED CHAIN?

HOW DID IT BEGIN?


That's the reason why pro-evolutionists say, "evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis."

Baloney.

They don't have the answer. They're stumped. :lol:

And THAT'S A FACT.

Anyway, that's it for science here.
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Evolution is a fact. You, being completely uneducated and ignorant in science (so much so as to suggest shielding your child from all science ) seem to be caught up on the word "theory'. A scientific theory is not the same as the casual English usage of the word theory.

Electricity and gravity are also theories, but I don't see you throwing yourself off a building ing or sticking a fork in an electrical socket. Evolution is fact based on evidence.

If you'd like to prove the earth is only 6,000 years old as the bible suggests then we are all here to examine your evidence.
 
tosca1 said:
Of course it does. For the simple fact that....

EVOLUTION HAS TO START SOMEWHERE. IT MUST HAVE A BEGINNING.

Follow the chain backwards - backtrack, and it's stumped.....IF THERE'S EVEN A SO-CALLED "CHAIN!"

There's nothing to show the so-called chain, either! All you have are broken so-called links -
loosely un-linked. :lol:

WHERE'S THE FIRST LINK THAT MADE THE SO-CALLED CHAIN?

HOW DID IT BEGIN?


That's the reason why pro-evolutionists say, "evolution has nothing to do with abiogenesis."

Baloney.

They don't have the answer. They're stumped. :lol:

And THAT'S A FACT.

Anyway, that's it for science here.
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Not to derail my own thread, but they have shown that some particles do appear at random.

Also, say God created everything. Where did God come from?
 
I'm an atheist, but I feel as if the claim that other religions will go to hell is inconsistent with the actual teachings of the bible. I find it hard to believe that if God is the "loving and forgiving" deity the bible claims he is, that he would send people o suffer for all of eternity simply for not worshiping him.
 
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