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Pastor Ken's Church



What verse are you talking about? I'm referring to this one. Read it.

Mark 9
Jesus Forbids Sectarianism

38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”

39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.


Whoever that guy casting out demons in Jesus' name was, couldn't have been a Pharisee!
Pharisees don't believe in Jesus at all, therefore it wouldn't make any sense for them to invoke His name!

Please go back on my posts. Nowhere did I say that the man doing this was a Pharisee. You're not understanding what I"m saying.

Of course it does. Very much so. Clear evidence, there's no laying of hands needed to be able to go out and start a church.

I'm glad you agreed with me that Pastor Ken does not have to be Catholic to be able to start his church and preach. At least we're beginning to see eye-to-eye.

I never agreed about that. Pastor Ken can preach all he wants, but he can't start a church because there is only one Church started by Christ Himself. That is why St. Paul told St. Timothy to not be hasty with the laying on of hands.
 
Please go back on my posts. Nowhere did I say that the man doing this was a Pharisee. You're not understanding what I"m saying.

Here, let's review the past posts:

tosca1
Mark 9
Jesus Forbids Sectarianism

38 Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.”

39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.


Thus, there is no such thing as apostolic succession.

So, yes, Pastor Ken can start his own church and preach about the TRUTH that's IN the Bible!

To which you replied:

Phattonez
It seems more like he's telling them not to do what the Pharisees were doing. The Pharisees rejected Jesus despite his good works. Jesus seems to be telling them to not do the same.

For the life of me, I don't know how you can relate the Pharisees to that verse! :lol:



Phattonez
Tell me how this forbids apostolic succession. ......This is irrelevant to apostolic succession

No, it's not irrelevant! It's bang-on!


I didn't say Jesus forbade apostolic succession. There no "apostolic succession" for Him to forbid to begin with.
I said it shows that there's no such thing as apostolic succession!

The person who was casting out demons in Jesus' name was not a follower, AND YET Jesus instructed the apostles not to forbid the person from what he's doing! You know why?

...for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our side.

And that person will be rewarded too!

41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.

Therefore, it clearly shows anyone can preach about Jesus and the Scriptures! No one has to succeed anybody to be able to do so.
 
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Here, let's review the past posts:



To which you replied:



For the life of me, I don't know how you can relate the Pharisees to that verse! :lol:

He was telling them not to do as the Pharisees did with Him!

No, it's not irrelevant! It's bang-on!


I didn't say Jesus forbade apostolic succession. There no "apostolic succession" for Him to forbid to begin with.
I said it shows that there's no such thing as apostolic succession!

The person who was casting out demons in Jesus' name was not a follower, AND YET Jesus instructed the apostles not to forbid the person from what he's doing! You know why?

...for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our side.

And that person will be rewarded too!

41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.

Therefore, it clearly shows anyone can preach about Jesus and the Scriptures! No one has to succeed anybody, or be appointed by any authority, to be able to do so.

Is casting out demons the same as being part of the clergy of the Church? No.
 
I never agreed about that. Pastor Ken can preach all he wants, but he can't start a church because there is only one Church started by Christ Himself. That is why St. Paul told St. Timothy to not be hasty with the laying on of hands.

The church being referred to in the New Testament is not a particular brand of denomination.

It's a universal term - Christians! Those who believe in Christ. That's the Church of Christ as a whole.
Those who believes in Him.


The term Catholic (usually written with uppercase C in English) was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope.

The term has been incorporated into the name of the largest Christian communion, the Catholic Church (also called the Roman Catholic Church). However, many other Christians use the term "Catholic" (sometimes with a lower-case letter "c") to refer more broadly to the whole Christian Church or to all believers in Jesus Christ regardless of denominational affiliation.

Theologians writing in English will sometimes use the term "Church Catholic" or "Church catholic" to avoid confusion between this concept and the Catholic Church


Almost all Christians who call themselves "Catholic" believe that bishops are considered the highest order of ministers within the Christian religion.

Ignatius of Antioch
The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term "Catholic Church" is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: "Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

History of the term "Catholic" - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Is casting out demons the same as being part of the clergy of the Church? No.

He may not be a part of the clergy....but based from what Jesus said, that person is still rewarded.
Of course it makes no difference if that person belongs to the clergy or not, as long as he believes in Jesus Christ, he is a Christian. The early church - in the time of the apostles - define the church to mean all believers of Christ.

How can he cast demons without the aid of God? That man was performing miracles by invoking Jesus' name!

Thus Jesus said,

....for no one who works a miracle in My name....

That person was recognized by God, and that's what matters.
 
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He may not be a part of the clergy....but based from what Jesus said, that person is still rewarded.
Of course it makes no difference if that person belongs to the clergy or not, as long as he believes in Jesus Christ, he is a Christian. The early church - in the time of the apostles - define the church to mean all believers of Christ.

How can he cast demons without the aid of God? That man was performing miracles by invoking Jesus' name!

Thus Jesus said,

....for no one who works a miracle in My name....

That person was recognized by God, and that's what matters.

Not only the clergy are saved. The teaching tradition of Jesus is passed on this way, though.
 
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