Yeah, I'm familiar with the passage, but I'm working on the literal words right now as they can easily be taken at face value for this particular instance. Also, when instructing the disciples on how to speak to the Father, it wouldn't be a time from parable, he would be instructing, that is using his words literally.
Luke the words are sin and indebtedness. In Matthew they actually say debt and debtors, now seeing as Matthew was a tax collector, well, I can kinda see where the debt debtor deal would play. Luke though, that actually equates the two, sin and indebtedness.
So trespass is actually the odd man out yet is most commonly used.
Is it a case than that debt and sin are hand and hand? That if you are in debt, you are in a state of sin?
This is actually the first time I've thought about this with enough gusto to put it in type, so if you have any other passages that could help draw a conclusion one way or the other, I'd appreciate it.
Does debt = sin?
Like I said, I'm looking for the literal answer first, not an analogous or metaphorical one.
and if possible from the RSVCE, or RSV as that is suppose to be the common scholarly used edition...
I can't help you with Greek, but I did look up "debt" and "trespass" for you in the
OED. Interesting that "debt" is only a noun or adjective while "trespass," as we all know, can be both a noun and verb.
debt, n.
Forms: ME dete, ME–15 dette, ME–15 dett, det, deytt(e, ME–16 debte, 16– debt.
Etymology: Middle English det, dette, < Old French dete, dette < popular Latin *debita... (Show More)
1. That which is owed or due; anything (as money, goods, or service) which one person is under obligation to pay or render to another:
a. a sum of money or a material thing.
c1380—1845(Show quotations)
b. a thing immaterial.
c1386—1842(Show quotations)
†c. That which one is bound or ought to do; (one's) duty. Sc. Obs.
2.
a. A liability or obligation to pay or render something; the condition of being under such obligation.
c1290—1883 (Show quotations)
b.
in debt: under obligation to pay something; owing something, esp. money (see also 2c); in any one's debt: under obligation to pay or render something to him; indebted to him. So out of debt, out of any one's debt; to fall or run into (or in) debt ; out of debt out of danger: c1330—1845
†c. Obligation to do something; duty. in debt: under obligation, in duty bound. of or with debt : as a matter of debt, as is due or right; as in duty bound. Obs. (Cf. 1c.)
c1300—1535
3. fig. Used in Biblical language as the type of an offence requiring expiation, a sin.
trespass, n.
Etymology: Middle English trespas , < Old French trespas... (Show More)
1. A transgression; a breach of law or duty; an offence, sin, wrong; a fault.
c1290—1831(Show quotations)
2. Law. In a wide sense, Any violation or transgression of the law; spec. one not amounting to treason, felony, or misprision of either.
c1290—1895(Show quotations)
3. Law. spec. Any actionable wrong committed against the person or property of another; also short for action of trespass.
ˈtrespass, v.
Etymology: < trespass n.; or < Old French trespasser ... (Show More)
1.
a. intr. To commit a transgression or offence; to transgress, offend; to sin. Also fig.
1303—1805(Show quotations)
b. Const. against (†to, unto, for).
1303—1845(Show quotations)
†2. trans. with the matter of the trespass as object: To do (something wrong); to commit. Obs.
14..—1631(Show quotations)
†3.
a. To transgress, violate (a law, etc.) Obs. [So in Old French]
1484—1613(Show quotations)
†b. To offend against, wrong, violate (a person). Obs.
1427—1556(Show quotations)
4. Law. intr. To commit a trespass (see trespass n. 2); spec. to enter unlawfully on the land of another, or on that which is the property or right of another. Const.
on, upon
c1455—1880(Show quotations)
5. intr. fig. with on or upon: To make an improper or uninvited inroad on (a person's time, attention, patience, etc.); to intrude on or upon the rights or domain of; to encroach on, infringe.
1652—a1881(Show quotations)
†6. intr. (in form trepass.) To pass beyond this life; to die. Also trans. in to trepass this life . trepassed, deceased. (The only sense in which this vb. is preserved in modern French) Obs. rare.