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Name People You Believe Went To Hell

Gathomas88 said:
You mean other than his sympathies for Maoist Communism? :lol:

He advocated sexual promiscuity, drug usage, and anti-theism. Last time I checked, those were all rather "sinful" in the eyes of the almighty.
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He was a Maoist? The song revolution seems to indicate otherwise.
 
Tigger said:
Some of us have seen what your God does (or doesn't) do for those who put their Faith in Him. Not all of us are willing to waste that time like others have.
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When you get to the "other side" and find out what you've passed on, you may well have a change of heart about how you spent that time.
 
In the Christian sense of the word, Hell doesn't yet exist.

In Christ's parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), the rich man did not go to Hell when he died: he went to Hades.

Big difference.

Hell will not be set aflame until after the Millenial Reign of Christ and the Great White Throne Judgment of sinners.

God's judgment is fair. He would not have sent Cain, who murdered just one person (his brother Abel) to Hell some 6,000 or so years ago, only to let say, Adolf Hitler (who murdered millions) burn a mere 68 years to this very second at which we write.

I am not trying to hijack this thread. If it's a satire on the idea of the afterlife, it's a pretty darned good one, IMHO.

I just had to make my disclaimer as to what I understand about the Christian scriptures before I start naming names of folks who I think will be pretty hot in a few years.

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Christopher Hitchens, persecutor of Saints, will be there.
 
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shart attack said:
In the Christian sense of the word, Hell doesn't yet exist.

In Christ's parable of The Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), the rich man did not go to Hell when he died: he went to Hades.

Big difference.
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He was still in agony in Hades, and tried to get someone to warn his brothers about the place.
 
Ben K. said:
He was a Maoist? The song revolution seems to indicate otherwise.
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Rolling Stone: John Lennon Interview - Feb 4, 1971

LENNON: There are many symbolic things about it but it just happened you know, just an engineer’s tape and I was just using all the bits to make a montage. I really wanted that released.
So that’s my feeling. The idea was don’t aggravate the pig by waving the thing that aggravates–by waving the Red flag in his face. You know, I really thought that love would save us all. But now I’m wearing a Chairman Mao badge.

I’m just beginning to think he’s doing a good job. I would never know until I went to China. I’m not going to be like that, I was just always interested enough to sing about him. I just wondered what the kids who were actually Maoists were doing. I wondered what their motive was and what was really going on. I thought if they wanted revolution, if they really want to be subtle, what’s the point of saying “I’m a Maoist and why don’t you shoot me down?” I thought that wasn’t a very clever way of getting what they wanted.
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His political views were rather questionable to say the least.
 
Logicman said:
When you get to the "other side" and find out what you've passed on, you may well have a change of heart about how you spent that time.
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I wasted 27 years on that bologna. My father wasted twice that, and in his hour of need, his "God" was nowhere to be found. Only a fool or a lunatic doesn't learn from that.
 
Logicman said:
Nonsense. The real losers are those who pat sinners on their backs while they're on the road to perdition, telling them they've done nothing wrong and don't need to repent and receive Christ for salvation. With friends like those, who needs enemies?
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I do not pat you on the back for your hatred. I never have.

That you absolutely despise His actual teachings is quite obvious. Read the red letters. They spell it out clearly enough.
 
tacomancer said:
What does being a Maoist have to do with salvation?

Sure Mao didn't like religion, but that would be Mao's problem, not lennon's
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Maoism, and Communism in general, are antithetical to all religions, and Christianity in particular.

Embracing such a philosophy is sinful by its very nature.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Maoism, and Communism in general, are antithetical to all religions, and Christianity in particular.

Embracing such a philosophy is sinful by its very nature.
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So is having a job on Sunday. So is buying from Foxconn. Etc.

What makes being a maost stand out from regular every day sin?
 
Ben K. said:
Still seems a far cry from putting him on a short list of hell bound people.
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He was child abuser, drug addict, wife beater, and generally nasty and hateful person in general. He also sympathized with philosophies responsible for mass murder while at the same time freely advocating that other people engage in sinful acts like sexual promiscuity, drug abuse, and atheism.

Given his generally disdainful attitude towards religion and God in general, I wouldn't exactly put his chances of repentance before death as being especially high either.

I'm sorry, but there is simply nothing about the man that would lead me to believe that he went to heaven.
 
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tacomancer said:
So is having a job on Sunday. So is buying from Foxconn. Etc.

What makes being a maost stand out from regular every day sin?
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Do either of those things constitute support for a regime responsible for killing tens (and possibly even hundreds) of millions of its own people, or blatantly calling for an end to religion?
 
Gathomas88 said:
He was child abuser, drug addict, wife beater, generally nasty and hateful person in general. He also sympathized with philosophies responsible for mass murder while at the same time freely advocating that other people engage in sinful acts like sexual promiscuity, drug abuse, and atheism.

Given his generally disdainful attitude towards religion and God in general, I wouldn't exactly put his chances of repentance before death as being especially high either.

I'm sorry, but there is simply nothing about the man that would lead me to believe that he went to heaven.
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He wasnt a pleasant person, still not seeing why he would be on any short list.

Again, where's GRRM going?
 
Ben K. said:
He wasnt a pleasant person, still not seeing why he would be on any short list.
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Ultimately, that is up to God. However, going off of everything we know about what getting into heaven tends to require, I still would find it pretty hard to believe that he made it in.

At the very least, a person should have to try to live a good life. Lennon did nothing of the kind.

Again, where's GRRM going?
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Probably the same place. :lol:
 
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Tigger said:
I wasted 27 years on that bologna. My father wasted twice that, and in his hour of need, his "God" was nowhere to be found. Only a fool or a lunatic doesn't learn from that.
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Maybe your father wasn't looking in the right places.

It is not God's will that anyone burns in Hell.

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But moving along, so as not to hijack this thread:

I'm pretty sure that anyone who tortured the so-called "heathens" during one of the Inquisitions for The Church will be pretty hot pretty soon.
 
Antoine Lavey didn't go to hell. In the Satanic Bible he tells us that God is all merciful and loving. We should utilize that mercy and turn to God shortly before death. There are rumors that Antoine Lavey did just that. Some say that's bull. I say that if it's true then Antoine Lavey followed his own teachings exactly to the letter.
 
Logicman said:
Love speaks the truth. And the darkness hates it. You're full of folly, brothern. The unregenerate heart despises the truth about Christ and heaven and hell, and hates those who bring it. They don't want to admit they're sinners who need a Savior.
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I don't believe the same thing of you. I believe you've adapted the belief system of ancient, superstitious Bedouins, like which a small plurality of the world's population has done too; which is driven by your upbringing, your relationship with your community/family, a fear of death, and a very human want (like all humans, theist or not) to be the best person you can be.

Likewise, I strive to be the best and most moral person I can possibly be, because I believe this life is the only life we have. That each and everyone of us is a capable, thinking human being with value and personal morals. I don't believe that Jesus is going to swoop down to Earth and make everything a magical eternal "happy ever after." It's up to all of us -- you, me, Dupree and the other screaming hell-blasting, gay-bashing Christians, who hate nonbelievers -- to build a world that is better, fairer and happier for everyone.

Also, if arguing with atheists online makes you decidedly angry and ranty - take a break.
 
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Tigger said:
I wasted 27 years on that bologna. My father wasted twice that, and in his hour of need, his "God" was nowhere to be found. Only a fool or a lunatic doesn't learn from that.
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Well I've spent the better part of 40 years on it and the longer I go on the more convincing proofs I see that the New Testament and Christ are right on the money! I didn't buy a lie and bug out.
 
brothern said:
I don't believe the same thing of you. I believe you've adapted the belief system of ancient, superstitious Bedouins, like which a small plurality of the world's population has done too; which is driven by your upbringing, your relationship with your community/family, a fear of death, and a very human want (like all humans, theist or not) to be the best person you can be.

Likewise, I strive to be the best and most moral person I can possibly be, because I believe this life is the only life we have. That each and everyone of us is a capable, thinking human being with value and personal morals. I don't believe that Jesus is going to swoop down to Earth and make everything a magical eternal "happy ever after." It's up to all of us -- you, me, Dupree and the other screaming hell-blasting, gay-bashing Christians, who hate nonbelievers -- to build a world that is better, fairer and happier for everyone.

Also, if arguing with atheists online makes you decidedly angry and ranty - take a break.
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You can take a break if you want. You appear decidedly angry yourself.

The fact is the "world's" definition of "good" isn't God's definition. You'll need perfect righteousness at the Judgment Seat of Christ, and you don't get that without Christ.
 
Logicman said:
Well I've spent the better part of 40 years on it and the longer I go on the more convincing proofs I see that the New Testament and Christ are right on the money! I didn't buy a lie and bug out.
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If that works for you, fine. It doesn't for me, and it didn't do my father any good in the end.
 
Gathomas88 said:
(John Lennon) was child abuser, drug addict, wife beater, and generally nasty and hateful person in general. He also sympathized with philosophies responsible for mass murder while at the same time freely advocating that other people engage in sinful acts like sexual promiscuity, drug abuse, and atheism.

Given his generally disdainful attitude towards religion and God in general, I wouldn't exactly put his chances of repentance before death as being especially high either.

I'm sorry, but there is simply nothing about the man that would lead me to believe that he went to heaven.
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Good point(s).

A friend of mine and I were having a conversation along the same line of thinking you're espousing here in your post from which I quote.

He was saying that Joseph Stalin may have repented — in the Christian sense of the word; I think it's important to say that — in the final seconds of his death throes, and long story short, ultimately gotten right with God; that Stalin may hence be among some of the faces we'll be surprised to see in Heaven.

Not possible, I said.

Given what Christians believe is called the ABCs of the plan of salvation:

1.) Admit we are sinners;
2.) Believe that we cannot save ourselves from our sinful condition, that only the blood of Christ can. Nothing we can ever do on our own will make us worthy of being eternally with God and wholly sharing His love; only His Grace will save us.
3.) Confess our conversion before all men.

To someone who says that Stalin may have repented of his sinful condition: okay, yeah, maybe so.

Did Stalin ever confess his having been converted before men prior to dying, though?

No, clearly, Stalin could not have been born again. Nor could anyone else in world history who hasn't confessed or didn't confess his or her having been converted, his or her having recognized that we cannot make it to Heaven on our own without the help of a Savior — a.k.a. Yeshua, in the Christian sense of the word.

Pol Pot was born again.

It is not my place to judge him.

He (brutally) killed a bunch of my fellow Americans in the Vietnam conflict, but I do sincerely believe that we will see him in Heaven.
 
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Tigger said:
If that works for you, fine. It doesn't for me, and it didn't do my father any good in the end.
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Assuming he's still alive, he hasn't seen the real end, yet, nor have any of the doubters.
 
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