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Ghandi vs. Christ

rhinefire

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Listing the deeds proven and documented to be the work of Gandhi if I had to chose which one to follow Christ would be all alone in his "kingdom". No man sacrificed for peace on earth like Gandhi and don't counter by saying Jesus died for peace. Jesus was executed for being a threat to the state and he was never 100% nonviolent. He was a radical among radicals and like the others executed for his words.
 
rhinefire said:
Listing the deeds proven and documented to be the work of Gandhi if I had to chose which one to follow Christ would be all alone in his "kingdom". No man sacrificed for peace on earth like Gandhi and don't counter by saying Jesus died for peace. Jesus was executed for being a threat to the state and he was never 100% nonviolent. He was a radical among radicals and like the others executed for his words.
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How was Jesus not Nonviolent? Show me ....

Gandhi was trying to do non violent resistance to claim independance for India from England, he was influenced by Jesus of Nazareth. Gandhi was also a radical and was killed ... So what ... Gandhi was not saying that the kingdoms of earth would be replaced by Gods Kingdom, he just wanted to end British domination over India.

Jesus was the only begotten son of God that died for sin ... It's comparing apples and oranges.

I mean what's your point here ... is it to discuss anything?
 
rhinefire said:
Listing the deeds proven and documented to be the work of Gandhi if I had to chose which one to follow Christ would be all alone in his "kingdom". No man sacrificed for peace on earth like Gandhi and don't counter by saying Jesus died for peace. Jesus was executed for being a threat to the state and he was never 100% nonviolent. He was a radical among radicals and like the others executed for his words.
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Gandhi's approach would not have worked in ancient Rome any better than it would have worked in Nazi Germany. He would have accomplished nothing politically and would have been dispatched by the authorities without regret. Like many of the other holy men of the time in Palestine he would have simply been forgotten.

How Christianity grew so rapidly to eventually take over the Roman Empire is an astonishing story that has no small element of mystery to it. The belief that Jesus was God, the Son of God, appears to be an essential element of it.
 
Bob N said:
I agree with post #2. Please explain your train of thought here.:confused:
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Well, he got pretty feisty with those money changers in the Temple.
 
LowDown said:
Well, he got pretty feisty with those money changers in the Temple.
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Well, seeing that Jesus is the son of God, and seeing that those money changers was in God's house, one would believe that the son would be angry. Being angry and violent are two different things. Those money changers left unharmed.
 
RGacky3 said:
Jesus was the only begotten son of God that died for sin ... It's comparing apples and oranges.

I mean what's your point here ... is it to discuss anything?
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It's apples and oranges if you believe that Jesus was the son of God. But if you take away that and think Jesus was just a man (as I do), then the comparison is valid.

I'm not going to go into the whole "He was or he wasn't the son of God", I'm only pointing out that the comparison is valid if you think both were men only.
 
rhinefire said:
Listing the deeds proven and documented to be the work of Gandhi if I had to chose which one to follow Christ would be all alone in his "kingdom". No man sacrificed for peace on earth like Gandhi and don't counter by saying Jesus died for peace. Jesus was executed for being a threat to the state and he was never 100% nonviolent. He was a radical among radicals and like the others executed for his words.
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Frankly I think your entire premise is wrong. Jesus didn't die for peace, nor was that ever the intent. He was here to return the Jews back to God's true ways. He told people to repent of their sins, and he pointed out the hypocrisy of the Pharisees and their execution of the Law. That is what he was killed for. However God allowed him to be killed because he was perfect, and suitable as the ultimate sacrifice for us.
 
rhinefire said:
Listing the deeds proven and documented to be the work of Gandhi if I had to chose which one to follow Christ would be all alone in his "kingdom". No man sacrificed for peace on earth like Gandhi and don't counter by saying Jesus died for peace. Jesus was executed for being a threat to the state and he was never 100% nonviolent. He was a radical among radicals and like the others executed for his words.
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tell me who do you generally believe in? If i had to guess id say your atheist or at least agnostic. So let me tell you exactly why you are both wrong and right.

Man has developed religion for the fear of oblivion. As such we all think of our religion as the best. We allsee our religion as the one true religion because we dont want there to be a possibility in our minds that we are following the wrong god.

So if a christian tells you that Christ died on the cross to take away the sins of the world and establish a new covenant between god an man, then that's what he did, beccause Christians believe it to be true.
I'm not as well studied in the other religions but what ever they believe is also true because that is what the believe. I can say that gandi was just a crazy old man, you can say he was saint who helped the people. I can say Christ is god, you can say he was a violent radical who deserved to die

Its all about your perspective.
 
TheNextEra said:
It's apples and oranges if you believe that Jesus was the son of God. But if you take away that and think Jesus was just a man (as I do), then the comparison is valid.

I'm not going to go into the whole "He was or he wasn't the son of God", I'm only pointing out that the comparison is valid if you think both were men only.
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If you don't think he was the son of God or the salvation for mankind, then I don't know why you would really care that much about him, beyond being a guy with some nice ideas who tried to oppose the powers that be. But that's begging the question.
 
RGacky3 said:
If you don't think he was the son of God or the salvation for mankind, then I don't know why you would really care that much about him, beyond being a guy with some nice ideas who tried to oppose the powers that be. But that's begging the question.
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Aside from the discussion here, I don't care that much about him. But my comment still stands.
 
TheNextEra said:
Aside from the discussion here, I don't care that much about him. But my comment still stands.
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Sure, assuming he had no divine authority, of coarse he's comparable to any other revolutionary.
 
rhinefire said:
Listing the deeds proven and documented to be the work of Gandhi if I had to chose which one to follow Christ would be all alone in his "kingdom". No man sacrificed for peace on earth like Gandhi and don't counter by saying Jesus died for peace. Jesus was executed for being a threat to the state and he was never 100% nonviolent. He was a radical among radicals and like the others executed for his words.
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Well, Gandhi was killed by one of his own...........just sayin. Anyone who goes against the grain of the majority, and has a message which is contrary to the status quo, is considered a revolutionary, and although Jesus did reportedly act out of anger one time, according to biblical record, I hardly think that makes him violent. Then there's that little issue of time. Since Gandhi was a relatively recent phenomenon, in times when photos and news stories were already a fact, there is much more that we can know about him, compared to the life of Jesus, so I doubt that your point is valid when you say that "no man sacrificed for peace on earth". You just don't have enough information to make that assumption.
 
RGacky3 said:
How was Jesus not Nonviolent? Show me ....

Gandhi was trying to do non violent resistance to claim independance for India from England, he was influenced by Jesus of Nazareth. Gandhi was also a radical and was killed ... So what ... Gandhi was not saying that the kingdoms of earth would be replaced by Gods Kingdom, he just wanted to end British domination over India.

Jesus was the only begotten son of God that died for sin ... It's comparing apples and oranges.

I mean what's your point here ... is it to discuss anything?
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Jesus was not the son of god. He did not die for sin. He was killed for his ideas just like Gandhi.
 
I pick Jesus ... he had blond hair and blue eyes in a part of the world where and at a time that both were rare to say the least ... how do you beat that?
 
Bob N said:
I agree with post #2. Please explain your train of thought here.:confused:
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It is so simple, Jesus was a politically conscious revolutionary calling for the destruction of the roman empire's rule. How in the world do you think he envisioned the destruction? With prayer!? He ordered his followers to take up arms against the empire. Now that is violent in my book.
 
mikeafone said:
I pick Jesus ... he had blond hair and blue eyes in a part of the world where and at a time that both were rare to say the least ... how do you beat that?
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Just possibly with a little respect for a serious topic, I'm thinking.
 
RGacky3 said:
If you don't think he was the son of God or the salvation for mankind, then I don't know why you would really care that much about him, beyond being a guy with some nice ideas who tried to oppose the powers that be. But that's begging the question.
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few people have had the impact he had, for better or worse (and it has been both to be sure, although I'd say the latter moreso, but that wasn't his fault), so why wouldn't someone be interested in the historical Jesus?
 
lizzie said:
Well, Gandhi was killed by one of his own...........just sayin. Anyone who goes against the grain of the majority, and has a message which is contrary to the status quo, is considered a revolutionary, and although Jesus did reportedly act out of anger one time, according to biblical record, I hardly think that makes him violent. Then there's that little issue of time. Since Gandhi was a relatively recent phenomenon, in times when photos and news stories were already a fact, there is much more that we can know about him, compared to the life of Jesus, so I doubt that your point is valid when you say that "no man sacrificed for peace on earth". You just don't have enough information to make that assumption.
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It is impossible to describe someone, anyone whose existence is not based on fact. "Jesus reportedly acted out of anger one time". Oh really? Can you give the time and day? The Bible is as factual as Walt Disney. Gandhi is documented Jesus is rumored.
 
lizzie said:
Well, Gandhi was killed by one of his own...........just sayin. Anyone who goes against the grain of the majority, and has a message which is contrary to the status quo, is considered a revolutionary, and although Jesus did reportedly act out of anger one time, according to biblical record, I hardly think that makes him violent. Then there's that little issue of time. Since Gandhi was a relatively recent phenomenon, in times when photos and news stories were already a fact, there is much more that we can know about him, compared to the life of Jesus, so I doubt that your point is valid when you say that "no man sacrificed for peace on earth". You just don't have enough information to make that assumption.
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And the "information" followers of a mythical character that called himself the son of God is to be recognized as the truth? If it were true then there would be no call for faith would there? I don't have faith that I went to work yesterday do you?
 
nota bene said:
Just possibly with a little respect for a serious topic, I'm thinking.
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possibly, but not likely ... but on a more serious note, see post 18 ... Jesus, by far, had much more of an impact, or rather the guys who wrote the story of Jesus and those who interpreted it have ... that's all we have to go on ... actually, I've changed my mind - Gandhi ... at least we know who he was and know what he actually he said and did first-hand ... but then, why between these two? Does that make them the top two?
 
rhinefire said:
It is so simple, Jesus was a politically conscious revolutionary calling for the destruction of the roman empire's rule. How in the world do you think he envisioned the destruction? With prayer!? He ordered his followers to take up arms against the empire. Now that is violent in my book.
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Where did it say that in the new testament? And are you taking words out of their full context? :confused:
 
The difference between the two, IMO, is that Christ is God and he is risen, and Ghandi isn't.
 
rhinefire said:
And the "information" followers of a mythical character that called himself the son of God is to be recognized as the truth? If it were true then there would be no call for faith would there? I don't have faith that I went to work yesterday do you?
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You apparently completely missed my point.
 
rhinefire said:
Listing the deeds proven and documented to be the work of Gandhi if I had to chose which one to follow Christ would be all alone in his "kingdom". No man sacrificed for peace on earth like Gandhi and don't counter by saying Jesus died for peace. Jesus was executed for being a threat to the state and he was never 100% nonviolent. He was a radical among radicals and like the others executed for his words.
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You don't understand what Jesus sacrificed and accomplished. There is no person who ever lived who compares to Jesus.
 
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