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Where does it say in the Bible that we can't curse?

RGacky3 said:
Will you ... FOR ONCE ... make your own arguments ...
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What's the matter? Can't you open a simple link or would you like it cut and pasted for you? And why should I reinvent the wheel when it's already laid out for people?
 
Logicman said:
What's the matter? Can't you open a simple link or would you like it cut and pasted for you? And why should I reinvent the wheel when it's already laid out for people?
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Because this is a debate forum .... everyone can google.

If you don't know the issues enough to make a coherant argument yourself, then don't post.
 
RGacky3 said:
Because this is a debate forum .... everyone can google.

If you don't know the issues enough to make a coherant argument yourself, then don't post.
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If there's a rule against posting a link let me see it. Otherwise bug off.
 
Logicman said:
If there's a rule against posting a link let me see it. Otherwise bug off.
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There isn't a rule, but there is a general rule of intellectual honesty, i.e. don't debate topics of which you know nothing about.
 
RGacky3 said:
There isn't a rule, but there is a general rule of intellectual honesty, i.e. don't debate topics of which you know nothing about.
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Like I said, if there's no rule about posting a link then bug off and quit bothering people with your self-serving rules.
 
Logicman said:
Like I said, if there's no rule about posting a link then bug off and quit bothering people with your self-serving rules.
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Yes ... I suppose it is self-serving to demand that people actually know what the hell they are talking about before they talk about it .... But then what would you talk about? (Certainly not the scriptures).
 
RGacky3 said:
Yes ... I suppose it is self-serving to demand that people actually know what the hell they are talking about before they talk about it .... But then what would you talk about? (Certainly not the scriptures).
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You assume I don't know anything about cursing in the scriptures. WRONG!

Personally I think you and one or two others around here were offended to find out that there actually were admonitions in the Bible against profane speech. But I'm glad to have enlightened you.
 
Logicman said:
You assume I don't know anything about cursing in the scriptures. WRONG!

Personally I think you and one or two others around here were offended to find out that there actually were admonitions in the Bible against profane speech. But I'm glad to have enlightened you.
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You don't know anything ... you didn't make any argument from scripture, you just googled and posted a link.
 
RGacky3 said:
You don't know anything ... you didn't make any argument from scripture, you just googled and posted a link.
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You want to know something - why did people LIKE YOU have to ask in the first place if there was any mention in the Bible regarding profanity? Why can't you do your own due diligence before hopping out here like you know something could not possibly be in the Bible? Why did you have to wait to find out from me? Why didn't you take the lead, since you're such an Einstein theology oracle?

So it's like I said - I think you were offended to find out that there actually were admonitions in the Bible against profane speech. Recommend you take it to heart.
 
There could be admonitions all day long, but the Bible is subjective. What the Bible could consider profane, others may not, and what you may consider profane, the writers of the Bible would have never even heard of.
 
Logicman said:
You want to know something - why did people LIKE YOU have to ask in the first place if there was any mention in the Bible regarding profanity? Why can't you do your own due diligence before hopping out here like you know something could not possibly be in the Bible? Why did you have to wait to find out from me? Why didn't you take the lead, since you're such an Einstein theology oracle?

So it's like I said - I think you were offended to find out that there actually were admonitions in the Bible against profane speech. Recommend you take it to heart.
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I didn't ask, this wasn't my question, I know what the bible says about speach, why? Because I actually do biblical research myself before posting about biblical questions, and try to know what I'm talking about.
 
RGacky3 said:
Will you ... FOR ONCE ... make your own arguments ...
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RGacky3 said:
There isn't a rule, but there is a general rule of intellectual honesty, i.e. don't debate topics of which you know nothing about.
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RGacky3 said:
Yes ... I suppose it is self-serving to demand that people actually know what the hell they are talking about before they talk about it .... But then what would you talk about? (Certainly not the scriptures).
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RGacky3 said:
You don't know anything ... you didn't make any argument from scripture, you just googled and posted a link.
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RGacky3 said:
I didn't ask, this wasn't my question, I know what the bible says about speach, why? Because I actually do biblical research myself before posting about biblical questions, and try to know what I'm talking about.
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Dude, what is your problem?

He posted a link for pity's sake - a pretty good one in fact - one that succinctly answered the OP's question. I fail to see how that isn't making his own arguments, intellectually dishonest, ignorant, or lazy - all of which you've accused him. Good grief. Where's the harm in googling something? :doh :doh
 
EdwinWillers said:
Dude, what is your problem?

He posted a link for pity's sake - a pretty good one in fact - one that succinctly answered the OP's question. I fail to see how that isn't making his own arguments, intellectually dishonest, ignorant, or lazy - all of which you've accused him. Good grief. Where's the harm in googling something? :doh :doh
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Well, there's always the chance that you could happen upon dinosaur porn. :shrug:
 
EdwinWillers said:
Dude, what is your problem?

He posted a link for pity's sake - a pretty good one in fact - one that succinctly answered the OP's question. I fail to see how that isn't making his own arguments, intellectually dishonest, ignorant, or lazy - all of which you've accused him. Good grief. Where's the harm in googling something? :doh :doh
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The problem is people go through the time to study, learn the text, learn the context, learn the exegesis methods, learn the word meanings and so on, make an argument, say to show that the trinity doctrine is wrong (for example), and then logicman will google something like "proof of the trinity" then copy and paste everything, or just post a link, and then sit back as if he's dealt with the arguments of the scriptures ....

Half the time he doesn't even know wht the scripture's he's posting, or the links he's posting to say, then when I or someone else, takes the time to go over the scripture's specifically, go through the text and deal with the context and language and so on. He just posts another link, or copies and pastes another google search, or just says "ehh, not buying it."

That isn't how you deal in a discussion or a debate, if logicman doesn't have enough knowledge about the scriptures to make an argument then he should'nt make it. If he does, he should know what he's talking about and what he's posting.

If you want to google something as a reference fine ... but copying and pasting text or a link, isn't making an argument or being intellectually honest ... if you think it is try that out in any university.
 
Superfly said:
I mean, other than, of course, taking God's name in vain, where does it say that we can't curse? And by curse, you know what I mean. No semantics, please.
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Who said it does?

IMO, a matter of manners more than anything. [and usually a sign of someone who lacks a vocabulary]
 
RGacky3 said:
The problem is people go through the time to study, learn the text, learn the context, learn the exegesis methods, learn the word meanings and so on, make an argument, say to show that the trinity doctrine is wrong (for example), and then logicman will google something like "proof of the trinity" then copy and paste everything, or just post a link, and then sit back as if he's dealt with the arguments of the scriptures ....

Half the time he doesn't even know wht the scripture's he's posting, or the links he's posting to say, then when I or someone else, takes the time to go over the scripture's specifically, go through the text and deal with the context and language and so on. He just posts another link, or copies and pastes another google search, or just says "ehh, not buying it."

That isn't how you deal in a discussion or a debate, if logicman doesn't have enough knowledge about the scriptures to make an argument then he should'nt make it. If he does, he should know what he's talking about and what he's posting.

If you want to google something as a reference fine ... but copying and pasting text or a link, isn't making an argument or being intellectually honest ... if you think it is try that out in any university.
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Well it took me all of about a minute to find this in another thread in which I've recently posted:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...stianity-and-capitalism-4.html#post1062378111

In response to a quite lengthy post by someone else, you 1) copied and pasted a link to a thread you'd started about social justice, and 2) you made precisely ZERO attempt to do anything of which you accuse logicman here of not doing. In effect, you did the VERY THING of which you accused logicman here - your response was a curt "ehh, not buying it - here's what I've bought; you should too."

I did in fact read a number of your posts in that thread and it's obvious you have a particular view on biblical interpretation - one that leans heavily to the topic of "Social Justice." And that's fine, but just because you've bought into that particular interpretation of Scripture doesn't mean everybody else must, let alone that everybody who doesn't is being somehow "intellectually dishonest."

What logicman posted here was perfectly fine. It answered the OP's question and did so succinctly from Scripture - AND it did so imho more thoroughly than anyone else's response here, including a couple who did the same thing he did, albeit with but a single verse or two. Moreover, your issue with logicman had zip to do with that post and was in fact more an issue with stuff he'd posted elsewhere, and apparently more to do with him even than what he posts.

Now I don't know about your education or knowledge of Scripture or your exegesis methods - but I dare say some of them include topical searches of numerous sources, and very likely some of those searches are done via web search engines like Google - a perfectly appropriate tool in any exegete's library of resources. I would have done the same thing; not because I don't know Scripture - but because I may not know the specific references off the top of my head - something I daresay you don't either, though it would be interesting, now that we know you're into the social justice interpretation of Scripture what you think the answer to the OP's question is - perhaps even without googling it.
 
EdwinWillers said:
Well it took me all of about a minute to find this in another thread in which I've recently posted:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...stianity-and-capitalism-4.html#post1062378111

In response to a quite lengthy post by someone else, you 1) copied and pasted a link to a thread you'd started about social justice, and 2) you made precisely ZERO attempt to do anything of which you accuse logicman here of not doing. In effect, you did the VERY THING of which you accused logicman here - your response was a curt "ehh, not buying it - here's what I've bought; you should too."

I did in fact read a number of your posts in that thread and it's obvious you have a particular view on biblical interpretation - one that leans heavily to the topic of "Social Justice." And that's fine, but just because you've bought into that particular interpretation of Scripture doesn't mean everybody else must, let alone that everybody who doesn't is being somehow "intellectually dishonest."

What logicman posted here was perfectly fine. It answered the OP's question and did so succinctly from Scripture - AND it did so imho more thoroughly than anyone else's response here, including a couple who did the same thing he did, albeit with but a single verse or two. Moreover, your issue with logicman had zip to do with that post and was in fact more an issue with stuff he'd posted elsewhere, and apparently more to do with him even than what he posts.

Now I don't know about your education or knowledge of Scripture or your exegesis methods - but I dare say some of them include topical searches of numerous sources, and very likely some of those searches are done via web search engines like Google - a perfectly appropriate tool in any exegete's library of resources. I would have done the same thing; not because I don't know Scripture - but because I may not know the specific references off the top of my head - something I daresay you don't either, though it would be interesting, now that we know you're into the social justice interpretation of Scripture what you think the answer to the OP's question is - perhaps even without googling it.
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Yes, here's why I didn't respond to the point, the poster didn't approach scripture at all, when the whole point was scripture, it was a red herring, I posted the thread to social justice, becuase it was MY argument that I had made, he wasn't dealing with the argument at all, he was just posting a pro-capitalist rant, not an actual view of scripture.

About my interpretation ... no not everyone has to believe it, "the Baron" doesn't agree with me in almost anything, but at least he takes the time to use scripture and try and deal with some of my arguments from scripture.

It has to do with almost every thread (at least in religious discussions) that logicman posts in.

Its fine to google sources, but don't just post a link to the source, you use the source to MAKE AN ARGUMENT, and actually know what the source says.
 
RGacky3 said:
Yes, here's why I didn't respond to the point, the poster didn't approach scripture at all, when the whole point was scripture, it was a red herring, I posted the thread to social justice, becuase it was MY argument that I had made, he wasn't dealing with the argument at all, he was just posting a pro-capitalist rant, not an actual view of scripture.

About my interpretation ... no not everyone has to believe it, "the Baron" doesn't agree with me in almost anything, but at least he takes the time to use scripture and try and deal with some of my arguments from scripture.

It has to do with almost every thread (at least in religious discussions) that logicman posts in.

Its fine to google sources, but don't just post a link to the source, you use the source to MAKE AN ARGUMENT, and actually know what the source says.
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...none of which applies to his post in response to the OP here. Personally, I LIKE googling resources. I run into a wealth of information, some good, some not good, but resources through which I can read, often finding stuff I'd probably never come across even in my own study of Scripture, regardless how in depth it might be.

For instance, this article: Christians and profanity: What does the Bible say?

There are some good tidbits in there, and the author articulates some things in ways I might not otherwise have done myself:

What is profanity? The word profane literally means “outside the temple.” The term originally identified people or things that were secular as opposed to religious.
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I didn't know this, probably because I haven't had occasion to do a study on this specific topic in many years. Then there's this:
Profanity is used for shock value in expressing anger and humor. The words often are associated with sexuality and filth. Names of the Deity are used to bring additional potency and irreverence to the expressions.
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The Bible recognizes the power of words. God spoke His creation into existence, and the gift of speech is one aspect of man’s creation in the image of God (Gen. 2:19-20).
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The New Testament also commands believers to be pure in speech by controlling their tongues: “With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men who are made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things should not be this way” (James 3:9-10).
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There's nothing wrong in what I did here. I learned from it. I hope others might too. Moreover, it answers the OP's question, as did logicman's post.

If you have such an issue with him, I suggest you put him on "Ignore" and move on.
 
RGacky3 said:
I didn't ask, this wasn't my question, I know what the bible says about speach, why? Because I actually do biblical research myself before posting about biblical questions, and try to know what I'm talking about.
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Well, in this instance it's not working for you.

And as for just posting a link and moving on, that's exactly what you did in the following post:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...tianity-and-capitalism-13.html#post1062378111

And you want to get on me for doing what you've done yourself? LOL! Give it up, Gacky.
 
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Logicman said:
Well, in this instance it's not working for you.

And as for just posting a link and moving on, that's exactly what you did in the following post:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/relig...tianity-and-capitalism-13.html#post1062378111

And you want to get on me for doing what you've done yourself? LOL! Give it up, Gacky.
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Here's what a linked to, a thread a post on this forum where I laid out MY OWN ARGUMENTS from scripture, showing the scripture, scriptures that I've studied, contextually and so on, in order to make my case ... not just googling someone else and linking to it.

I do my own work, and make my own arguments because I KNOW what I'm talking about when it comes to scripture.
 
EdwinWillers said:
...none of which applies to his post in response to the OP here. Personally, I LIKE googling resources. I run into a wealth of information, some good, some not good, but resources through which I can read, often finding stuff I'd probably never come across even in my own study of Scripture, regardless how in depth it might be.

For instance, this article: Christians and profanity: What does the Bible say?
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I do to, I read articles on the internet, but when I'm engaged in a debate, I don't just link to an article, I take what I've learned along with scripture and make my own arguments.

Also it's about ACTUALLY READING them, logicman doesn't even read the articlese many times, which is obvious since it's just a list of scriptures and when I go into them a lot of them don't even support his case, it's just throwing stuff he's found without even knowing what they are.

There are some good tidbits in there, and the author articulates some things in ways I might not otherwise have done myself:

I didn't know this, probably because I haven't had occasion to do a study on this specific topic in many years. Then there's this:And...And...

There's nothing wrong in what I did here. I learned from it. I hope others might too. Moreover, it answers the OP's question, as did logicman's post.

If you have such an issue with him, I suggest you put him on "Ignore" and move on.
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Writing down a reference from a source to support an argument is one thing ... but finding a source .... copying and pasting, or just linking, without even reading it, is another.

Look, here's the general rule, if you could get away with it in college paper, or in a formal debate, go ahead.

If you honestly cannot see the difference between using references to support your argument, and just copying and pasting **** without making an argument, I dont' knwo what to tell you.
 
EdwinWillers said:
...none of which applies to his post in response to the OP here. Personally, I LIKE googling resources. I run into a wealth of information, some good, some not good, but resources through which I can read, often finding stuff I'd probably never come across even in my own study of Scripture, regardless how in depth it might be.

For instance, this article: Christians and profanity: What does the Bible say?
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I do to, I read articles on the internet, but when I'm engaged in a debate, I don't just link to an article, I take what I've learned along with scripture and make my own arguments.

Also it's about ACTUALLY READING them, logicman doesn't even read the articlese many times, which is obvious since it's just a list of scriptures and when I go into them a lot of them don't even support his case, it's just throwing stuff he's found without even knowing what they are.

There are some good tidbits in there, and the author articulates some things in ways I might not otherwise have done myself:

I didn't know this, probably because I haven't had occasion to do a study on this specific topic in many years. Then there's this:And...And...

There's nothing wrong in what I did here. I learned from it. I hope others might too. Moreover, it answers the OP's question, as did logicman's post.

If you have such an issue with him, I suggest you put him on "Ignore" and move on.
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Writing down a reference from a source to support an argument is one thing ... but finding a source .... copying and pasting, or just linking, without even reading it, is another.

Look, here's the general rule, if you could get away with it in college paper, or in a formal debate, go ahead.

If you honestly cannot see the difference between using references to support your argument, and just copying and pasting **** without making an argument, I dont' know what to tell you.
 
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