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Pope Francis excommunicates dissident priest in Australia

Think about it, David.
 
phattonez said:
I'm pretty sure that this would prevent him from receiving Communion, unless by some absurd technicality he's gotten annulments.
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He has gotten annulments.
 
Doesn't matter really. There are plenty of other Churches that allow ordained women and same-sex marriage.

Combined with all of the child abuse scandals and charges of corruption, this latest tale just illustrates why the church continues to hemorrhage followers.
 
Guy Incognito said:
And now you're denigrating the Holy Father??

Talk to a priest about this problem of yours. I think you are beyond my help.
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Oh I'm sorry, is the pope perfect? Is he above reproach? Strange, seems very different from what I read from St. Thomas Aquinas.
 
Guy Incognito said:
That's just not how it works. There are only certain sins that incur the penalty of excommunication, and for good reason.
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At least use Cannon 915 on her, as Fr. Z writes.

Nancy Pelosi:

And note he's not necessarily against excommunication, he just uses more restraint in the use of the term.
 
Northern Light said:
Doesn't matter really. There are plenty of other Churches that allow ordained women and same-sex marriage.
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Which is why they are not the one, true, apostolic faith.

Combined with all of the child abuse scandals and charges of corruption, this latest tale just illustrates why the church continues to hemorrhage followers.
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Because we live in an increasingly corrupted world? Yes, that is a problem.
 
phattonez said:
Oh I'm sorry, is the pope perfect? Is he above reproach?
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On matters of Church teaching, yes, he is.

Phattonez, do you even hear yourself? You really need to take this up with your parish priest.
 
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phattonez said:
At least use Cannon 915 on her, as Fr. Z writes.

Nancy Pelosi:

And note he's not necessarily against excommunication, he just uses more restraint in the use of the term.
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It's really up the the priest administering communion to make that call. I would hope that any Catholic who obstinately supports abortion would have the decency to decline to take communion in the first place.
 
phattonez said:
Which is why they are not the one, true, apostolic faith.
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Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

phattonez said:
Because we live in an increasingly corrupted world? Yes, that is a problem.
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There is plenty of evidence to demonstrate that the abuses went far back, spanning 2-3 generations.

I agree though, the Catholic Church is increasingly a corrupt institution.
 
Guy Incognito said:
On matters of Church teaching, yes, he is.

Phattonez, do you even hear yourself? You really need to take this up with your parish priest.
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From what I understand infallability is not "everything the pope says is right" it's very specific and applies to very specific instances.
 
l didnt see any verse in bible which authorizes popes to comdemn any believer for not obeying the religious rules

only god may comdemn in holy books's logic
 
RGacky3 said:
From what I understand infallability is not "everything the pope says is right" it's very specific and applies to very specific instances.
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Yes, it is limited to the very specific circumstances of Church teaching, which is what we are talking about.
 
Medusa said:
l didnt see any verse in bible which authorizes popes to comdemn any believer for not obeying the religious rules

only god may comdemn in holy books's logic
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Well, first of all, excommunication is not condemnation. Secondly, Catholics get their beliefs from both the Bible and the Holy Magisterium of the Church. The Magisterium consists of the generations of Church tradition since the time of Christ, and in fact it predates the Bible.

It isn't a great analogy, but you might think of the Bible as the Catholic analogue of the Quaran and the Holy Magisterium as the functional equivalent of the Hadith.
 
Northern Light said:
I agree though, the Catholic Church is increasingly a corrupt institution.
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Corrupt? Yes, being an institution made up of mortal men, it is impossible for it to be anything ese.

Increasingly? No.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Well, first of all, excommunication is not condemnation. Secondly, Catholics get their beliefs from both the Bible and the Holy Magisterium of the Church. The Magisterium consists of the generations of Church tradition since the time of Christ, and in fact it predates the Bible.

It isn't a great analogy, but you might think of the Bible as the Catholic analogue of the Quaran and the Holy Magisterium as the functional equivalent of the Hadith.
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hi guy :2wave:

as far as l know the church institution hadnt been established when jesus was still alive


yes l know what you mean by comparing them but l usually dont take into account what is called hadith either
 
Guy Incognito said:
Yes, it is limited to the very specific circumstances of Church teaching, which is what we are talking about.
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Calling these two things the greatest evils in this world during a media interview is not an instance of papal infallibility.
 
Medusa said:
l didnt see any verse in bible which authorizes popes to comdemn any believer for not obeying the religious rules

only god may comdemn in holy books's logic
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Excommunication is for the good of the people. It is a method to try to save their souls and amend their lvies.
 
RGacky3 said:
From what I understand infallability is not "everything the pope says is right" it's very specific and applies to very specific instances.
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Absolutely. The "infallability" means, more or less, that the elected Pope has the authority to pronounce the official position of the Church, ex cathedra.
It certainly does not mean that the individual who happens to be the Pope is somehow exempt from scrutiny, whether it comes to "ethics" or simply common sense.
 
Medusa said:
hi guy :2wave:

as far as l know the church institution hadnt been established when jesus was still alive


yes l know what you mean by comparing them but l usually dont take into account what is called hadith either
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Hi, Medusa!

We believe that Jesus personally instituted the Church when he began his ministry. Jesus even personally named Peter as the first Pope. So that is why I say that the Church and its traditions predate the Bible. Church tradition goes all the way back to the life of Christ himself.
 
phattonez said:
Calling these two things the greatest evils in this world during a media interview is not an instance of papal infallibility.
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Maybe not, but it is an instance of papal infallibility when the Holy Father tells us that the Church that the message of love and the salvific power of Christ take priority over the proclamation of rules. It is an instance of papal infallibility when he tells us to be compassionate and not to be judgmental.
 
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