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The Pope Said It Best

shagg said:
But assuming that, even though He didn't mention it, Homosexuality is a sin, is worse than ignorant.
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No, it is not an assumption. The Bible says it. Jesus' words are not the only thing in the Bible. I don't know why that is so hard for everyone here to understand.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
No, it is not an assumption. The Bible says it. Jesus' words are not the only thing in the Bible. I don't know why that is so hard for everyone here to understand.
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new or old testament?
 
my point was that followers of islam are as justified in judging you for eating pork as you are for judging non-christians for being homosexual.
 
shagg said:
my point was that followers of islam are as justified in judging you for eating pork as you are for judging non-christians for being homosexual.
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Unless, of course, Islam is false. Which it is.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Unless, of course, Islam is false. Which it is.
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so it comes down to the One True Faith. 23% of the worlds population follows Islam. By what standard can we judge which is the true faith? Why is Islam false?
 
afr0byte said:
I'd wager a muslim could come up with a similar list, quoting the Koran, as to why Christianity isn't from Allah.
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one of the ones i posted is exactly that
 
just wanted to apologize. i thought i was looking at the philosophical section and had just missed this thread somehow, i didn't realize i had clicked religious discussions by mistake.

i shall cease my heathen ranting.

Threads/posts critical of religion and spiritual aspects are not allowed here
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CriticalThought said:
Nice of you to speak on behalf of Christ given that he did not apparently even see the issue of homosexuality to be worth talking about himself.
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What do you mean? Homosexuality is in the Bible.



Apparently he must not have foreseen how much energy and resources would be expended on this topic.
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Yeah He did. That's why there is such a thing called, excommunication.

And the repeated warnings against disobedience to God.
 
Captain America said:
That, or he didn't want Judas to feel guilty about a lil' ol' kiss.

Given the history of religious organizations, has anyone wondered why 12 dudes who ate together, slept together and all love the same man, were run from town to town? Not trying to start a conspiracy. Just rubbing my chin going, "Hmmmmmm
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Who told you they actually slept together? How do you know that?

Actually, they've split up to go different directions - to cover more ground, I suppose

And since you're wondering....have you also wondered how Christianity exploded from these 12 dudes that after two thousands years or so, you're here right now on this forum wasting your time arguing about it? :lol:
Those 12 dudes that were run from town to town had spread the Word......all over the world.
 
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Captain America said:
But I do believe in live and let live. If they are nice to me I will be nice to them and let the good lord sort it all out. I would never take the arrogant approach. I like the jesus that taught me to love everyone and to not be some kind of self-righteous hypocrite. That's MY Jesus. And he said to STFU y'all. LOL!
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You say you will never take the arrogant approach - but you just did.

You say, "I like the jesus that taught me to love everyone and to not be some kind of self-righteous hypocrite. That's MY Jesus."
Ahhhhh....you want to cherry-pick His teachings to suit what you like. In other words, you're editing His teachings.
So who do you think you are to edit God? That is arrogance.

Matthew 5
The Fulfillment of the Law

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


2 Thess 2
To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.


You say, "That's my Jesus."
Key word: MY
This isn't about you. :)


You say, "And he said to STFU y'all."
No, He did not! On the contrary, He told us to spread the gospel!


Mark 16:15
And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.

Matthew 28
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
 
Captain America
I like the jesus that taught me to love everyone and to not be some kind of self-righteous hypocrite.
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You're right about this one though.....He did tell us to love everyone and not be self-righteous hypocrites and judgemental.
However, that's just part of what He taught us....


Ephesians 5-6:24

Walk in Love

5 Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. 2 And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.

3 But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not become partners with them; 8 for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light 9 (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 10 and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.


Spreading the Gospel is an act of love.
Wouldn't you warn someone if you see that he is in danger?
 
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shagg said:
so it comes down to the One True Faith. 23% of the worlds population follows Islam. By what standard can we judge which is the true faith? Why is Islam false?
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True faith is not determined by polls or popularity contest.
 
shagg said:
But assuming that homosexuality is a sin even though He didn't mention it is worse than ignorant.
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It is not merely assumption that homosexual act is a sin, but clearly stated and described in the New Testament:



Romans 1
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

1 Tim 1
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Jude 1
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
 
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