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Christians

joko104 said:
What is "blood washed?"
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Blood washed means washed in the blood of the sacrificial lamb. Before Jesus you would sacrifice a lamb and wash in the blood of the lamb, and not eat the meat. The sacrifice Jesus made provided the perfect sacrifice, the sacrifice to end all sacrifices, the blood of God was spilt. We are all washed in the blood of the Lord. "For he so loved the world he gave his only begotten son."

Some think you need to speak in tongues, convulse, or some other poorly acted charade, but in truth you are taken into God's ranks upon baptism. That is the washing, then you were bathed in the blood of the lamb (Jesus)
 
CLAX1911 said:
Blood washed means washed in the blood of the sacrificial lamb. Before Jesus you would sacrifice a lamb and wash in the blood of the lamb, and not eat the meat. The sacrifice Jesus made provided the perfect sacrifice, the sacrifice to end all sacrifices, the blood of God was spilt. We are all washed in the blood of the Lord. "For he so loved the world he gave his only begotten son."

Some think you need to speak in tongues, convulse, or some other poorly acted charade, but in truth you are taken into God's ranks upon baptism. That is the washing, then you were bathed in the blood of the lamb (Jesus)
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After I was born, no one would baptize me because my parents weren't married. Later, when my mother was dying, the Episcopalians baptized me. I was 5.........................
 
Texmex said:
How many posters here, other than myself, are blood-washed, born-again, God-loving Christians?
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I am a Christian. I Think the blood washed, God loving part is redundant. I was born in the holy spirit when I was baptized which was shortly after my birth.
 
Bonzai said:
After I was born, no one would baptize me because my parents weren't married. Later, when my mother was dying, the Episcopalians baptized me. I was 5.........................
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That is the church I have chosen, they are the only ones that open their doors to all.
 
Bonzai said:
After I was born, no one would baptize me because my parents weren't married. Later, when my mother was dying, the Episcopalians baptized me. I was 5.........................
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I have never heard of a church doing that. Did you knock at the Presbyterian church? And where did this occur?
 
Bonzai said:
After I was born, no one would baptize me because my parents weren't married. Later, when my mother was dying, the Episcopalians baptized me. I was 5.........................
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Sorry you lost your mom at such a young age. I know churches that wouldn't have done it, many of which wouldn't have done it until you were older anyway because at 5 you are considered not yet capable of being saved.

Something that I do like to taunt fundamentalist with is to tell them I baptized myself even though that is not true. The Bible makes zero reference to who can perform a baptism. Preachers will say that it is them, but really it can be anybody so far as scripture is concerned. It is the act not the performer that matters. I forget if it was Peter or Paul, but one of them wouldn't do dunkings personally presumably because they did not want to supplant Jesus in the minds and hearts of the masses.
 
Fisher said:
Sorry you lost your mom at such a young age. I know churches that wouldn't have done it, many of which wouldn't have done it until you were older anyway because at 5 you are considered not yet capable of being saved.

Something that I do like to taunt fundamentalist with is to tell them I baptized myself even though that is not true. The Bible makes zero reference to who can perform a baptism. Preachers will say that it is them, but really it can be anybody so far as scripture is concerned. It is the act not the performer that matters. I forget if it was Peter or Paul, but one of them wouldn't do dunkings personally presumably because they did not want to supplant Jesus in the minds and hearts of the masses.
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Why do you like taunting fundies or anybody else? What's in this for you?

I'm no Biblical scholar, but Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist, which indicates at least that you can't do it yourself.
 
Texmex said:
How many posters here, other than myself, are blood-washed, born-again, God-loving Christians?
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It seems to me that if some Christians spent less time attempting to "define" Christian and spent more time living a Christ like life the definitions would be obvious. But that's just my take on this type of discussion.
 
Manc Skipper said:
"Blood-washed and born again" describes a cult.
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Words such as those do not describe a cult anymore than words of another religious nature might. Blood-washed has everything in the world to do with transsubstantiation, and that is a central tenant of Christianity. Born again refers to spiritual birth. That is discussed at great length in the Bible. There is nothing "cultish" about any of that.
 
nota bene said:
Why do you like taunting fundies or anybody else? What's in this for you?

I'm no Biblical scholar, but Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist, which indicates at least that you can't do it yourself.
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Well. John the Baptist is no longer around and the Bible still does not say who can or cannot perform a Baptism. Perhaps taunting fundies is a way to remind them that they are relativists too......just never know about these things......
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I'm not necessarily trying to start a debate about these topics here, but a few of the questions that bothered me so much that I had to leave were:

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- If god were omnipotent, he has the power to destroy hell and make the punishment for sin far less severe than eternal hellfire. There is no reason that the punishment be that severe. That would be the actions of a sadistic and unforgiving god, which I simply can't believe he is. It is far more likely that hell was invented by man to coerce people into believing. Why was hell never mentioned in the old testament? You'd think that would be pretty important. The only thing that is mentioned is the Hebrew word "sheol", which has no negative connotations, just means afterlife.

The current theological thought on hell is that the only people who go there are those who choose to reject God. It is an active decision by the individual, resting entirely on their own choosing. To say that God is sadistic and unforgiving is simply not true. To be sadistic is to gain enjoyment from cruelty, nothing shows that He enjoys handing out punishment, quite the contrary, He shows that he doesn't. Unforgiving is untrue as well, He gives too many to count examples of His forgiveness. Continued acts of betrayal, conscience rejection isn't His fault. Why there isn't a hell in the OT, hmm, I believe there is but it is allegorical, I can't comment further but this is a good question which I don't have a definitive answer so therefore I will leave my comments as they are.

- Why is there no tangible evidence of any kind? The only 'evidence' we have is the bible itself. Why would god entrust such important information only to ONE person at a time? We can not verify anything that was said. Our eternal souls are hanging in the balance, and he only gives us a single book that only verifies itself?

There is tangible evidence, the Church which Jesus built with St. Peter as its cornerstone. You might know it as the Catholic Church. There isn't a single book there are numerous books that were combined to provide enough evidence for belief. The Apostolic Fathers, which every priest and bishop can show their lineage to also provide more than enough evidence in their writings as well.

- Why is the bible so insanely ambiguous? There are a dozens and dozens of sects within christianity, some with very fundamental disagreements. You'd think god would have made his intentions far more clear.

It isn't. The myriad of interpretations are what's insane, this is why Tradition along with Scripture is necessary, as it provides the correct interpretation based on apostolic succession.

- If god made me in his image and I'm rational, logical, and compassionate. Why is he not?

Why do you think you have the mental facilities to understand the Creator of all? I don't have the same mental capacity as some, some don't have mine, this isn't a testament to anyone lacking only degrees of having.

- Evolution and historical evidence does not match with the biblical timeline.

Actually biblical archeology has done a great job of proving and disproving allot of the biblical timeline. Perhaps you're asking a bit much from people in regards to scientific methods and understanding in the 1st Century and time considered BC?

- Why would god allow his own chosen people, the Jews, to be slaughtered like cattle by the millions? That's not free-will, that's just horrible.

Allot of their suffering came from their rejection of God, but another question would be why would he allow the slaughter of His own Son?
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These are some answers to the questions, maybe they answer them for you, maybe they don't, I offer them in good spirit.
 
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I had a Christian tell me once I could be cured by the laying of the hands

We are talking about a congenital heart condition here. I think I'll stick with medical science
 
gilbertc1908 said:
It seems to me that if some Christians spent less time attempting to "define" Christian and spent more time living a Christ like life the definitions would be obvious. But that's just my take on this type of discussion.
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Yes, yes.
 
I think there is some misunderstanding of the language in this thread. "Washed in the blood" and so on are conventional expressions for some denoms, and the old Protestant hymns and some contemporary songs reflect this.

As I say, I'm no Biblical scholar, but I know that one becomes a "new man" (or woman) in Christ and that one "born again" reference is John 3:3: "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
 
"Blood washed" sounds like a slogan rather than an action.
 
Rainman05 said:
I am an Orthodox Christian. Christian, plain and simple, should only imply Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant. Everything else should come with a tag "evangelical christian", "born again Christian" and called them simply "christian" is not quite right.

I am not born-again or anything.

I don't consider most evangelical cults to be actually Christian since most use the Bible as a bashing tool.
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I'm confused. I thought you had to be "born again" to be a Christian.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
 
Jerry said:
I was born right the first time.
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No, according to God, we are all born in sin and require a sin sacrifice which is acceptable to God. This sacrifice is found in the Lord Jesus Christ who shed His blood on the cross of Calvary. We are commanded to repent of our sins and trust in the finished work of Christ on the cross. This blood sacrifice is acceptable to God in our behalf.


For He hath made Him (Jesus Christ) to be Sin for us; who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Corinthians 5:21
 
Texmex said:
No, according to God, we are all born in sin and require a sin sacrifice which is acceptable to God. This sacrifice is found in the Lord Jesus Christ who shed His blood on the cross of Calvary. We are commanded to repent of our sins and trust in the finished work of Christ on the cross. This blood sacrifice is acceptable to God in our behalf.


For He hath made Him (Jesus Christ) to be Sin for us; who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Corinthians 5:21
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Sounds like the Middle Eastern version of chucking a maiden into a volcano.....................
 
The Baron said:


I'm confused. I thought you had to be "born again" to be a Christian.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
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Yes, 2000 years ago, when Jesus first came and there were no Christians around, you had to born again in the light of Christianity. But now that's not the case. Evangelical christians are not part of the main 3 denominations of Christianity (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant), which are the real Christian religions. The rest are just cults that sprung off the Catholic and Protestant branches, started by people who wanted some form of power.
 
There surely are cults out there and even more judges and juries quick to see the splinters in others' eyes while being blind to the timber in their own. The more you engage in your one-on-one relationship and focus on on opening the eyes of your own heart, the less time you have to fret about others and their beliefs and those beliefs' defects.

Whether you're sola scriptura or cross yourself or genuflect or whatever just doesn't matter. Being a Christian is about one very simple and eternal truth.

We all know who is eager to create "dissension among the brethren." It's a daily and lifelong struggle not to, but each one of us has been admonished to "Judge not."

And it's just an exercise in futility anyway. Only God knows the hearts of His children, and again, this is a one-on-one relationship. All we can do is peer through the glass and darkly even about ourselves, much less anybody else.
 
Rainman05 said:
Yes, 2000 years ago, when Jesus first came and there were no Christians around, you had to born again in the light of Christianity. But now that's not the case. Evangelical christians are not part of the main 3 denominations of Christianity (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant), which are the real Christian religions. The rest are just cults that sprung off the Catholic and Protestant branches, started by people who wanted some form of power.
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But how else can you become a Christian unless you're born again.
 
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