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1 man, 1 woman isn't the Bible's only marriage view

davidtaylorjr said:
Once again, out of context and twisting words.
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Translated: you can't rebut the plain language of the Hebrew Scriptures. I thought not. Fundies seem almost to be blinded by God about it.

From God's lips to your ears:

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

Now, gloss away. Try to make it means something else. Wish it to the cornfield. So much for your literalism.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
If that is your intent I have no real issue with it. It just some people seem to expect these things to create some groundswell of change among adherents
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We all know that's not going to happen. Indeed, the fundies seem almost blinded and cannot seem to even see the plain language of these texts.
 
head of joaquin said:
Translated: you can't rebut the plain language of the Hebrew Scriptures. I thought not. Fundies seem almost to be blinded by God about it.
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There is nothing to rebut in the Scripture, the rebut was to your interpretation of what that means.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
There is nothing to rebut in the Scripture, the rebut was to your interpretation of what that means.
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Yeah, the point is, you can't.

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

Let the glossing begin!
 
head of joaquin said:
Yeah, the point is, you can't.

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

Let the glossing begin!
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Once again, nowhere does it talk about sex-slaves as you claim.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
Once again, nowhere does it talk about sex-slaves as you claim.
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What do you think the references to virgin girls is about? Playtime at the local kindergarten?

Gen 16: Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”

Did anybody ask the slave Hagar?
 
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head of joaquin said:
We all know that's not going to happen. Indeed, the fundies seem almost blinded and cannot seem to even see the plain language of these texts.
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you would be surprised. I remember some research (though much more questionable) recently released indicated that the translation for virgins in the hadith about martyrdom was about raisins. Talking to some people about it, you would get the impression that we finally found the trump card not only to deal with islamic extremism, but those in the west who over react to it.

But yes, this thread is going the full direction I expected, though you haven't been labeled a monkey-faced demon, yet :(
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
you would be surprised. I remember some research (though much more questionable) recently released indicated that the translation for virgins in the hadith about martyrdom was about raisins. Talking to some people about it, you would get the impression that we finally found the trump card not only to deal with islamic extremism, but those in the west who over react to it.

But yes, this thread is going the full direction I expected, though you haven't been labeled a monkey-faced demon, yet :(
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Give it time -- I'm sure some denier of polygamy will get to the demon allegations soon.
 
Homer. said:
Marriage is a legal institution, not a religious one, so what the bible says doesn't really matter.
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God made laws. Didn't you know that?
 
head of joaquin said:
Rubbish.
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Rubbish? What are you, British?


head of joaquin said:
2 Samuel 12:8

8 Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul. And I gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

[Plain language: God says he would have given David even more wives if he wanted them.]
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Actually it doesn’t say he would “add more wives”. It says that in addition to all of the things I have given you I would have given you even more if you considered it too little. God was chastising David for his sin but, somehow, I think you already know that.

head of joaquin said:
Deuteronomy 17:14–20

14 “When you come to the land that the Lord your God is giving you, and you possess it and dwell in it and then say, z‘I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are around me,’ 15 you may indeed set a king over you whom the Lord your God will choose. One from among your brothers you shall set as king over you. You may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. 16 Only he must not acquire many horses for himself or cause the people to return to Egypt in order to acquire many horses, since the Lord has said to you, You shall never return that way again.’ 17 And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.

[Plain language: the king gets silver and gold and horse and multiple wives -- just not too many]
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As I stated earlier, polygamy existed. This was not God’s ideal but he does recognize that it existed. And, as you pointed out, they should not have “too many wives” so that their hearts would not turn away from God.

And that is exactly what happened to Solomon (1 Kings 11).
 
head of joaquin said:
What do you think the references to virgin girls is about? Playtime at the local kindergarten?

Gen 16: Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”

Did anybody ask the slave Hagar?
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Nope ... This wasn't God's commandent however ... This was a fallable human's idea, and it wasn't blessed by God at all.
 
head of joaquin said:
What do you think the references to virgin girls is about? Playtime at the local kindergarten?

Gen 16: Now Sarai, Abram’s wife, had borne him no children. But she had an Egyptian slave named Hagar; 2 so she said to Abram, “The Lord has kept me from having children. Go, sleep with my slave; perhaps I can build a family through her.”

Did anybody ask the slave Hagar?
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And you do realize God did not favor that correct? Also, the girls would be brought up in their culture and married later.
 
The Baron said:


Rubbish? What are you, British?




Actually it doesn’t say he would “add more wives”. It says that in addition to all of the things I have given you I would have given you even more if you considered it too little. God was chastising David for his sin but, somehow, I think you already know that.



As I stated earlier, polygamy existed. This was not God’s ideal but he does recognize that it existed. And, as you pointed out, they should not have “too many wives” so that their hearts would not turn away from God.

And that is exactly what happened to Solomon (1 Kings 11).
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The gloss. That's all the deniers have. The words always means something other than the plain meaning when they mean something the fundies can't handle -- like God saying kill all the boys and rape the virgins, or David, I'd give you more wives it would help.

That's why fundies and literalists are a joke, if not heretics.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
And you do realize God did not favor that correct? Also, the girls would be brought up in their culture and married later.
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Evidence? Are there ANY passages in which God said, Abraham, you shouldn't be keeping slave and you shouldn't be raping them? Or was God simply being coy about that?

What the fundies are reduced to is claiming that God could make it a sin to mix cotton with linen, but he couldn't bring himself to tell Israel -- "Don't take slaves; don't rape girls". He just couldn't do that, right?

What a strange view of God the fundies have.
 
head of joaquin said:
The gloss. That's all the deniers have. The words always means something other than the plain meaning when they mean something the fundies can't handle -- like God saying kill all the boys and rape the virgins, or David, I'd give you more wives it would help.
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Wow.

It never ceases to amaze me of all the hate welled-up inside of bigots. The above is a perfect example of a post where there is no room for thoughtful discussion. Only hate, vitriol, bitterness, contempt, maliciousness, viciousness and lies.

head of joaquin said:
That's why fundies and literalists are a joke, if not heretics.
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Actually, it’s pretty clear as to who the joke is.
 
The Baron said:


Wow.

It never ceases to amaze me of all the hate welled-up inside of bigots. The above is a perfect example of a post where there is no room for thoughtful discussion. Only hate, vitriol, bitterness, contempt, maliciousness, viciousness and lies.



Actually, it’s pretty clear as to who the joke is.
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Just quit engaging him. He is only interested in mocking others, not discussion.
 
The Baron said:


Wow.

It never ceases to amaze me of all the hate welled-up inside of bigots. The above is a perfect example of a post where there is no room for thoughtful discussion. Only hate, vitriol, bitterness, contempt, maliciousness, viciousness and lies.



Actually, it’s pretty clear as to who the joke is.
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Translated: you can't provide any passages in these diverse texts that support your view. Instead all you can do is engage in personal attacks. I thought so. That's a fundie for you.
 
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