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Why Do Religions Recruit ?

Knowledge=power said:
What you describe is a spirituality of sorts, which is fine. Religion as an institution is what needs to go.
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That I agree. But they rely on the non-rational part of human mind and then the relationship reciprocates sometimes with charity. The non-rational part being weeded out of human nature is what I stated that may not be as easy to be gone away.

Knowledge=power said:
Non-rational and non-philosophical directions are exactly what needs to be weeded out - religion will go with them.
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rhinefire said:
I was talking with my neighbor yesterday and she asked if I wanted to go play bingo with her. I said no and asked where is was. She said it was cat a church and I responded with humor that I am not a church guy. Well, BANG! Now it was "you're not religious"?! type questions and I said no there are too many. She said but they are all correct and I said I believe in a higher deity but I will not let another person tell me what it is. So she asks me top go to church with her! Sensing this is going to get nuts I ended it with a polite "no thanks". So the question is or maybe it's a complaint, why do religious people believe they should change non-believers, or as I like to call them people that are NOT like them? Why not just enjoy your faith and not try to coerce others in to believing like you do? Again, I am not an atheist but I believe in letting everyone just pursue something this important on their own.
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Why do some atheists try to convince others that they're wrong to believe? In my experience, there isn't anything you can attribute to the religious that the anti-religious (as opposed to simply non-religious) don't also engage in.
 
X Factor said:
Why do some atheists try to convince others that they're wrong to believe? In my experience, there isn't anything you can attribute to the religious that the anti-religious (as opposed to simply non-religious) don't also engage in.
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Some is the key word here. Some religious people try to convince non-believers that they are wrong not to believe. It goes both ways.

The only time it becomes an issue is when religion is used in politics and other areas which should be secular. Just based on it's nature (dealing with supernatural claims, etc) religion should be kept out of such areas of discourse. When the enter in these areas, people speak out.
 
Knowledge=power said:
Some is the key word here. Some religious people try to convince non-believers that they are wrong not to believe. It goes both ways.

The only time it becomes an issue is when religion is used in politics and other areas which should be secular. Just based on it's nature (dealing with supernatural claims, etc) religion should be kept out of such areas of discourse. When the enter in these areas, people speak out.
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I agree it goes both ways. That was my point. What do you advocate to keep religious people out of politics?
 
X Factor said:
I agree it goes both ways. That was my point. What do you advocate to keep religious people out of politics?
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I don't know that there is a method for doing so currently. :shrug:
 
X Factor said:
Yeah, that freedom of religion thing is a bitch, isn't it?
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Freedom of religion is great. I support it, just like every other freedom granted by this country's constitution.

However, when forming laws and policies becomes tainted by one's religious beliefs, therein lies the problem.
 
X Factor said:
Why do some atheists try to convince others that they're wrong to believe? In my experience, there isn't anything you can attribute to the religious that the anti-religious (as opposed to simply non-religious) don't also engage in.
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I've never had an atheist knock on my door trying to convince me not to believe in a god. I have had Pentecostalists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Mormon's do so however. So that's one thing atheists don't engage in that the religious do.
 
DDD said:
So true! Charity businesses too! Exempt from tax even.
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Well said. Religions are man made institutions no different than any business the sole difference is that they claim God is on their side.
 
Glowpun said:
Well said. Religions are man made institutions no different than any business the sole difference is that they claim God is on their side.
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So "man made institution" = "buisiness"?
 
afr0byte said:
No, he didn't say that.
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You're right I missread, they are man made institutions no different than buisinesses.

I thought it was more like they are man made institutions, no different than buisinesses (as if to say Thus no different than buisinesses).

But as I already said, Not all religions evangelize, and the ones that do, do so SPECIFICALLY beceause their religions texts command them to, not more no less.
 
rhinefire said:
I was talking with my neighbor yesterday and she asked if I wanted to go play bingo with her. I said no and asked where is was. She said it was cat a church and I responded with humor that I am not a church guy. Well, BANG! Now it was "you're not religious"?! type questions and I said no there are too many. She said but they are all correct and I said I believe in a higher deity but I will not let another person tell me what it is. So she asks me top go to church with her! Sensing this is going to get nuts I ended it with a polite "no thanks". So the question is or maybe it's a complaint, why do religious people believe they should change non-believers, or as I like to call them people that are NOT like them? Why not just enjoy your faith and not try to coerce others in to believing like you do? Again, I am not an atheist but I believe in letting everyone just pursue something this important on their own.
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The reason I "recruit" as you put it, is because I care for the souls of others. There is only one way to Heaven, and I don't want to see others go to Hell because I didn't tell them the truth.
 
RGacky3 said:
So "man made institution" = "buisiness"?
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He said that "religions are man made institutions no different than any business," not that a man made institution is the same as a business. I'm not arguing for one side or the other, but I thought that should be made clear.

EDIT: I noticed you corrected it. :)
 
3:30 is the most relevant part.

 
It dawns on me the opposite of recruiting is the mass murders on peoples of different religions throughout history. Killing all peoples including babies in order to eradicate the religion. I guess now maybe "recruiting" does not appear to be so bad!!
 
Because deep down inside they have fear. If you're on a boat to who knows where, wouldn't you feel better if there are more people in your boat?
 
rhinefire said:
I was talking with my neighbor yesterday and she asked if I wanted to go play bingo with her. I said no and asked where is was. She said it was cat a church and I responded with humor that I am not a church guy. Well, BANG! Now it was "you're not religious"?! type questions and I said no there are too many. She said but they are all correct and I said I believe in a higher deity but I will not let another person tell me what it is. So she asks me top go to church with her! Sensing this is going to get nuts I ended it with a polite "no thanks". So the question is or maybe it's a complaint, why do religious people believe they should change non-believers, or as I like to call them people that are NOT like them? Why not just enjoy your faith and not try to coerce others in to believing like you do? Again, I am not an atheist but I believe in letting everyone just pursue something this important on their own.
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because the more people you can convince to believe as you do, the more secure you feel in your own belief.
 
rhinefire said:
It dawns on me the opposite of recruiting is the mass murders on peoples of different religions throughout history. Killing all peoples including babies in order to eradicate the religion. I guess now maybe "recruiting" does not appear to be so bad!!
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if you look at the wars of religion, those people were not killed because they believed, but because they didn't believe the same as the killers did. often - people were given the option to recant/convert to the killers religion.
 
davidtaylorjr said:
The reason I "recruit" as you put it, is because I care for the souls of others. There is only one way to Heaven, and I don't want to see others go to Hell because I didn't tell them the truth.
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please respect my choice to go to "hell"
 
davidtaylorjr said:
You will regret that choice when you get there.
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And what about you?

The fact that you are so dead set against Jesus' actual message might not bode so well for you, either.
 
Gardener said:
And what about you?

The fact that you are so dead set against Jesus' actual message might not bode so well for you, either.
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Once again my friend, I am not against Jesus. You don't understand the Bible.
 
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